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Holy ****. I get like 19 in a good week

LILBENZ230

Those of you with the 2006-2007 M272 2.5L V6 will not be able to match the 2003-2005 M271 on fuel economy, of course.

I don't get 30s regularly, even in my 05. My driving just doesn't lend itself to that kind of MPG.

holycaoAMG

I only get 26mpg on highway.
Will i sacrafice a 6 cylinder for a 4 cylinder for ~4mpg more? Absolutely NOT.

mtnman82

At reasonable speeds (70ish) on the highway w/A/C on I get 32+ mpg. In town (small town) w/A/C off, ~6 total miles of dropping off 3 kids/3 locations before getting to work in the mornings) I average ~23 mpg. I keep it in sport mode in town (you can coast further to the stop signs). I think the manual transmissions do markedly better than us automatics. Never seen 40+ mpg on my screen though...

Speed makes a big difference too... On a recent 180+ mile trip home along a very desolate route with very good visibility (A/C on, it was 115+ degrees outside ... seriously), I have pic's w/time at one Cheveron station and then the one in town ~2 hrs later. I averaged 90 mph - got 22.5 mpg. BTW - all my mpg #'s are calculated (miles driven divided by gallons to fill up), not from the screen.

LILBENZ230

Allow me to borrow the pedestal you put the 320 on for a moment..

If said V6 is the 2.5L M272, not only will the M271 get better fuel economy but it is also the faster of the two.

That being said, I see nothing special about the M112 engine in the 320. In my 5-6 test drives of C320 cars they were far from fast or special. I had an Acura TL years back with a 260hp 3.2L V6, and the E46 M3 has a 333hp 3.2L I6. Those are impressive 6-cylinders.

The C320? Meh. Not a big difference in performance over the 230K. The C350.. now that's a different story.

benzito911

fixed

benzito911

well said my friend... i have driven all C models.. and eh... if its not an amg there is nothing big going on.

holycaoAMG

You guys sure need to read more carefully about what people write on this forum.
I never once mentioned the 3.2 m112. I CLEARLY stated '6 cylinder', and that means absolutely no I4's for me.

We clearly seem to have severe reading comprehension problems from the people above.

LILBENZ230

No one has reading comprehension problems here. I've read several of your posts knocking the I4 W203s. That aside, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a I4. Mercedes doesn't do them best.. for the best four-cylinders see Honda. The car the C230 replaced was an 07 Civic Si. It's 197hp 2.0L would run circles around either of our cars, get 33mpg on the highway, and would most likely go 250k miles without an issue.

I'm just saying.. I appreciate good engineering.

jturkel

i'm not getting involved in this 4 vs 6 debate, but i'd rock the new Civic Si. no doubt.

LILBENZ230

Mine was black/black sedan with navigation. I bought it new for $23,645. It was a blast to drive! At 28,000 miles a douchebag in a F-350 came around a blind curve on my side of the road and I swerved to miss him and landed in a ditch. It did $7,000 in damage and took 3 months to fix. I had it back 1 week and hit.. get this.. a BEAVER in the road at night and did $2,000 more damage to it. Three weeks after I got it back from that repair, I took it on vacation to the mountains. The brakes overheated about 4 times during the trip and I had had enough. It was never right after the first crash and so I ditched it at 32,000 miles for the C230. I don't regret it. The C230 feels much better.

holycaoAMG

Understood.
This is a public discussion forum, anyone can post anything they want, even if it means 'knocking the I4 w203s'. To his, their own.

With that out of the way, how does the Si perform for having front wheel drive? I might consider that as my next beater car.

LILBENZ230

While you're certainly free to post it, don't expect that I4 owners (especially ones who by all stretches had the means to purchase any W203) won't step up to defend their cars. After all, owners of the 2001 model year can hardly throw stones. Those cars are nightmares regardless of engine.

I can't speak for any Si that would be old enough to be purchased as a beater car. Mine was a 2007. Yes it is FWD, but at least it had a limited-slip differential. It was much sharper than the W203s (in stock form, at least). Much more agile, more grip. No torque but the sound at 8000rpm was intoxicating and it pulled hard at high rpms. It was also very, very solid. Brakes were good, as long as you didn't ask too much of them. Overheated easily. Very safe (can testify to that first hand!).

holycaoAMG

The facelifted w203s may have many of the bugs fixed out but what good of a car is it if the engine isnt as good as its build quality?
My friend recently had his Honda Accord not start and he said, "whats the point of a great reliable car without an engine to run it?" ...and that got me thinking.

In other words, the message im trying to give out is that the engine is the car's 'soul', its what makes the car a car. What would you rather have? I chose the more well known m112 and still have the ***** to get an 01.

According to Mercedes-Benz:
"Starting in 1995 engine experts at Ward's Automotive select The Ten Best Engines every year. The Mercedes-Benz M112 V6 has won this distinguished award four consecutive times since its introduction, in 1998, 1999, 2000 and in 2001, more often than any other Mercedes engine".


Matt- You can have the best reliable C-class ever and have an engine known to have 'nightmares' reguardless of build quality.

holycaoAMG

Your replies makes no sense.

This is the second time you have read my posts wrong and replied back with something out of the story, that clearly proves you have reading comprehension problems and you left it here on this thread for everyone to find out. [its not hard, i learned to read when i turned 3]

lilbenz- got

LILBENZ230

What's next.. that your dad can beat up mine? The plight of the W203 is that people of your maturity level can afford them. Perhaps if your posts had made any sense at all...

I read your posts in this thread and provided my opinion on the subjects at hand. That you'd never own an I4 (though you later asked about the Civic Si) and the rambling post about engines and reliability.

This is your opinion. I have no problems understanding the words you typed, I just disagree. The car couldn't get you anywhere without the engine, but it couldn't get you anywhere without the wheels either. You believe an engine makes a car. The people who buy the 128i instead of the 135i still have a 1 series. What don't YOU understand about that?

Obviously, it's "regardless", but I'm the one with reading problems. Again, as I've stated - my C230 is reliable. Unless all of your posts about the problems your C320 has had or is having are lies, you cannot say the same. The M271 has known problems, but my car does not have any of them. The 2001 C-class has known problems, you've got them (and are now selling it to become someone else's burden). So I don't see what the point of that entire post even was? No one will misread anything you say if you will stop talking about stuff in a theoretical way and start talking about actual things.

Since the M112 is a V6 - that you own - it was appropriate that I brought it up. Again, I wasn't talking about cars you might own, in theory, someday. I was talking about the car you own NOW.

holycaoAMG

Okay now, lets not get into any mess. Hope you got a chance to vent as you were typing that. LOL

What can i say? i love to start debates, especially ones where i know my facts, not just opinions.

Another thing i learned from my studies in law, assumptions will not get you anywhere, and assuming that im selling my car 'cause its trash is real BS. You dont know me, and never will, so dont be judging people by whether they are 'muture' or own MY01 w203s, everyone has seen your post of bashing about them ALL the time. You never seen me posting about people being 5'6" who lives in red neck county GA do you?
Stay out of my business

SoCalC55

Some very impressive MPGs! I'm happy when I see 17 when I go to reset the computer after I fill up

LILBENZ230

From today. A day trip to the mountains of NC and TN. 4 adults in the car, A/C on 100% of the time, all back roads and a significant amount of climbing. Still on same tank of fuel, range remaining says 85 miles.

benzito911

can we get back to great MB mpg here... stay on topic ppl.

benzito911

good stuff for those conditions

NorthernKronic

Hey guys, just got my hands on a m111 c230 with 110k for $5500. Picked it up from an older guy who took good care of it. Thanks to this site I was able to check the wiring harness for oil before I bought it, and it was clean, and drove well (not fast, but quick enough to pass anyone on the two lanes up here). Just drove it up to Michigan's Upper Peninsula a nice 7.5hr drive from Detroit.

460 miles, 32.9 mpg for the trip, made it all the way with a little less than an 1/8th of a tank to spare.. 300 miles of it were set on cruise at 75mph, and the last 160, were all set right around 60-61mph. Had the AC on for the first 300, then turned it off and hit the ec button when I put down the windows down for the last 160..

Anyway the gas mileage was great, not as good as my 00' Passat with the aftermarket 50 states illegal chip(Ive done that drive and got almost 36mpg), but that was a 1.8 with a turbo, not a 2.3 with a SC.. But im def happy with the new Benz, dont actually think it was as quick as the Passat but I guess thats just my opinion.. Thanks to you guys and this site for all the help!

benzito911

good stuff.. my car is at like 95k and still runing strong after 5 years. after a few mods you might be able to get better mpg.

NorthernKronic

As far as mods go, I was thinking about doing a SC pulley kit, ive read around on here and people say they get anywhere from 18-30 rwhp increase. But I dont know if its advisable at my milage. What are some other mods that I could do that could increase my mpg's?

LILBENZ230

This was the final result after the mountain trip. Last 60 miles were in the city, so average MPG dropped. Still pretty impressive.. I'm pleased.