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I personally like the sport coupe over the sedan. Coupe has a little more kick to it then the sedan, and I like how the coupe looks as well. Not as much space as the sedan, but still preferred
Last edited by Chitownbenzo; 10-19-2009 at 05:15 PM.
I personally like the sport coupe over the sedan. Coupe has a little more kick to it then the sedan, and I like how the coupe looks as well. Not as much space as the sedan, but still preferred
you know Marvick your headlamps are blinding as hell from that angle in your default pictures. I could only imagine how blinding it is to everyone else lol
I was on a nation-wide search for a specific model C230SS. It had to be a 2005 because I wanted the M271 1.8L supercharged 4-cyl (for the mid 30's fuel economy on the highway), plus it had to have certain options: Sunroof package (which nearly all C's in the USA come with anyway), Entertainment package (H/K system), and the lighting package (Bi-xenons with headlamp washers). Automatic also. Plus it had to have an Ash interior. As for exterior color, there was no other color I wanted other than Capri Blue. Any other color, even the close ones that look similar, but are darker (Diamond Black, Midnight Black, Obsidian Black) would not do.
Ended up finding one quite possibly as far away from me in the US as possible. I live in RI, and the one I found was in CA. It had everything I wanted, the right colors, plus it also came with Comand, which is rare in these cars. The only options it doesn't have is the full power driver's seat with memory, and the split-folding rear seats.
i'm glad you found what you wanted which is rare to get everything you want...at least u got the most useful options...i mean power drivers seat anybody can live without i don't think i've moved my seat or adjusted it ever since i first got into it. But anywayz how did you get to RI? When i was shopping around for a car I was goin for a 500 mile radius and if i found the one i want I would buy it and plan to fly out there and do a nice road trip back with it. But i found one a lot closer to me
After we sealed the deal between the MB dealership (Autobahn Motors in Belmont, CA), I searched endlessly for a car carrier/transportation service. Found a company called DAS (Dependable Auto Shippers), which happens to be eBay's preferred car carrier service. They ranked pretty high and surveys/reviews were pretty good. But like all reviews, this one had its' share of nightmare problems (vehicle damage, etc).
Reading all the negative reviews (for all car carrier companies as a whole), made this whole event a nail biter for me. What was cool about DAS was that you could track the car online. You could see where the car carrier was going (on a google maps type map) and the route it was taking. It was frequently updated, telling you what city it was in. It was updated enough that I could tell the driver was doing most of the driving at night, resting during the day. That was really cool to see.
In the end, my car arrived safe and sound with no issues whatsoever. I think it took about 10-12 days. Ended up costing me about $800, which was a pretty good deal. They had some deals going on, plus a special where I could have it top-loaded (less road debris, less moving the car to get at other cars, and no risk of oil/fluids dripping from a car above you) for $50 extra (regularly $200 extra), bringing my total to the $800 price.
I also saved money by doing it from drop off location to drop off location instead of door-to-door. Door-to-door would cost an extra $250. I was able to get my sales guy to drive the car about 12 miles away to the drop off location in San Lorenzo, and then I ended up picking up my car at the closest drop off location near me, which was about 50 minutes away from me in Woburn, MA. Worked out great.
I test drove many '06 V6 and many more '05 Kompressor C230s. Hands down, I liked the motor and instant punch of the Kompressor model. The V-6 felt weak and tame, and the transmission tried to engine brake if you got of the accelerator quickly. Just didn't like it. Overall, the V6 felt smoother and quiter. But the sub 30 mpg was a deal breaker as well. Not to mention every '06 I found cost more, sometimes $5k more than a similar milieage and optioned '06.
For the exact same price, miles, condition, and options, I would still get the one with the supercharger since the V6 will never be able to get the mileage of the I4.
I drove both and compared their specs because I was wondering why the 06 I looked at didn't say Komp. The V6 I liked because even though the 230K has 10 more ft lb of tq it comes in alot higher at 3500Rpms then the 2700 of the 230 V6(and its all avalible till 5000 rpms the Komp only til 4000 so for a measly 500rpm) and the V6 had more HP. I honestly don't know how people say the komp had more tq in the low end when it maxes later and falls quicker, and from what charts I can see until you hit the tq peak on the 230k they have the same tq climb as the 6. Not to mention the komp isnt very smooth and the tq curve is not as flat or held as long.I also like that the V6 had a timing chain and DOHC with intake and exaust programs VS the I4 with a belt and only intake timing, and also lacks the dual runner intake.
Also was told many times the M272 where amazing like mentioned and that all the kinks where worked out in 06 07 models, meaning one without the SC.
I like the whine of an SC but the 6 sounds very good with the light exhaust not it has to me. I picked the 230 V6 I wanted dependable after hearing of MBs track record of recent, and also wanted a smoother engine with more consistent tq curve.
Last edited by AdidasC230; 10-29-2009 at 08:28 AM.
I drove both and compared their specs because I was wondering why the 06 I looked at didn't say Komp. The V6 I liked because even though the 230K has 10 more ft lb of tq it comes in alot higher at 3500Rpms then the 2700 of the 230 V6(and its all avalible till 5000 rpms the Komp only til 4000 so for a measly 500rpm) and the V6 had more HP. I honestly don't know how people say the komp had more tq in the low end when it maxes later and falls quicker, and from what charts I can see until you hit the tq peak on the 230k they have the same tq climb as the 6. Not to mention the komp isnt very smooth and the tq curve is not as flat or held as long.I also like that the V6 had a timing chain and DOHC with intake and exaust programs VS the I4 with a belt and only intake timing, and also lacks the dual runner intake.
Also was told many times the M272 where amazing like mentioned and that all the kinks where worked out in 06 07 models, meaning one without the SC.
I like the whine of an SC but the 6 sounds very good with the light exhaust not it has to me. I picked the 230 V6 I wanted dependable after hearing of MBs track record of recent, and also wanted a smoother engine with more consistent tq curve.
You're talking out your ****. Honestly, where do you get your information? The peak torque figures are one thing, the amount of torque under the peak are different. The Kompressor models have more torque. This manifests in the fact that the Kompressor models are quicker.
Also, the M271 1.8L S/C runs a timing chain, not a belt - and is also DOHC. From everything I can find, it has intake AND exhaust timing, as well.
The 2005+ models, I4 or V6, are solid and have all bugs worked out.
You're talking out your ****. Honestly, where do you get your information? The peak torque figures are one thing, the amount of torque under the peak are different. The Kompressor models have more torque. This manifests in the fact that the Kompressor models are quicker.
Also, the M271 1.8L S/C runs a timing chain, not a belt - and is also DOHC. From everything I can find, it has intake AND exhaust timing, as well.
The 2005+ models, I4 or V6, are solid and have all bugs worked out.
Clearly states the 2005 230K has only intake timing and NO exhaust timing. I also got the info about the belt off of MSN, their info must be incorrect, my bad. Oddly enough the older models of the C230k state intake and exhaust timing, just not 05 and since thats what where talking about thats what I posted.
The tq maps I looked at where off of dragtimes.com.
Also all the tq figures are straight from MB, also you only have more tq for 500rpms it then drops below the M272 for the rest of the range(based on dyno maps on dragtimes which may or may not be right), 2.5L M272s have all their tq for almost 2500rpms regardless. I also wonder how through in an auto you can feel the difference between cars with a mere 10tq difference and a totally different tranny mounted to each of them. 6 speed you MIGHT and I say MIGHT feel a difference but I have modded many a car and 10tq I have never "felt" while driving it.
I check facts before I post them, sorry drag times must not have good maps of tq bands until you can prove otherwise that the 230k does hold more tq then the m272 after peak and before, I stand by my statement, and MSN doesn't have their **** straight.
Last edited by AdidasC230; 10-30-2009 at 10:47 PM.
Clearly states the 2005 230K has only intake timing and NO exhaust timing. I also got the info about the belt off of MSN, their info must be incorrect, my bad. Oddly enough the older models of the C230k state intake and exhaust timing, just not 05 and since thats what where talking about thats what I posted.
The tq maps I looked at where off of dragtimes.com.
Also all the tq figures are straight from MB, also you only have more tq for 500rpms it then drops below the M272 for the rest of the range(based on dyno maps on dragtimes which may or may not be right), 2.5L M272s have all their tq for almost 2500rpms regardless. I also wonder how through in an auto you can feel the difference between cars with a mere 10tq difference and a totally different tranny mounted to each of them. 6 speed you MIGHT and I say MIGHT feel a difference but I have modded many a car and 10tq I have never "felt" while driving it.
I check facts before I post them, sorry drag times must not have good maps of tq bands until you can prove otherwise that the 230k does hold more tq then the m272 after peak and before, I stand by my statement, and MSN doesn't have their **** straight.
The M271 engine (not specific to C-class)- from everything I have EVER read - has variable timing on both intake and exhaust. I see what you're saying on the MB site.. but it also lists redline as 0rpm and bore as 0 inches. Information is possibly missing or incomplete.
However, if you're going to cite the CPO site as a source then you should also note Mercedes performance figures. That is the 6MT 2005 model is .8 seconds quicker than the 6MT 2006 and when both are automatic the difference is a full second.
The 2005s are also about 200lbs lighter than the 2006s.
I've not looked at dyno charts because I can't find them. But it sounds to me like the M271 creates more torque under the peak and we know it creates 11lb-ft more at peak than the M272. This combined with its lighter weight makes the 2005 the quicker car. If we're using MB's site, that means my automatic 2005 is half a second quicker than your 2006 6MT.. think about all the modding people to do to shave half a second off their times.
2005 city/highway: 24/32
2006 city/highway: 21/30
M271 wins. Sorry. The M271 added a bit of maturity to the C-class over the M111, which was rougher around the edges but quicker still. The M272 was another step towards maturity and it gave up performance in the process. It's a great engine, but don't kid yourself - the 2002 C230 was a better performer than the 2005 and the 2005 better than the 2006.
The M271 engine (not specific to C-class)- from everything I have EVER read - has variable timing on both intake and exhaust. I see what you're saying on the MB site.. but it also lists redline as 0rpm and bore as 0 inches. Information is possibly missing or incomplete.
However, if you're going to cite the CPO site as a source then you should also note Mercedes performance figures. That is the 6MT 2005 model is .8 seconds quicker than the 6MT 2006 and when both are automatic the difference is a full second.
The 2005s are also about 200lbs lighter than the 2006s.
I've not looked at dyno charts because I can't find them. But it sounds to me like the M271 creates more torque under the peak and we know it creates 11lb-ft more at peak than the M272. This combined with its lighter weight makes the 2005 the quicker car. If we're using MB's site, that means my automatic 2005 is half a second quicker than your 2006 6MT.. think about all the modding people to do to shave half a second off their times.
2005 city/highway: 24/32
2006 city/highway: 21/30
M271 wins. Sorry. The M271 added a bit of maturity to the C-class over the M111, which was rougher around the edges but quicker still. The M272 was another step towards maturity and it gave up performance in the process. It's a great engine, but don't kid yourself - the 2002 C230 was a better performer than the 2005 and the 2005 better than the 2006.
Oh I never argued that the M272 was faster, just that it has a wayyyy different tq band. I know its slower, like you said MBs own site says so. Where the hell did the 200lbs come from, I mean what did they change besides the engine that porked this thing out? Im kind of suprised MB would make the car slower and then add the 7 speed to try to comensate. O well auto 06+C230 must be a fun sucker.
I love the 05 S/Cs I just hate that the tq peak isn't a big flat plateau (im used to driving a Volvo S40 T5 which tq looks like this --------------- flat and long as pavement. I wish MB was more competitive being their base model gets raped by every one, but we didn't buy these cars because there boy racer mobiles like people with 3s do.
Last edited by AdidasC230; 10-31-2009 at 07:13 AM.
The M271 engine (not specific to C-class)- from everything I have EVER read - has variable timing on both intake and exhaust. I see what you're saying on the MB site.. but it also lists redline as 0rpm and bore as 0 inches. Information is possibly missing or incomplete.
However, if you're going to cite the CPO site as a source then you should also note Mercedes performance figures. That is the 6MT 2005 model is .8 seconds quicker than the 6MT 2006 and when both are automatic the difference is a full second.
The 2005s are also about 200lbs lighter than the 2006s.
I've not looked at dyno charts because I can't find them. But it sounds to me like the M271 creates more torque under the peak and we know it creates 11lb-ft more at peak than the M272. This combined with its lighter weight makes the 2005 the quicker car. If we're using MB's site, that means my automatic 2005 is half a second quicker than your 2006 6MT.. think about all the modding people to do to shave half a second off their times.
2005 city/highway: 24/32
2006 city/highway: 21/30
M271 wins. Sorry. The M271 added a bit of maturity to the C-class over the M111, which was rougher around the edges but quicker still. The M272 was another step towards maturity and it gave up performance in the process. It's a great engine, but don't kid yourself - the 2002 C230 was a better performer than the 2005 and the 2005 better than the 2006.
If u guys have to do it over again what color would u go with? White, black or silver?
It goes with the type you chose a think, and even You could add to your options the red, cause is a more sporty color so to speak in case you decide for the Kompressor. As I see the black doesn't go well with MB trim lines, I don't why.
10-19-2009, 05:12 PM
