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Adam Opel Russelsheim is lucky to get out of the GM conglomerate.
I'd buy any car I'd like to buy. That said, the new Lacrosse is a beautiful vehicle. So is the Taurus SHO, Ford Flex, Ford F150, Cadillac CTS, Corvette. With of course the obligatory Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati for good measure.
Not to start anything but personally when I saw the new Lacrosse I got a bit upset, they stole rear tailights from the Lexus LS and even a bit of the 5 Series shape and copied the LS's bumper/exhaust layover. Nothing innovative about that. Just putting in my reply, I respect your views, to each their own.
What a nightmare. And the early 2000s were not a good time for Benz in general.And have you seen VW?

The new Taurus is an improvement over the last Taurus. That said, in SEL trim it gets spanked by an Accord V6 (which happens to also be cheaper). In SHO form, it gets spanked by a G37 (also, cheaper). It's a joke.
The Best of Mercedes & AMG
German= Road handling and rarity factor...not so good fuel economy unless you get a diesel and parts and labor are
.American= Owned bunches and never had problems with any. Resale sucks. They dont look good either. Except for the Viper and Vette.
other: I would like to have a Lambo

Or VW - I think VW owns audi right?
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Porsche AG now has majority ownership of VAG which owns VW, Audi, Lamborghini, SEAT, Skoda, Bentley, and Bugatti.
Porsche AG now has majority ownership of VAG which owns VW, Audi, Lamborghini, SEAT, Skoda, Bentley, and Bugatti.
Porsche makes more money as a hedge fund then they do making cars anyways.
The ownership of the company does make a difference. For example one of the reasons lambo quality has improved because the car is engineered by audi while lambo still does the basic styling.
Porsche makes more money as a hedge fund then they do making cars anyways.
The ownership of the company does make a difference. For example one of the reasons lambo quality has improved because the car is engineered by audi while lambo still does the basic styling.
it makes a difference in quality and engineering because they have much more resources to work with. This is also because prior to the change of ownership Lamborghini was really a dying supercar brand and they wanted to once again able to compete with Ferrari. BUT It doesn't make them German.
It's like calling Holden or Opel or SAAB "American" just because they're owned by GM. OR calling Jaguar "Indian" because they're now owned by some Indian company that has money. OR Rolls Royce "German" because BMW owns it.
it's funny and sad how the Axis of power all makes better automobiles some 60 years later than the Allies.
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- real crap. That's why the rest of the world buy Toyota utes & Benz, MAN, Scania, Volvo & the likes in the big ranges. They don't buy Ford F Series.Mercedes Benz is the largest real truck builder in the world - I wonder why? - They have not concentrated on the throw away American market. It makes no sense for them & they battle to keep up with their order book. Car manufacture is virtually a sideline for Benz.
I guess I am lucky that my 2001 C240 hasn't had as many problems as other's on this forum. This car definitely makes me feel safer than the other 2 above.
A previous American car I owned was a 1981 Buick Regal, bought new by my parents, that I traded in for the 2001 C240 after almost 20 years of service. This car did have assembly problems. I realize 1981 was a bad year for GM quality, but the car still lasted 20 years with a lot of repairs I admit.
I've owned several American cars. Mostly not very good cars. The last 3 were SUV-ish, including my current Jeep Wrangler. Fine for off-road, and if you roll it, just tip it back on its wheels and drive home. Total it, not much loss. They are "throw away" for the most part.
I've owned several European cars, including German, Swedish, French, Italian, and maybe something else. Generally not bad cars, but be careful. The Italian cars seem to need a lot of maintenance, and at least one German car had very weak suspension mount points (bounce off a curb and the car might be totaled!).
I've owned 4 Hondas, but no other Japanese cars. These were interesting. The high end ones (2 of them) were excellent. The low end (the other two) were POS. The first one I bought got wrecked 4 times, and was ready for more. Solid, reliable. But some of the others couldn't wait to be sold.
Since I keep 3 cars in the garage, I try to keep a variety. Now one is German, one Swedish, and one American. Next to trade might just be the American!
After reading this thread, i actually took the time to appreciate what Honda has really done for me in the past; great reliability and the down right designation for everyday use that German cars, or any car manufacture for that matter, cannot match.
I agree, German cars give off the personality, feel, handling, comfort, and that makes ALL the difference.
As for American cars?...

German - I've always liked BMW and Mercedes. I'm glad I finally got to own one. Not a fan of any VW at all though.
American - I'm a big GM guy. I like Ford a little bit and I do agree they're getting better. I just cannot get my head around why anyone likes Chrysler though. Some exterior designs are good (300 and Challenger), but every car they make has the same crappy interior (300, Charger, Magnum, Challenger, etc.). GM has been doing things right for much longer than people give them credit for, but the management just ran so many things into the ground.
This is the point I always make about this stuff. Domestics may now be able to honestly advertise reliability that is on par with the Japanese. But, for myself and lots of others on this board, it takes more that JUST reliability to make a car make sense. It has to be a combination of things and domestic car companies cannot seem to get the right combination.
Ford/Chevy/Chrysler might can say their cars are screwed together just as tightly as the likes of Honda/Toyota/Nissan. What they can't say is that the materials that are screwed together look/feel as good - cause they never do.
I own C63 and Express. I have this Express for 6 years but no problem at all. Its a great car.
In Japan US cars are really popular amoung young guys. Everyone do what we call in Japan "US Tune up".
If I rank it German , US, Japan.
US has great cars I think.
We just need someone from germany to post about there feelings about german cars.
Ford is the only remaining marginally profitable concern amongst the former Big Three.
Our President saw fit to dismiss the privately-held GM CEO while granting a substantial portion of its ownership to the UAW. Chrysler, whose financing is controlled by the private equity firm Cerberus, has also pleaded for – and received - massive taxpayer subsidies in order to even make good their payroll. The government’s largess has temporarily forestalled several ‘too big to fail’ businesses from going **** up. Never mind their contracted suppliers who they’ve stiffed through various bankruptcy machinations. It’s a tough time to be in the automotive retailing business.
Have naïvely been surprised to witness the relatively large number of Mercedes-Benz commercial vehicles while visiting the fatherland. They absolutely own the heavy duty truck and for-hire market share there. Hard for some Yanks to fathom given their minimal penetration here. Their Sprinter is of no use to splinter. Until they certify and import a decent tradesman lumber wagon to these shores, my lowly GMCs will have to continue to paying for themselves.
Damn thankful to be able to jump behind the steering wheel of an antiquated - albeit suitably modified - AMG during the weekend though.





