How much would you pay for HID?
03-15-2003, 01:11 PM
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How much would you pay for HID?
I've contacted the admins to see about advertising on this forum, 4 days ago, so I'm going to post this and hope it catches their eye and I can begin vendor discussions, but in the meantime:
How many of you MEMBERS would be interested in HID for $400 shipped?
It's a very high quality kit that I just installed for the first time in a Mercedes 2 days ago (a CL500 2003) and it looked great! It fits ALL Mercedes models. It does, on some, require a computer flash that can only be done at the deal (AFAIK) to prevent some strange things from happening:
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...threadid=32951
Here are the pictures from that install. For more info on this really high quality Matsu****a Ballast and Igniter and GE bulb 4500K, visit my site www.umnitza.com
How many of you MEMBERS would be interested in HID for $400 shipped?
It's a very high quality kit that I just installed for the first time in a Mercedes 2 days ago (a CL500 2003) and it looked great! It fits ALL Mercedes models. It does, on some, require a computer flash that can only be done at the deal (AFAIK) to prevent some strange things from happening:
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...threadid=32951
Here are the pictures from that install. For more info on this really high quality Matsu****a Ballast and Igniter and GE bulb 4500K, visit my site www.umnitza.com
03-15-2003, 01:14 PM
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The KIT Looks great...But The Bulbs Wont Work Well with the NON Xeon lens and Reflector...Factory Xeon Is The Way to go...Euro Xeon is Even better!
03-16-2003, 05:12 AM
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Umnitza,
I am familiar with Catz HID, they are good quality. I have a few questions for you please:
1. Will you ship overseas (Singapore)?
2. Can you do $400 including shipping & insurance to Singapore?
3. Are the price different if I am interested in the 5000K (Rising White) set?
Please let me know, thank you.
-Hendry
I am familiar with Catz HID, they are good quality. I have a few questions for you please:
1. Will you ship overseas (Singapore)?
2. Can you do $400 including shipping & insurance to Singapore?
3. Are the price different if I am interested in the 5000K (Rising White) set?
Please let me know, thank you.
-Hendry
03-23-2003, 03:28 AM
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I did not check this thread for some reason I didn't get notified.
The common misconception that is pervasive throughout the Xenon/HID discussions is that the light scatter is "unbearable", just get projectors from the factory, just do this, just do that.
Here are the facts.
Yes, there is more light scatter than with normal projectors.
NO, this is not significant and YES it provides an incredible amount more light and it's STILL pointed int he correct direction with MINIMAL scatter.
I've seen this on the Mercedes that I installed and I've seen it on the E46 without projectors (BMW 3-series).
So, there you go
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The common misconception that is pervasive throughout the Xenon/HID discussions is that the light scatter is "unbearable", just get projectors from the factory, just do this, just do that.
Here are the facts.
Yes, there is more light scatter than with normal projectors.
NO, this is not significant and YES it provides an incredible amount more light and it's STILL pointed int he correct direction with MINIMAL scatter.
I've seen this on the Mercedes that I installed and I've seen it on the E46 without projectors (BMW 3-series).
So, there you go
hleo - I responded:
03-23-2003, 04:39 AM
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hallelujah we have light
Now, yours are bluer because of the marketing term "Stage II"
That basically implies that you have 6000K = which is less actual light on the road than 4500K.
Those pics are GREAT though!
Now, yours are bluer because of the marketing term "Stage II"
That basically implies that you have 6000K = which is less actual light on the road than 4500K.
Those pics are GREAT though!
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03-23-2003, 12:55 PM
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Can you install the kit in the fog lights? I'm a little confused w/the way these kits install....Thanks!
03-23-2003, 01:13 PM
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Yes, they can be
Though why? I don't know.
The normal low beam is significant already.
No one will go "blind" it's just like aiming your standard halogen lights:p
Though why? I don't know.
The normal low beam is significant already.
No one will go "blind" it's just like aiming your standard halogen lights:p
03-23-2003, 05:20 PM
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OH wow.... that's a huge difference... but how many people are you going to blind with those new HID's... haha
OH wow.... that's a huge difference... but how many people are you going to blind with those new HID's... haha
03-23-2003, 06:45 PM
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I don't think I have blind anybody at this point yet... becasue I haven't receive any high beams from the oppsite cars...
I don't think I have blind anybody at this point yet... becasue I haven't receive any high beams from the oppsite cars...
03-23-2003, 07:01 PM
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so, I've been in "light" contact with the proprietors of this site.
I'll be calling them on Monday.
In the meantime, let's get a good group of folks together for these.
They are remarkably easy to install and require a visit to the dealer (usually free, if you talk to the right guy) for a 10 minute flash of the computer.
And, @ 400, they are significantly more inexpensive and potentially better quality than OEM.
I'll be calling them on Monday.
In the meantime, let's get a good group of folks together for these.
They are remarkably easy to install and require a visit to the dealer (usually free, if you talk to the right guy) for a 10 minute flash of the computer.
And, @ 400, they are significantly more inexpensive and potentially better quality than OEM.
03-26-2003, 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by Lynn
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sounds like an expert opinion.
How about a picture - we are comparing OEM Bi-Xenon and Xenon applications for the BMW:
Click this for a video of the above picture
03-26-2003, 02:07 PM
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Umnitza...nice pics and nice price too. Don't mind the negativity around here as a few MB owners believe if u dont shell out a grand for an HID kit it's crap. I think your presentation and approach is very good and I think you will get more business once the forum admins approve (as i can understand some ppl's fear of getting ripped off). Good luck to you and if my w203 isnt under lease and if we didnt have such wussy dealers in Houston, TX i'd get this kit 
03-26-2003, 02:20 PM
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Thank you.
Now if only they'd return my calls Many VMs, no returns.
I agree, the price seems kind of low, but in reality this kit sells for $550 everywhere.
I'm doing an introductory special for y'all
Now if only they'd return my calls
Many VMs, no returns.I agree, the price seems kind of low, but in reality this kit sells for $550 everywhere.
I'm doing an introductory special for y'all
03-26-2003, 04:36 PM
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There is no damn way that some half assed kit assembled by some shade tree mechanic is ever going to have better quality than an OEM piece. Most of the uproar over HID's is due to poorly designed, poorly made and poorly installed aftermarket conversions.
There are some kits that are acceptable in their performance, but most are not. And none of them can come close to the OEM lights in terms of quality. If they could, these kits would be OEM. Mercedes, like any other business, will take the cheapest acceptable alternative.
No, I an not an expert, but Daniel Stern is. I suggest you go to his site and learn about aftermarket HID's.
There are some kits that are acceptable in their performance, but most are not. And none of them can come close to the OEM lights in terms of quality. If they could, these kits would be OEM. Mercedes, like any other business, will take the cheapest acceptable alternative.
No, I an not an expert, but Daniel Stern is. I suggest you go to his site and learn about aftermarket HID's.
03-26-2003, 04:43 PM
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Lynn,
Tell you what, I'll humor you with a reply.
I can't reveal the brand. But I assure you it's not assembled by YOUR mechanic.
Here are the specs:
Molded base for proper focal point
Features and Benefits:
Excellent lamp wattage regulation over wide range of input voltage: 9 to 16VDC
Quick starting in both cold and hot restrike conditions
Extremely fast “run-up” of lamp output:
Cold start: 60% output in (4) seconds
Hot restrike: 50% output in (1) second
Safety Shutdown Feature: Shuts-off within (1) second if no start or if output is shorted
Excellent humidity resistance-fully potted
Superior solid state ignitor design
Small size / lightweight
Corona-free lamp socket design
Made in Japan
Specifications:
Lamps 35 Watt D2R or D2S
Nominal Input Voltage 14.0 VDC (12V battery)
Input Voltage Range 9.0 to 16.0 VDC
Input Power (steady state) <46W
Input Current (steady state) 6A @ 9V; <4A @ 14V
Input Current (starting) <20 A
Output power 35± 2W
Lamp Frequency 250 Hz Square Wave
Ignition Pulse Voltage Nominal 22KV
Safety Shutdown: No start Yes (<1 sec.)
Low Input Voltage Yes (<6 VDC)
Minimum Start Temperature –30°C / 22°F
Maximum Case Temperature +85°C / 185°F
Maximum distance from power supply to inverter 2.5 m (8 feet)
Maximum lead resistance 50 milliohms (including wire and terminals)
REQUIREMENTS: External fuse/breaker 20 A
But, you know, it's definitely made by a "mechanic" - I'm pretty sure this mechanic has a Ph.D
Tell you what, I'll humor you with a reply.
I can't reveal the brand. But I assure you it's not assembled by YOUR mechanic.
Here are the specs:
Molded base for proper focal point
Features and Benefits:
Excellent lamp wattage regulation over wide range of input voltage: 9 to 16VDC
Quick starting in both cold and hot restrike conditions
Extremely fast “run-up” of lamp output:
Cold start: 60% output in (4) seconds
Hot restrike: 50% output in (1) second
Safety Shutdown Feature: Shuts-off within (1) second if no start or if output is shorted
Excellent humidity resistance-fully potted
Superior solid state ignitor design
Small size / lightweight
Corona-free lamp socket design
Made in Japan
Specifications:
Lamps 35 Watt D2R or D2S
Nominal Input Voltage 14.0 VDC (12V battery)
Input Voltage Range 9.0 to 16.0 VDC
Input Power (steady state) <46W
Input Current (steady state) 6A @ 9V; <4A @ 14V
Input Current (starting) <20 A
Output power 35± 2W
Lamp Frequency 250 Hz Square Wave
Ignition Pulse Voltage Nominal 22KV
Safety Shutdown: No start Yes (<1 sec.)
Low Input Voltage Yes (<6 VDC)
Minimum Start Temperature –30°C / 22°F
Maximum Case Temperature +85°C / 185°F
Maximum distance from power supply to inverter 2.5 m (8 feet)
Maximum lead resistance 50 milliohms (including wire and terminals)
REQUIREMENTS: External fuse/breaker 20 A
The XXXX HID kits are a series circuit design. The igniter and ballast manufacturer (Matsu****a) developed an interesting series of film capacitors to deal increased current draw. EPCOS developed the MKT, MFT, and MKN capacitors for advanced automotive lighting. The initial start-up is the most current consuming aspect of the HID conversion. Upon ignition, the system should draw less that 15 amps. When the igniter shuts off, usually 3-5 seconds after ignition, the ballast provides a secondary voltage to sustain the arc. The headlight circuit should be protected by a fuse or circuit breaker with at least a 15 amp current rating provided that the fuse or breaker only protects the headlight circuit. If the fuse or breaker protects another circuit, such as foglights or instrument lights for instance, the fuse rating may be required to be a little higher.
We have found that the current draw that is associated with igniter start-up does not seem to have a long term effect on associated headlight wiring or circuitry. We actually see more customers that have issues with high wattage halogen replacement bulbs as they draw their usable current at all times while they are in use.
We have found that the current draw that is associated with igniter start-up does not seem to have a long term effect on associated headlight wiring or circuitry. We actually see more customers that have issues with high wattage halogen replacement bulbs as they draw their usable current at all times while they are in use.
03-26-2003, 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by Lynn
There is no damn way that some half assed kit assembled by some shade tree mechanic is ever going to have better quality than an OEM piece. Most of the uproar over HID's is due to poorly designed, poorly made and poorly installed aftermarket conversions.
There are some kits that are acceptable in their performance, but most are not. And none of them can come close to the OEM lights in terms of quality. If they could, these kits would be OEM. Mercedes, like any other business, will take the cheapest acceptable alternative.
No, I an not an expert, but Daniel Stern is. I suggest you go to his site and learn about aftermarket HID's.
There is no damn way that some half assed kit assembled by some shade tree mechanic is ever going to have better quality than an OEM piece. Most of the uproar over HID's is due to poorly designed, poorly made and poorly installed aftermarket conversions.
There are some kits that are acceptable in their performance, but most are not. And none of them can come close to the OEM lights in terms of quality. If they could, these kits would be OEM. Mercedes, like any other business, will take the cheapest acceptable alternative.
No, I an not an expert, but Daniel Stern is. I suggest you go to his site and learn about aftermarket HID's.
lets keep our minds open and hope no one get ripped off (kidding.....but not really)
03-26-2003, 05:09 PM
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wasnt someone selling Hella Ballast and bulbs for 350?
I have a kit with philips ballast and 4300k bulbs and they work fine. Many of the coupe owners have other HID kits, and they all work.
The question is how long will the ballast work for. I assume most of the name brand ones will be fine.
~fk
I have a kit with philips ballast and 4300k bulbs and they work fine. Many of the coupe owners have other HID kits, and they all work.
The question is how long will the ballast work for. I assume most of the name brand ones will be fine.
~fk
03-26-2003, 05:21 PM
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Well, I wouldn't have posted this if I hadn't gone through it on a CLK 500 already.
The light output, by my customer's account, is nothing short of amazing and consistent.
Course, he's only had it for 1 month now. But I've also installed this kit in my car, my wife's car (E38) and 4 other friend's cars.
All easy installs, all the same kit just different molded bases.
The light output, by my customer's account, is nothing short of amazing and consistent.
Course, he's only had it for 1 month now. But I've also installed this kit in my car, my wife's car (E38) and 4 other friend's cars.
All easy installs, all the same kit just different molded bases.
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