SL55Kompressor

From Revvinghigh.co

New Mercedes engines
"C200 cgi: 170HP/250 Nm (Stratified Charged Gasoline injection). C180 compressor: 143HP/220Nm 0-100km/h 9.7s(1.3s faster than old version) max speed 222km/h (12km/h faster). C230 compressor: 192HP/260 Nm." (AutoUniversum.de)

SL55Kompressor

just out of curiosity is this (the C200 CGI) the same as the current 200 CDI. if so that means it went from bout 120hp to 170hp which would be incredible

Bos

Based on the definition of CGI you mention above I wouldn't think so, since the CDI engine is the diesel.

brsc32

Volvo (Mitsubishi) uses a CGI engine in the S/V40 (Carisma).

A CGI engine injects the fuel directly into the combustion chamber (like a diesel) as opposed to spraying it into the intake manifold. There is supposed to be an increase in fuel economy, power and better emissions, except for NOx. As a result they require a different catalytic converter.

The injection takes place in two steps, the first injection taking place during the intake stroke to cool the intake charge and the second taking place during the end of the compression stroke. The Mitsu engine runs a compression of about 12.5:1 they prevent ‘knocking’ by the use of the first or pre-injection which cools the intake charge enough to prevent pre-ignition.

Additionally the intake ports (in the Mitsu) come straight in from the top of the cylinder head instead of the side and there is no throttle body. The engine speed is controlled by changing the amount of fuel only.

cjileong

SL55-
To the best of my understanding, the CGI is the direct-injection gasoline engine which M-B will be releasing sometime in the next two years. The CDI will continue to be the Common-Rail Diesel Injection engines.

vadim

Waaaay off on this one. Although S40 and Carisma are based on the same platform, they are essentially different cars, and their engines are totally different. The S40's one is a genuine Volvo engine, based on their infamous 5-cyl "white" engine (used in 850, x70, S60) with one cylinder chopped off. (S80 uses the 6-cyl version of the same engine).

Mike T.

How does the fuel economy of the GDI compare? That's been Mercedes' weakest link with the engines for some time now.

What is your source?

brsc32

Vadim-

My mistake, at least in the US. The US only gets the 1.9l T. They were planning to use the 1.8l(Mitsu) DI engine for the UK in 1998.

BTW, isn't the I-5 a Porsche design? I owned a yellow T-5R and '01 S60T-5 both had the I-5 and were great cars. Not like my C32 but still surprised a few people. IMHO, too much power for FWD.

vadim

Yes, AFAIK, the 5-cyl was designed by Porsche. I also have an S70 GLT (2.4T) - great engine! Too bad those T-5s are FWD

Sorry, I didn't know of Vo-vo's plans to use the Mitsu's engine...

brsc32

Hey Vadim-

I saw the '02 AWD version of the S60 at the International Auto Show but it was the low pressure turbo. There are still rumors about the S60R which should be about 300BHP and AWD! Nothing official.

My T-5R had the IPD chip and the S60 had IPD exhaust, nice sound a little more umph.

Ransom

At least in Germany, the Mitsubishi-GDI-engine is offered in the Volvo S/V40 since a few years.

This is the current engine program:
*1.6 - 109hp
*1.8 - 122hp
*1.8i - 125hp (GDI)
*2.0 - 136hp
*2.0T - 163hp
*T4 - 200hp
*1.9D - 102hp
*1.9D - 115hp

Both diesel engines come from Renault and have the common rail system. The GDI comes from Mitsubishi, but all the other engines have been developed by Volvo engineers themselves. These 4-cyl. engines have been derived from the known 5-cyl. engines used in the upper class models.

DtS

Nope Vadim, the previous statemant was very correct. The GDI-engine offered in Volvo S/V40 is indeed a Mitsu-engine. Volvo had nothing to do with the development of this engine! There are two different 1.8 liter engines available for the S/V40, one wich was developed by Volvo, and then the Mitsu-engine.

DtS

The rumors are true. A S60R will be available in Sweden pretty soon, probably this autumn. It will be AWD and have 300HP. My source is an employee at Volvos design departement in Gothenburg, Sweden, so I guess he is a very reliable source!

Mike T.

The C200 CGI will be released this summer. No one has mentioned so far the best thing about the engine - that it gets superb fuel economy (42% better than the C240, with equal performance).

vadim

Not really... What I was trying to say was that "Mistu Carisma" is not a "Volvo S40", and their engines are different. I turns out that only ONE engine out of the entire model line is shared between the S40 and Carisma... Definitely not the one offered in the US - 1.9T (2.0T in Europe), which is a TRUE Volvo enigine (as mentioned in on the previous posts).

Ransom

That's not correct, what you're saying. Both diesel engines are also shared by the Volvo S/V40 and the Mitsubishi Carisma (bought from Renault).
Here in Germany, the engine program of the Carisma is quite small, only two gasoline engines (103hp and 125hp) and two diesel engines (102hp and 115hp) are offered. Compared with the Volvos, especially the more powerful engines are missing.