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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck
That quote includes cylinder head replacement. Not common on a 2005 with the redesigned head. Valve fouling with older M271 engines was common. Once fixed you need to run Techron in your fuel.

Post compression values & get a second opinion. I would hate to replace a head for a coilpack or similar problem.

There is a down & dirty trick some dealers did which sometimes blows the deposit off. Run the engine at 5000 RPM unloaded for 1 hour. This is not always effective.

You need to get the valves looking like this:

Thanks for the input GMR. Yes, you are correct. The quote includes cylinder head replacement and it is for the old head to be machined, not replaced. Total replacement was $6K, lol.

I have been running nothing but Premium Chevron since 6K miles (don't know what previous owner used) and currently has 35K miles. Should I still add some Techron to clean things up? How'd you take that picture? What do I need to take out to view the valves like that?

I'll definitely get a second opinion and see what they say. Car is running smooth now, but dealer said it will get worse until it is fixed. So far I've had it idle and run rough on two occasions the last 500 miles. Right now the CEL turned itself off and is running smooth.

One thing I do want to add is that since 2007 (when I purchased car from 1st owner) this car is not a daily driver. I live in southern California and for the most part it sits in my garage 5 days a week and driven mostly on weekends. Sometimes it sits a few weeks without being started at all, as my motorcycle is my primary mode of transportation. When I do drive it, it is mostly short trips around town and RPM's rarely go over 3K. I'm embarrassed to say, but this car has been driven like a granny owns it!

Do you think this may be contributing to my problem with the P203 code? It's a 6-speed manual, do you think I should run the engine at high RPM's (over 5K) on the freeway as you mention to burn some off of the deposits?

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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck
There is a down & dirty trick some dealers did which sometimes blows the deposit off. Run the engine at 5000 RPM unloaded for 1 hour. This is not always effective.
How? Doesn't the ECU cut you off at 4k RPM when not in drive?

It may be down and dirty, but if it works...
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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 08:28 PM
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Well the dealer uses the Star to overcome the rev limiter. In my experience the rev limiter does not actually max at 4000RPM on most engines in neutral.
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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dpgeek
Thanks for the input GMR. Yes, you are correct. The quote includes cylinder head replacement and it is for the old head to be machined, not replaced. Total replacement was $6K, lol.

I have been running nothing but Premium Chevron since 6K miles (don't know what previous owner used) and currently has 35K miles. Should I still add some Techron to clean things up? How'd you take that picture? What do I need to take out to view the valves like that?

I'll definitely get a second opinion and see what they say. Car is running smooth now, but dealer said it will get worse until it is fixed. So far I've had it idle and run rough on two occasions the last 500 miles. Right now the CEL turned itself off and is running smooth.

One thing I do want to add is that since 2007 (when I purchased car from 1st owner) this car is not a daily driver. I live in southern California and for the most part it sits in my garage 5 days a week and driven mostly on weekends. Sometimes it sits a few weeks without being started at all, as my motorcycle is my primary mode of transportation. When I do drive it, it is mostly short trips around town and RPM's rarely go over 3K. I'm embarrassed to say, but this car has been driven like a granny owns it!

Do you think this may be contributing to my problem with the P203 code? It's a 6-speed manual, do you think I should run the engine at high RPM's (over 5K) on the freeway as you mention to burn some off of the deposits?
The pic is of a Techron operated M271 engine that we stripped. The dirty part of the manifold is upstream of the injectors where the fuel can't clean. Granny driving is useless. Give the car a good thrashing from time to time. Try running a number of tanks of fuel with Techron concentrate. Try & do a lot of stop/start motoring during this period. Techron works best on valves during heat soak periods.

If you have access to a boroscope you can examine valves without stripping.

The 6K quote is b/s if it does not include a new head.
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