pcbchow

I am extremely interested to put this kit in my car........but not sure

any comment??

Kleemann says it will increase power to 200bhp? so i guess it will be pretty fast.

anyone here fitted Kleemann pulley set in their car?? any suggestions? comments?

Brandon @ Kleemann

bajaiman has fit this kit to his 200.

Do a search by his screen name and you will find his posts about the kit.

bajaiman

I've got Kleemann K20 Boost kit installed in my C200K since June 2002. For me its the best engine for the amount of money spent.
I'm not sure about 200hp (I got 102kw at the wheels -- auto transmission), but my "ButtDyno" tells me that me car pulls harder than stock.
I'd say if you got a C200 Kompressor (2.0L) then Kleemann ring pulley is the best upgrade for your engine. I'm not associated with Kleemann or anything, I'm just 1 happy customer

pcbchow

I totally agree with you! For the amount of money spent I believe it is a very good deal too

what about Brabus K2 kit I guess the price is very similar but it only increases power to 186bhp, so based on the figures alone it appears that Kleemann is a better choice

Have you install a "chip"? I heard that you need to reprogram the computer to take the full beenfit of the kit? Any problems or complain so far?

Is it really a lot faster?

Since you have a C200K sedan as well, I want to share my experinece with you, I have put a set of Eibach spring and suspension in my car, its very impressive, so if you are thinking to change your suspension, I would recommend this to you. Again I am not associated with Eibach.

bajaiman

Thanks for the recommendation , I must agree that Eibach springs are very good compared to factory springs based on what everybody said.

Before I've got my Kleemann ring pulley, I've done some research and Kleemann has the most bang for my buck.
How much faster??... i can do mid 8's 0-100 so thats about 1 second off compared to stock, for 1/4 time I've got mid-high 15's.
I'd love to do chip aswell, but I think they're not as good as the pulley upgrade. I haven't got chip for my car, once I have my other mods done then I'll be definitely looking for a good chip company (Powerchip maybe...).

kingkong

bajaiman where u live? i got 200K as well i wanna mod it so bad but here in Australia there is no 1 selling and installing kleemann stuff how did u get yours done?
The pully is to do with the super charger right? increases more psi to the engin? then woudln't u need to change the chip so that the fuel / air mix is at the right ratio? so u don't risk damaging your engin e.g. carbon build up?
i am noob to car mech. so pls excuse ne thing that i said wrong

bajaiman

I'm in Sydney. Theres no Kleemann dealer here in Aus, so I had to imported it from the States, and I've got a local mechanic to install it for me.

The ring pulley attaches to the crank pulley, the package also includes a bigger alternator pulley to keep the ratio the same. The purpose to make the crank and alternator pullies bigger so that the supercharger pulley spins faster at the same engine rate....I hope my explanation is correct. According to Kleemann website the ring pulley adds about 2psi to stock boost.

I've already set the fuel quantity to stage 2 so that the engine gets a little bit more fuel to burn. This is not necessary tho.
When I did the dyno last time (after the pulley has been installed) the fuel is abit lean at the rate of 13.9 : 1 at cruising speed and about 12:9 : 1 at WOT.
I've also got BMC air filter along with Remus exhaust, but I guess those two don't really add anything significant apart from the looks and sound.

totita

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Since you have a C200K sedan as well, I want to share my experinece with you, I have put a set of Eibach spring and suspension in my car, its very impressive, so if you are thinking to change your suspension, I would recommend this to you. Again I am not associated with Eibach.

How is the ride with the Eibach's compared with stock, much harsher? Did you install Eibach shocks too? I thought they were not available for the coupe yet, just the springs and sway bars. I'm also coping with the Kleeman ring ideea. Thanks

kingkong

hmm i got the 2003 200K and its 1.8L would this ring pully b right for my car? or i have to ask kleemann that....and about importing this ring pully did u order it from some internet site in US then told them to send it over? or u got some friend over there? which companey did u buy from in US? kleeman USA? or EVO sports etc
and with Eibach springs how much did u pay for em + installation

kingkong

hmm sounds to me that the mod ain't too hard to get done but since mine's a new car and i am kinda uncertain to have the ring pully and eibach springs installed by non kleemann or MB authorised mech, have u had any problems with your mod? and changes like this will it affect the warrenty in any way?

oh another thing what would be the optimum compression ratio ?
some where around 14.7:1 ? but i see all the MB stock have 9 ~ 10 : 1 anyway with this "set the fuel quantity to stage 2 " how did u actually do that ?

pcbchow

the ride compare to standard suspension is very similar so you would not foregone your ride for better performance and handling, it lowers the car about 2-3 cm. frankly i am very satified with it, cos i still maintain the same ride and comfort as the standard suspension whereas at the same time it gives me more fun and handling. i shall add that the body roll is reduced too

i have changed both the spring and shock.

there is no local dealer in Hong Kong too, but i get hold of their dealer in usa through the internet why dont to log on their website at www.kleemann.dk or www.kleemannusa.com to check it out.......

i want to share my other experience with you guys who owns C200K too, i have changed my wheels to the C32 AMG set ie. 17", previously I had the standard spec of tires, ie. 225/45/17 front and 245/40/17 rear, but i have experienced understeer, so i have just changed to a small size, ie.215/45/17 front and 235/40/17 rear, wow it handles much better, also accelerates a lot better especially from stationary, as the car is only 2.0L i guess there is no point to use tires size as wide as 225 front and 245 rear

Buellwinkle

From your writings I'm not sure what year your car is, if it's a 2003 these pulley kits won't work, consider an engine swap for more power. If it's a 1997-2002 with the 2.3L or 2.0L motor then any of the pulley kits will work for you. If you are not near a Kleemann dealer keep in mind that they may not stand behind their product if it's not installed by an authorized dealer. The same is true for other tuners like Brabus. For a warrantied self install consider ASP Racing or Vaeth. After various dynos with different type pullies on my car I can find no corrolation between materials or weight of pulley and more/less power.

20FHK02

pcbchow: the coupes selling in Hong Kong are C200Ks? My friend saw a white one over there a couple of months ago, so now I guess it was not exactly the same as mine :p.

I heard that you need to pay high taxes if the engine is greater than 1.3L, is that true??

RD Sport

pcbchow,

how much did it cost for you to install the kleeman pulley in Hong Kong (parts + labour)? Where did you install it? Do you have the address and phone numbers? I am also from HK and I also have a C-200K. Do you feel alot of difference from the kleemann pulley?

pcbchow

20FHK02,

We have both C200K and C230K couple in HK, the price is 316,126 and 364,093 respectively, divide by 7.8 to get the price in US$. The price is for reference only, cos difference country has difference spec and options. You can check it out at this website www.zung-fu.com, it is the local M-Benz dealer.
As far as I know the tax is based on the gross value of the car not engine capacity, the registration fee is based on engine capacity.

RD Sport,
I have placed an order through the Kleemamnn dealer in USA on the internet, it is out of stock at the moment, I am still waiting for it. The price is roughly US$1,000. I know there is a Brabus local dealer here in HK who can get the Brabus K2 kit for HK$25,000.00. I can give you the number if you want.

20FHK02

Thanks for clarify this. I must have misinterpreted something during the conversation. Maybe you can show me your Kleemannized puppy on my next return to Hong Kong!

bajaiman

Are you sure about that?...are you getting solid pulley or ring pulley??...my Kleemann ring pulley certainly cost less than that when I bought it exactly 1 year ago...there must be some price increases....

pcbchow

the exact price is US$899 but I have to add postage and insurance, so it roughly adds up to US$1,000

hey ben could you tell me how to increase the fuel stage to II, the original setting is stage I right...

bajaiman

US$899??...that must be the steel pulley then...you'll get extra ponnies compared with ring pulley... maybe I should've gone for the steel too ... well too late now....

Fuel quantity setting has to be done with DAS (MB service dept). If you do a search you should find the screen shots on how to set the fuel quantity..... I'm not quite sure if the stock setting is stage 1....maybe Buellwinkle can answer this for ya

pcbchow

20FHK02,
do you travel to HK quite often? anyhow drop me a note or e-mail at your next visit, and i will show you my little baby....

ben,
the exact price is US$899 but I have to add postage and insurance, so it roughly adds up to US$1,000

hey ben could you tell me how to increase the fuel stage to II, the original setting is stage I right...

HFC200K

I also come from HK. You want to install pulley by yourself or find a local reseller to install it. I had asked a local reseller for the kleemann pulley. They told me that they only recommend to upgrade the pulley + the sensor. But, the price is close to HK$20K.

In addition, did you hear any advice from SACHS suspension? Is it comfort as compared to the Avantgarde's stock suspension?

Thanks!!

Buellwinkle

Stage 1, 2, 3 will cost you dearly in HP. I've only tried Stage 3 (17 hp loss) and Stage 2 (12 HP loss). Leave it stock for maximum power. Also $900 is kinda pricey for a pulley. Check with ASP, they'll modify your pulley for $250 or with a brand new pulley for $650 and that retains the factory damper.

bajaiman

So there are 4 settings...base, stage 1, 2 and 3....is this correct?
Will higher octane rating fuel (93 RON or 98 Octane) can compensate some of the power loss?

pcbchow

HFC200K,
I think I will get a local dealer to fit the pulley for me, i guess its the same dealer who told you the kleemann pulley cost HK$20K.

I've Eibach spring & shock fittted in my car, its really good, same level of comfort as standard AV suspension very similar but handles a lot better, less body roll, i would recommend Eibach. Not sure about SACHS


I dont understand?? if we increase the fuel stage level, there be power loss?? But why?? my understanding is that if air is increased as a result of the larger pulley, then fuel must be increased also, otherwise the cylinder will over head, right??

Kleemann technican told me that its ok to stick with the original setting BUT if i am worried he suggested to increase to stage II. So shall i stick with the original setting or change to stage II???? Please advise........

20FHK02

As I know of, isn't the pulley made of aluminum alloy, not steel?? Or do they have a steel version for the 2.0L engine?