2006 c350 ECU question
01-07-2012, 10:58 PM
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All cars sold in the US after 1/1/96 are required to have OBD 2. I'd be a bit wary about a tuner telling you your car doesn't have one. 
01-07-2012, 11:10 PM
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Thats what im saying. Im not going to give out the name but its a very well known trusted tuning company. I have went to them before for tuning.
01-07-2012, 11:37 PM
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Any so-called “tuner” dispensing faulty intel like that certainly doesn’t deserve your business.
Note most (later version) MB ECU/TCU/EGSs must be removed from the vehicle in order to facilitate aftermarket hacking. ;)
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01-07-2012, 11:41 PM
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Well say I was going to get a custom tune done for a turbo or a throttle body how would that work? They would guess and than constantly shipping my ecu back and forth...
01-08-2012, 07:22 PM
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The 2006 C350 absolutely has an OBD2 port.
The OBD2 port cannot be used to flash a new tune to the ECU.
IMO, many popular tuning companies are absolutely, positively NOT trustworthy, especially some that are often mentioned here.
The OBD2 port cannot be used to flash a new tune to the ECU.
IMO, many popular tuning companies are absolutely, positively NOT trustworthy, especially some that are often mentioned here.
01-09-2012, 04:46 AM
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Hey guys, long time no talk. Happy New Year! Hope all is well with everyone.
I believe your tuner wasn't saying you don't have an OBDII but rather your car can not be tuned through OBDII. From what I hear the tuners can unlock this and then it can be done through the OBDII. Mine was never done and was always done through BDM. I know the older models can be tuned through the OBDII.
With your C350 and/or the modern ECU tuning is done through BDM.
Here is how the process looks.
They read and write to files/maps with a BDM chip reading tool and they use software like winols to tune it.
Here is how the winols software and maps look like.
This company makes the software and it's pretty pricey. http://www.evc.de/en/
Some other useful information:
They do have BDM flash tools on ebay (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=....c0.m270.l1313) and I'm sure you can find winols online somewhere
but don't think if you have all this you're gonna start modding your car.
The important thing here is something called DAMOS. What are DAMOS you ask? DAMOS are special files. For example you get BDM hardware and you somehow get the software and you hook your ECU up to it don't think you're going to easily be able to find the correct maps.
You're going to get over a hundred maps and will be scratching your head. But with DAMOS files everything is labeled. So you know for example the first map is the o2 map. The second map is the injector cycle and so on (these are just examples) by the way these are all in German....google translate?
Now your average tuner (not speaking from experience and not speaking from any tuner/tuners here at MBWorld) will have the DAMOS files. You'll go to him and he'll copy your files he'll move couple of maps here and there and sometimes increase something all across the map 5% or 10% or even if it's dangerous he or she might even say "ohh well the knock sensors will take care of it". From what I heard..word on the underground tuning world is they acquire these damos files from a source. There are always accusations that this tuner stole this other tuners files or it's the same code as mine and even both tuners had the same error on the map and that's most likely they got the damos files from the same source and it's because of that...who know what really goes on.
Is your tuner going to tune your car through OBDII? Can he enable this? If not then tuning this will be a female dog. Unless it's someone who has already done this. Can you imagine taking ECU out hooking up to BDM and then putting it back. Running the car. Taking it out back on bdm and tuning files then back on car and so on.
What I would recommend is if you can talk to someone knowledgeable enough that can guide you more towards maybe a piggyback of some sort. Atleast with a piggyback you are not stuck with 1 tuner and I believe are able to fine tune more.
A lot of questions you have to ask this tuner before going with it. What will happen with my car if the climate is hot? How safe is the tune? Are you relying on just the knock sensors (YOU"LL BE VERY SURPRISED ON THIS ONE!)?
Good Luck, I hope everything works out to the best.
I believe your tuner wasn't saying you don't have an OBDII but rather your car can not be tuned through OBDII. From what I hear the tuners can unlock this and then it can be done through the OBDII. Mine was never done and was always done through BDM. I know the older models can be tuned through the OBDII.
With your C350 and/or the modern ECU tuning is done through BDM.
Here is how the process looks.
They read and write to files/maps with a BDM chip reading tool and they use software like winols to tune it.
Here is how the winols software and maps look like.
This company makes the software and it's pretty pricey. http://www.evc.de/en/
Some other useful information:
They do have BDM flash tools on ebay (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=....c0.m270.l1313) and I'm sure you can find winols online somewhere
but don't think if you have all this you're gonna start modding your car.The important thing here is something called DAMOS. What are DAMOS you ask? DAMOS are special files. For example you get BDM hardware and you somehow get the software and you hook your ECU up to it don't think you're going to easily be able to find the correct maps.
You're going to get over a hundred maps and will be scratching your head. But with DAMOS files everything is labeled. So you know for example the first map is the o2 map. The second map is the injector cycle and so on (these are just examples) by the way these are all in German....google translate?
Now your average tuner (not speaking from experience and not speaking from any tuner/tuners here at MBWorld) will have the DAMOS files. You'll go to him and he'll copy your files he'll move couple of maps here and there and sometimes increase something all across the map 5% or 10% or even if it's dangerous he or she might even say "ohh well the knock sensors will take care of it". From what I heard..word on the underground tuning world is they acquire these damos files from a source. There are always accusations that this tuner stole this other tuners files or it's the same code as mine and even both tuners had the same error on the map and that's most likely they got the damos files from the same source and it's because of that...who know what really goes on.
Is your tuner going to tune your car through OBDII? Can he enable this? If not then tuning this will be a female dog. Unless it's someone who has already done this. Can you imagine taking ECU out hooking up to BDM and then putting it back. Running the car. Taking it out back on bdm and tuning files then back on car and so on.
What I would recommend is if you can talk to someone knowledgeable enough that can guide you more towards maybe a piggyback of some sort. Atleast with a piggyback you are not stuck with 1 tuner and I believe are able to fine tune more.
A lot of questions you have to ask this tuner before going with it. What will happen with my car if the climate is hot? How safe is the tune? Are you relying on just the knock sensors (YOU"LL BE VERY SURPRISED ON THIS ONE!)?
Good Luck, I hope everything works out to the best.
01-14-2012, 10:15 PM
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Piggyback would only be for if you go for the turbo option. Although your ECU ME9.7 can handle boost but it'll be a lot easier with a piggyback.
Here is a pretty good one. AEM Fuel Ignition Controller 6 http://www.aemelectronics.com/engine...oller-f-ic-12/
If you can get a hold of Max Hughes he can help you. He went MIA. He is on mymb and mbworld with the handle Max Hughes. Also he mentioned the AEM FIC 8 was way easier and a lot more options to work with than the AEM FIC 6. I'm sure if you talk to other tuners they can maybe help you out with a piggyback of some sort.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCXHqXFdGJo
Good Luck
Here is a pretty good one. AEM Fuel Ignition Controller 6 http://www.aemelectronics.com/engine...oller-f-ic-12/
If you can get a hold of Max Hughes he can help you. He went MIA. He is on mymb and mbworld with the handle Max Hughes. Also he mentioned the AEM FIC 8 was way easier and a lot more options to work with than the AEM FIC 6. I'm sure if you talk to other tuners they can maybe help you out with a piggyback of some sort.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCXHqXFdGJo
Good Luck
01-15-2012, 04:59 PM
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Piggyback would only be for if you go for the turbo option. Although your ECU ME9.7 can handle boost but it'll be a lot easier with a piggyback.
Here is a pretty good one. AEM Fuel Ignition Controller 6 http://www.aemelectronics.com/engine...oller-f-ic-12/
If you can get a hold of Max Hughes he can help you. He went MIA. He is on mymb and mbworld with the handle Max Hughes. Also he mentioned the AEM FIC 8 was way easier and a lot more options to work with than the AEM FIC 6. I'm sure if you talk to other tuners they can maybe help you out with a piggyback of some sort.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCXHqXFdGJo
Good Luck
Here is a pretty good one. AEM Fuel Ignition Controller 6 http://www.aemelectronics.com/engine...oller-f-ic-12/
If you can get a hold of Max Hughes he can help you. He went MIA. He is on mymb and mbworld with the handle Max Hughes. Also he mentioned the AEM FIC 8 was way easier and a lot more options to work with than the AEM FIC 6. I'm sure if you talk to other tuners they can maybe help you out with a piggyback of some sort.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCXHqXFdGJo
Good Luck
