n00b

First can you use this type of oil on the w203?
https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produ...?code=EFMQT-EA

Second: does it matter if you use a different brand of oil then you did for your oil change if you need to put another quart in? I mean if it's 5w-40 and 229.5 requirements but AMES instead of mobil 5w-40?

Akhafeez

should be fine

slammer111

It's fine. It says MB229.5. You're good to go. Any oil that says MB229.5 will work.

afaik you can mix oils. As long as they all meet that MB spec, I can't see it causing any problems. Even after an oil change, you're still mixing a bit of the old oil every time..

Moviela

There are several pages of oils approved for Mercedes-Benz Sheet 229.5. Most of them are not available in the USA. There are several "boutique" oil distributors that blend their own oil and use multi-level marketing like Amway. They depend on lots of people swearing this is the best oil they ever used. How would they know? Did they send it for analysis? Do people swear by it because they paid a premium price, so it must be special? If it is so good, how come you can't buy it at a retail store?

German manufacturers have engineered their engines to use specific oil additive packages for extended drain intervals, better mileage, and long life. That is not going to happen with unapproved oils.

Let's consider Amsoil advertising for the product mentioned in the first post. They compare apples to pears trying to convince you theirs is a special "European Formula." Read carefully what they say:

"It is recommended for European gasoline and diesel vehicles requiring any of the following performance specifications:"

Observe that it is "recommended" for Mercedes cars, but it is not approved because it does not meet the requirements. They would like to sell it to you, so they recommend it for your car, but they don't want to formulate it to meet the specifications for your car.

Chose wisely, it is your car.

n00b

Well I only ordered it because I thought you are suppose to use the exact oil as you did last oil change. It said Ames 5w-40 synthetic motor oil on the receipt so I found the website. If you Google AMSoil you do get a lot of positive responses. Random people say it's the best oil out there so i'll give it a try although next oil change I will use mobil 1 0w-40.

Boom vang

what is wrong with just using Mobil 1 0W40 Euro formula? It is what our cars came with, it is what is approved by MB, why try to reinvent the wheel? M1 is excellent oil and I don't see there is a need to change just to be different. The price is reasonable when you get it on sale

for the list http://www.nexttechnology.us/MB/OIL.HTML

For USA cars this is the list of approved oils (first chart), for the rest of the world (second chart)

efzauner

Amsoil is a very respected company. I am sure they know how to formulate oils to MB specs. Perhaps they don't want to pay MB to get it "certified". MB is interested in certifying oils that are readily available in all parts of the world. They have no interest in spending time or money to certify boutique oils.

Glyn M Ruck

Amsoil IMHO are a bunch of BS'ers. I would only use an approved product.

Read all this to save me repeating myself ad nauseum.

https://mbworld.org/forums/clk-class...ghlight=AMSOIL

n00b

Hi glyn amsoil is a big company i doubt they lie about there products being recommended for 229.5. I found a picture of a guy putting 5w-40 amsoil in his Mercedes on instagram it must be approved in the usa. http://statigr.am/p/427594324918015783_216318460

Moviela

Wake up and smell the hydrocarbons. AmSOIL is a teeny company. It has total sales of 115 million, with just 251 employees. Glyn comes from a real oil company with sales of 250 BILLION and 62,000 employees.

Now pay attention to language. AmSOIL only recommends their product. They do not say it meets the specifications. It does not meet the specifications. It is not because they don't want to pay Mercedes, because you can't. Approved oils must meet the specification and be checked by an independent lab. There are plenty of boutique oils on Sheet 229.5 for gasoline engines, some even made in the USA. They meet the specification.

I use Mobil 1 10W-40. Approved for my Audi, Mercedes-Benz, and Porsche cars. I only need to stock one sku.

Glyn M Ruck

AMSOIL is mickey mouse. They do not hold a 229.5 approval. They forever make bogus claims to the uninitiated. I'm not going to repeat myself. It's all in the supplied link.

Latest 229.5 global approvals list:

Stand: 04.11.2013
PRODUKTNAME 0W-30 0W-40 5W-30 5W-40 AUFTRAGGEBER
Mercedes-Benz Genuine Engine Oil MB 229.5 x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
Mercedes-Benz PKW-Synthetic Motorenöl MB 229.5 x x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
MB 229.5 Motorenöl A 000 989 83 01 x x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
Premium Synthetik Motorenöl x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
8100 X-cess MOTUL SAE 5W40 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
ADDINOL SUPER POWER MV 0537 x Addinol Lube Oil GmbH, Leuna/Deutschland
AeroShell Oil Diesel Ultra x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
AKTUAL FULLY SYNTH 5W-40 x PETRONAS LUBRICANTS INTERNATIONAL, VILLASTELLONE (Torino)/ITALY
Alpine RS 0W40 x Mitan Mineralöl GmbH, Ankum/Deutschland
ARAL HIGH TRONIC M SAE 5W-40 x Aral Aktiengesellschaft, Hamburg/Deutschland
ARAL SUPER TRONIC G x Aral Aktiengesellschaft, Hamburg/Deutschland
ARAL SuperSynth x Aral Aktiengesellschaft, Hamburg/Deutschland
AREXONS 3X B4 x PETRONAS LUBRICANTS INTERNATIONAL, VILLASTELLONE (Torino)/ITALY
ASTRIS MAGIS SAE 5W-30 x Astris S.A., GIORNICO/Schweiz
ASTRIS MAGIS SAE 5W-40 x Astris S.A., GIORNICO/Schweiz
ASTRO BOY X-PRO 5W40 x Kawada Holdings Co. Ltd., Hong Kong/HONG KONG
AVIA SPS PLUS x AVIA Genossenschaft Schmierstoffe, ZÜRICH/Schweiz
AVIASYNTH 5W-40 x Avia Mineralöl-AG, München/Deutschland
Biloxxi 5W-30 x MCC Trading Deutschland GmbH, Düsseldorf/Deutschland
BOOSTER 600 PLUS FULLY SYNTHETIC x Additive Products (M) Sdn Bhd, Petaling, Selangor D.E./MALAYSIA
bp superV Plus 5W-40 x BP p.l.c., LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
bp Visco 5000 5W-30 x BP p.l.c., LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE 0W-30 A3/B4 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol Edge 0W-40 A3/B4 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE 5W-30 A3/B4 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE Professional A3 0W-30 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE Professional A3 0W-40 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol Edge Professional A3 5W-30 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE PROFESSIONAL A3 5W-40 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE TITANIUM 5W-40 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol Edge with SPT SAE 0W-30 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol Magnatec Professional A3 5W-40 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
CEPSA star 5W40 SYNTHETIC x Cepsa Lubricantes, S.A., MADRID/SPAIN
Chevron Havoline Synthetic Motor Oil x Chevron Global Lubricants, GENT/ZWIJNAARDE/BELGIUM
Divinol syntholight MBX SAE 5W-30 x Zeller+Gmelin GmbH & Co. KG, Eislingen/Deutschland
EKO MEGATRON SYNTHETIC 5W-30 x EKO A.B.E.E., MARONSI, ATHENS/GREECE
ELF Evolution 900 FT 0W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
ELF Evolution 900 FT 0W-40 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
ELF Evolution 900 FT 5W-40 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Elf Excellium Full-Tech 5W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Elf Excellium Full-Tech 5W-40 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Engen Xtreme Syn 5W-40 x Engen Petroleum Ltd., JOHANNESBURG 2000/REPUBLIC of SOUTHAFRICA
Engine Armour SAE 5W-40 x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
eni i-Sint PC 4AM 5W-30 x Eni S.p.A., Refining & Marketing Division, ROME/ITALY
ENOC PROTEC X-TREME 5W 40 x ENOC International Sales L.L.C., DUBAI/UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
EVOLUTION OEM Series I 5W-30 x TOP 1 Oil Products, San Mateo, CA/USA
EVOLUTION OEM Series I 5W-40 x TOP 1 Oil Products, San Mateo, CA/USA
Fastroil Premium Plus SAE 5W-40 x HILL Corporation, Shymkent/KAZAKHSTAN
Fuchs TITAN Supersyn LONGLIFE 5W-40 x Fuchs Petrolub AG, Mannheim/Deutschland
Fuchs TITAN Supersyn LONGLIFE SAE 0W-30 x Fuchs Petrolub AG, Mannheim/Deutschland
Fuchs TITAN Supersyn LONGLIFE SAE 0W-40 x Fuchs Petrolub AG, Mannheim/Deutschland
G-Energy F Synth 5W-30 x Gazpromneft-Lubricants LTD, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
G-Energy F Synth 5W-40 x Gazpromneft-Lubricants LTD, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
G-Energy Service Line MS 5W-30 x Gazpromneft-Lubricants LTD, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
GALP FÓRMULA XLD SAE 5W-40 x GALPENERGIA, Lissabon/PORTUGAL
GT Extra Synt x Volgaresurs Co., Ltd., Serpuchov/RUSSIA
Gulf Formula GMX x Gulf Oil International, London/ENGLAND
Gulf Formula GX x x Gulf Oil International, London/ENGLAND
HILL Super SM/CF x HILL Corporation, Shymkent/KAZAKHSTAN
IDEMITSU EXTREME 0W-30 x Idemitsu Kosan Co., Ltd., Tokyo/JAPAN
INA Ultra Sint 5W-30 x INA MAZIVA Ltd., ZAGREB/CROATIA
LIQUI MOLY 5W-40 LEICHTLAUF HIGH TECH x Liqui Moly GmbH, Ulm/Deutschland
LIQUI MOLY PRO-ENGINE M900 x Liqui Moly GmbH, Ulm/Deutschland
LIQUI MOLY Special Tec LL x Liqui Moly GmbH, Ulm/Deutschland
LOTOS SYNTHETIC PLUS SAE 5W40 x Grupa Lotos SA., GDANSK/POLAND
LOTOS SYNTHETIC TURBODIESEL PLUS 5W40 x Grupa Lotos SA., GDANSK/POLAND
LUBREX API SL/CF 5W-40 x LUBREX FZC, SHARJAH/UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
LubriGold Full Synthetic 5W-40 x Warren Oil Company, Inc., WEST MEMPHIS, AR 72303-2048/USA
LUKOIL GENESIS 5W-30 x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL GENESIS 5W-40 x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL GENESIS POLAR 0W-30 x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL GENESIS POLAR 0W-40 x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL LUXE MC x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL LUXE SYNTHETIC x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
master oil v-tec Premium 0W-40 x Interparts Autoteile GmbH, Stuttgart/Deutschland
megol Motorenoel High Condition x Meguin GmbH & Co. KG Mineraloelwerke, Saarlouis/Deutschland
megol Motorenoel Quality x Meguin GmbH & Co. KG Mineraloelwerke, Saarlouis/Deutschland
MEISTERÖL 5W-30 LL x EPRO GmbH, Ulm/Deutschland
Mitan Alpine RS 0W-40 x Mitan Mineralöl GmbH, Ankum/Deutschland
Mobil 1 0W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil 1 Formula M 5W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil 1 New Life 0W-30 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil 1 New Life 0W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel 0W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil SHC Formula M 5W-30 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
MOBIL SUPER 3000 FORMULA M 0W-30 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil Super 3000 Formula M 5W-30 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil Super 3000 Formula M 5W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
MOTOREX PROFILE M-XL 5W/40 x Bucher AG Langenthal, LANGENTHAL/Schweiz
MOTOREX TOPAZ SAE 5W/30 x Bucher AG Langenthal, LANGENTHAL/Schweiz
MOTUL 8100 X-cess 5W-40 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
MOTUL 8100 X-max 0W-40 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
MOTUL EXPERT M 5W-40 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
MOTUL H-TECH Prime SAE 5W40 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
Motul Synergie Tech+ 5W40 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
NASA SUPER DUTY VR 7.1 x Additive Products (M) Sdn Bhd, Petaling, Selangor D.E./MALAYSIA
OEST GIGANT SPEZIAL SAE 5W-40 x Georg Oest Mineralölwerk GmbH & Co KG, Freudenstadt/Deutschland
OMV BIXXOL premium NT SAE 5W-40 x OMV Refining & Marketing GmbH, VIENNA/Österreich
Pennzoil Platinum European Formula x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Pennzoil Ultra Euro x x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Pennzoil Ultra Euro 5W-40 Full Synthetic x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
PENRITE HPR 5 5W-40 x Penrite Oil Company Pty Ltd, WANTIRNA SOUTH/AUSTRALIA
Pento High Performance 5W-30 x Deutsche Pentosin-Werke GmbH, Wedel/Deutschland
PETRONAS SYNTIUM 7000 x PETRONAS LUBRICANTS INTERNATIONAL, VILLASTELLONE (Torino)/ITALY
PULSAR CR x PETRONAS LUBRICANTS INTERNATIONAL, VILLASTELLONE (Torino)/ITALY
Pzl Platinum European Formula Ultra x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Q European Engine Ultra x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
QS Q European Engine Ultra Diesel x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
QS Ultimate Durability European x x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
RAVENOL HCL x Ravensberger Schmierstoffvertrieb GmbH, Werther/Deutschland
RAVENOL VST VOLLSYNTH TURBO 5W-40 x Ravensberger Schmierstoffvertrieb GmbH, Werther/Deutschland
real,- Quality GSR 5W-30 x real,- Handels GmbH, Düsseldorf/Deutschland
REPSOL ELITE Common Rail 5W30 x REPSOL LUBRICANTES Y ESPECIALIDADES, S.A., MOSTOLES (Madrid)/SPAIN
ROWE SYNT RS SAE 5W-30 HC-D x ROWE Mineralölwerk GmbH, Bubenheim/Deutschland
ROWE SYNT RS SAE 5W-40 HC-D x ROWE Mineralölwerk GmbH, Bubenheim/Deutschland
Shell Helix Diesel Ultra x x x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Diesel Ultra E x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix HX8 x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix HX8 C x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra x x x x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra AB x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra C x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra E x x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Sinopec Justar A3/B4-E x Lubricant Company, Sinopec Corp., Beijing/P. R. of CHINA
Sinopec Justar A3/B4-S x Lubricant Company, Sinopec Corp., Beijing/P. R. of CHINA
Sinopec Justar J700F-E x Lubricant Company, Sinopec Corp., Beijing/P. R. of CHINA
Sinopec Justar J700F-S x Lubricant Company, Sinopec Corp., Beijing/P. R. of CHINA
SPC SYN ACE SUPREME API SN x Singapore Petroleum Company Limited, SINGAPORE/SINGAPUR
SRS ViVA 1 Longlife x SRS Schmierstoff Vertrieb GmbH, Salzbergen/Deutschland
SynPower HST x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
SynPower motor oil x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
SynPower SAE 5W-30 motor oil x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
SYNTIUM 3000 x PETRONAS LUBRICANTS INTERNATIONAL, KUALA LAMPUR/MALAYSIA
TAMOIL SINT FUTURE RACING x Tamoil Italia S.p.A., MILANO/ITALY
TECAR Special M Motorenöl 5W-30 x Techno - Einkauf GmbH, Norderstedt/Deutschland
TESLA POLARIS FS 1120 SAE 5W 40 x Tesla Technoproducts FZE, DUBAI/UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Texaco Havoline Synthetic x Chevron Global Lubricants, GENT/ZWIJNAARDE/BELGIUM
Texaco Havoline Synthetic Motor Oil x Chevron Global Lubricants, GENT/ZWIJNAARDE/BELGIUM
Texaco Havoline Ultra x Chevron Global Lubricants, GENT/ZWIJNAARDE/BELGIUM
TNK Magnum Ultratec x RN-Lubricants, LLC, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
Total Quartz 9000 Energy 0W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Total Quartz 9000 Energy 0W-40 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Total Quartz 9000 Energy 5W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Total Quartz 9000 Energy 5W-40 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
TRIATHLON FORMULA LL x Adolf Würth GmbH & Co. KG, Künzelsau/Deutschland
Valvoline SynPower 5W-40 x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
Valvoline SynPower HST x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
Westfalen Gigatron 0W-40 x Westfalen AG, Münster/Deutschland
WOLF ECOTECH 0W40 FE x Wolf Oil Corporation N.V., HEMIKSEN/BELGIUM
YACCO VX 1000 LL SAE 5W-40 x Yacco SAS, ST PIERRE LES ELBEUF/FRANCE
YACCO VX 1600 0W30 x Yacco SAS, ST PIERRE LES ELBEUF/FRANCE

Khan28

Glyn already posted the approved oils but give this a try. It's a little easier on the eyes

http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.5_en.html

I use Motul 8100 X-Cess 5W40 and it's on that list. I plan on sending in a sample when time comes to change it. I change my oil at the 10,000km mark versus the 20,000/once a year given my Mercedes Benz.

mbenzagain

I noticed on the list of approved oils from the 229.5 list that Castrol GTX High Mileage 5W-40 is on there. If I am not mistaken, this is a conventional motor oil (dino oil). Does anyone use this/similar oil or is everyone just sold on using the expensive synthetic oil ?

I still use Castrol GTX 20W-50 on my 89 BMW 635 (107k miles) that I only drive around 2k miles a year. I change the oil/filter first week of the year.

ty_53402

I have been using Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 for the last 150,000 miles in my 2004 C320.
I started using it instead of Mobil 0w-40 which burned off at a rate of 1 quart in 500 miles.
With the Rotella, (yep, it's diesel oil) it uses about 1 quart in 3,000 miles.
So far, so good.

Moviela

Please have another look at Sheet 229.5....The GTX product is on sheet 229.1 and 229.3. It did not appear on 229.5.

Older cars operated OK on the older formulations of conventional motor oil. I can't see how though they do not work better with the "expensive" synthetics. One big advantage is there is no varnish or wax in synthetics. The extended drain interval also saves the user time and spreads the cost over a longer period.

There is another benefit. You can run 250,000 miles with virtually no wear on parts lubricated in the engine. I ran a Porsche 100,000 using conventional oil. It was at the wear limits on the pistons, crank, and cams. I rebuilt it and used Mobil 1 from then on. At 250,000 the valves were tired. I ground the valves, de-carbonized, and measured the other parts. Most were a few ten thousandths from the values I recorded when I assembled it.

Glyn M Ruck

For those cars fitted with the older FSS or Assyst systems you might notice you can select oil quality between 229.3 & 229.5. If you select 229.3 it will approx halve your drain interval.

It makes sense to only use 229.5 for the extra protection they provide.

Don't use diesel engine oils either. They are designed with different objectives. They do not control low temperature sludge well because this situation does not exist in a diesel.

Further. Diesels are rev limited by the combustion process & do not run aggressive cams.

Diesel engine oils & especially low SAPS DEO's will not protect the cam & tappet area well & will not prevent piston thrust side scuffing as well.

This is why Benz mandated ash levels for 229.5 for Gasoline passenger car engines & 229.51 for Diesel passenger car engines with Cat & particulate filters so no one product could claim to meet both specs.

Glyn M Ruck

Yes ~ because you changed the viscometrics. Not because it is a diesel engine oil. If the vehicle is burning a quart in 500 miles then something is wrong. Likely valve stem seals.

Crna Mechka

This.

And this.

Quite simple really. I don't understand why some choose to stray

sammydam101

Can I use this as my signature?