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The Elusive In Dash CD
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The Elusive In Dash CD
Mercedes-Benz Audio 10 BE4410 / BE6021
Tuner bands: FM 87.5 MHz - 108 MHz.
AM 531 kHz - 1620 kHz
LW 153 kHz - 282 kHz
SW 5800 kHz - 6250 kHz
Station Memory: 8 in FM, 4 in MW, LW and KW.
Frequency Response:
50 Hz - 20 kHz with CD Player
30 Hz - 15 kHz on FM
50 Hz - 2.5 kHz on AM, LW, SW
Autostore: FM, MW, LW.
Amplifier output: 4 x 15 Watt.
Loudspeaker Impedance: min. 4 Ohm.
Speed Dependant volume.
Antenna: Impedance 50 Ohm.
Telephone Mute: Low active signal < 2 Volt.
Power Supply: 12 Volt.
Soundsystem: Connection only for D2B Optical System.
CD Connection: Available for Mercedes-Benz D2B and Becker Silverstone 2662.
8 cm CD's with adapter is not recommended nor guaranteed playback with recordable CD's.
CANBUS enabled.
Theft protection is handled by a unit identifier signal over the CANBUS with the vehicle (the devices have no code). This identifier is checked at each operation of the unit. If this identifier is missing, then the radio goes into the PROD lockout mode and can no longer be operated.
The BE6021 is an update version of the BE4410. There are no operational or specification differences.
Tuner bands: FM 87.5 MHz - 108 MHz.
AM 531 kHz - 1620 kHz
LW 153 kHz - 282 kHz
SW 5800 kHz - 6250 kHz
Station Memory: 8 in FM, 4 in MW, LW and KW.
Frequency Response:
50 Hz - 20 kHz with CD Player
30 Hz - 15 kHz on FM
50 Hz - 2.5 kHz on AM, LW, SW
Autostore: FM, MW, LW.
Amplifier output: 4 x 15 Watt.
Loudspeaker Impedance: min. 4 Ohm.
Speed Dependant volume.
Antenna: Impedance 50 Ohm.
Telephone Mute: Low active signal < 2 Volt.
Power Supply: 12 Volt.
Soundsystem: Connection only for D2B Optical System.
CD Connection: Available for Mercedes-Benz D2B and Becker Silverstone 2662.
8 cm CD's with adapter is not recommended nor guaranteed playback with recordable CD's.
CANBUS enabled.
Theft protection is handled by a unit identifier signal over the CANBUS with the vehicle (the devices have no code). This identifier is checked at each operation of the unit. If this identifier is missing, then the radio goes into the PROD lockout mode and can no longer be operated.
The BE6021 is an update version of the BE4410. There are no operational or specification differences.
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Originally posted by timorgan
That brings another question to my mind...
Can the North American version (10 CD Changer) playback CD-R's and CD-RW's?
Thanks,
Tim
That brings another question to my mind...
Can the North American version (10 CD Changer) playback CD-R's and CD-RW's?
Thanks,
Tim
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cdrw's will work with Becker havent tried with Alpine or MB brand
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The rear screen is an option on the S class (and maybee the CL) in Europe. It is driven directly from the TV tuner that connects to COMAND (and so only does PAL/SECAM, not US NTSC standard)
The TV tuner has 2 Aux inputs, so the rear passenger can watch a DVD (using headphones) while the driver can be watching something different
If I handnt been selling my CLK55, Id have installed the S class stuff in the rear in the summer :-)
R
The TV tuner has 2 Aux inputs, so the rear passenger can watch a DVD (using headphones) while the driver can be watching something different
If I handnt been selling my CLK55, Id have installed the S class stuff in the rear in the summer :-)
R
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Why wouldn't the radio work? FM is FM. It's only AM that has a shorter range than us spec. On the Becker board they said it will work but will sound tinny in comparison to US spec radios because the Europeans like it that way.
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Your FM spacing is different (I beleive). Here (Europe) stations are .9 apart, i.e 94.9, 95.8, 96.7 etc - I thought yours where 1.0 apart
I'd be very suprised if it wasnt software selectable somehow - the reason I say this is I think the older becker radios were selectable, and that unit is made by Becker for MB
I'd be very suprised if it wasnt software selectable somehow - the reason I say this is I think the older becker radios were selectable, and that unit is made by Becker for MB
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Originally posted by Richard
The rear screen is an option on the S class (and maybee the CL) in Europe. It is driven directly from the TV tuner that connects to COMAND (and so only does PAL/SECAM, not US NTSC standard)
The TV tuner has 2 Aux inputs, so the rear passenger can watch a DVD (using headphones) while the driver can be watching something different
If I handnt been selling my CLK55, Id have installed the S class stuff in the rear in the summer :-)
R
The rear screen is an option on the S class (and maybee the CL) in Europe. It is driven directly from the TV tuner that connects to COMAND (and so only does PAL/SECAM, not US NTSC standard)
The TV tuner has 2 Aux inputs, so the rear passenger can watch a DVD (using headphones) while the driver can be watching something different
If I handnt been selling my CLK55, Id have installed the S class stuff in the rear in the summer :-)
R
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Well, since its the standard TV tuner that is doing the decode, this sounds like the TV tuner itself may support NTSC soon.
This means you US guys will be able to finally get TV on your COMANDs (you may have to install European s/w on them, but you can but the s/w update disks from European dealers)
Where was that becker web site ??
R
This means you US guys will be able to finally get TV on your COMANDs (you may have to install European s/w on them, but you can but the s/w update disks from European dealers)
Where was that becker web site ??
R
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Richard,
Don't know what the spacing is but I listen to 88.1, 88.5, 93.1, 94.1, 94.7, 95.5, 97.1, 98.1, 98.7, 99.9, 100.7, 101.1, 101.5, 102.7, 102.9, 103.5, 103.7 104.3, 105.1, 105.9 but not all at the same time. Some are LA stations and some are San Diego stations and I live in between. I guess the only pattern is that the number to the right of the decimal point are all odd and yours are mixed.
Don't know what the spacing is but I listen to 88.1, 88.5, 93.1, 94.1, 94.7, 95.5, 97.1, 98.1, 98.7, 99.9, 100.7, 101.1, 101.5, 102.7, 102.9, 103.5, 103.7 104.3, 105.1, 105.9 but not all at the same time. Some are LA stations and some are San Diego stations and I live in between. I guess the only pattern is that the number to the right of the decimal point are all odd and yours are mixed.
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Originally posted by Richard
Your FM spacing is different (I beleive). Here (Europe) stations are .9 apart, i.e 94.9, 95.8, 96.7 etc - I thought yours where 1.0 apart
I'd be very suprised if it wasnt software selectable somehow - the reason I say this is I think the older becker radios were selectable, and that unit is made by Becker for MB
Your FM spacing is different (I beleive). Here (Europe) stations are .9 apart, i.e 94.9, 95.8, 96.7 etc - I thought yours where 1.0 apart
I'd be very suprised if it wasnt software selectable somehow - the reason I say this is I think the older becker radios were selectable, and that unit is made by Becker for MB
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Hi Rick,
There are different manufacturers of the Audio 10 CD unit. Some are made by
Becker and others by Alpine. You would need to know the exact one first.
Secondly, we are unable to sell our head unit outside of Australia due to
our contract requirements with Becker. Also these Audio 10 units are
officially Mercedes-Benz units, so the best place to locate one would be
your local Benz dealer.
I hope that helps!
Best wishes,
Leon Gross
Soundlabs Group Pty Ltd
Australia
I also heard back from a London dealer that removed one from a new car he would ship it for 400.00
There are different manufacturers of the Audio 10 CD unit. Some are made by
Becker and others by Alpine. You would need to know the exact one first.
Secondly, we are unable to sell our head unit outside of Australia due to
our contract requirements with Becker. Also these Audio 10 units are
officially Mercedes-Benz units, so the best place to locate one would be
your local Benz dealer.
I hope that helps!
Best wishes,
Leon Gross
Soundlabs Group Pty Ltd
Australia
I also heard back from a London dealer that removed one from a new car he would ship it for 400.00
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In Europe they broadcast FM on EVEN numbers like 89.2 or 103.4. We use the ODD numbers like 89.1 or 103.3Mhz. Most radios are software settable, but who knows how to get to the menus? If the radio does a scan of freqs in .05Mhz or .1Mhz steps, like better ones do, it will find the US stations too. By 'narrower' I think they mean audio bandwidth, not modulation bandwidth. i.e. instead of 40 to 15khz, the output of the tuner will be 60 to 10khz or so. This will make it sound like an old AM radio to us. Maybe a brave soul will buy one and let us all know.
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Guys, there are *lots* for sale on Ebay germany www.ebay.de - just search for "audio 10 cd"
Be aware that the audio-10 is in some way coded to the car, and therefore Id expect that a MB dealer has to code it using their star-diagnosis system
Cheers
R
Be aware that the audio-10 is in some way coded to the car, and therefore Id expect that a MB dealer has to code it using their star-diagnosis system
Cheers
R
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Just installed a Becker BE6021 in my 2002 C230K, works great.
No reprogramming of the car's electronics was required.
The steering wheel controls and MFD all work fine. THe Radio has RDS, but I was surprised to see how few stations have RDS here.
THe MFD even displays the station name if it is RDS capable.
THe install took about 45 mins, the cabling is 100% plug and play.
FM step is .1MHz, so no problems there. The AM step is 9kHz, so some of my stations don't work, but the AM tuner is not too selective, and I can receive 820 when tuned to 819. Maybe someone in Europe with this unit in his Owners' Manual will be kind enough to let us know the menu access tricks, if any.
Nice feature is that you can set the bass, treble, fader and balance for each individual preset, as well as for the CD player.
No reprogramming of the car's electronics was required.
The steering wheel controls and MFD all work fine. THe Radio has RDS, but I was surprised to see how few stations have RDS here.
THe MFD even displays the station name if it is RDS capable.
THe install took about 45 mins, the cabling is 100% plug and play.
FM step is .1MHz, so no problems there. The AM step is 9kHz, so some of my stations don't work, but the AM tuner is not too selective, and I can receive 820 when tuned to 819. Maybe someone in Europe with this unit in his Owners' Manual will be kind enough to let us know the menu access tricks, if any.
Nice feature is that you can set the bass, treble, fader and balance for each individual preset, as well as for the CD player.
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I bought mine from a user of the MBNZ.org forum - a private individual. He bought it from another private individual, but I believe you can buy them direct from MB in the UK - I have pasted in the text from a post on another forum:
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I found the MBZ in dash single CD player in the UK for £285.68 or approx $412.81. This is the AM/FM/CD player that comes standard in some countries. It looks similar to the tape unit except it has a CD slot over the display.
To order the In dash CD player ask for Darren Meredith on: +44 (0) 116 2480 395 or email: W108051@mercedes-benz-parts.co.uk
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Cheers
Raymond
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I found the MBZ in dash single CD player in the UK for £285.68 or approx $412.81. This is the AM/FM/CD player that comes standard in some countries. It looks similar to the tape unit except it has a CD slot over the display.
To order the In dash CD player ask for Darren Meredith on: +44 (0) 116 2480 395 or email: W108051@mercedes-benz-parts.co.uk
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Cheers
Raymond
