C-Class (W203) 2001-2007, C160, C180, C200, C220, C230, C240, C270, C280, C300, C320, C230K, C350, Coupe

Lack of power especially when cold

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Mar 29, 2015 | 07:56 AM
  #1  
derekpayne's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
C180 W203
Lack of power especially when cold

Had a fault appear the other evening out of the blue.

Started up as normal went to pull away slowly as the road where I park is very uneven, and felt something not right, the engine was popping etc as if it was running too weak, after about 30 seconds the engine warning light came on, and a message came on the dash saying that there was a fault with the ESP circuit. I checked the codes when I got home and I have a recurring one which states that there is a fault with the "secondary air injection system" I have had this intermittent fault for the last 3 years and just clear the fault and carry on until it comes on again. The other fault was something different and I accidently cleared it without making a note of it and although the problem is still there the fault code hasn't appeared since.

I did look at the live data and every so often when I rev the engine it says there is a fault with the o2 sensor, which I think is causing the fault with the secondary air injection system, but could the o2 sensor cause the latest fault?

I have read some other posts about lateral acceleration sensor where is that and what does it do? I am a qualified HGV technician but have been out of it for about 15 years and things seem to be getting more complex than I was used to.

I will post back if and when I get any more codes.

Cheer

Just a small update.

I have been driving the car today and no faults codes have appeared yet, but I can say that it is ok driving with light throttle but as soon as I push the throttle down to accelerate it can act like it is running too weak and hesitate etc, I think the ESP fault was just a coincidence as I was driving over rough terrain at the time when it started running rough.

It almost feels like its got fuel starvation.

Could it be the o2 sensor or the Mass Airflow meter?
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2015 | 11:21 AM
  #2  
derekpayne's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
C180 W203
Live sensor check

Did a live sensor check with the following results:

Fuel System 1 Status: closed loop, o2 sensor fault (this fluctuates between open loop (driving conditions) and closed loop o2 fault, if I rev the engine to about 3000 rpm and return to idle)

(all the following results are at idle)

Absolute throttle position 3.5%

Calculated load value 24.3%

Intake manifold pressure 41kpa

Airflow rate (MAF sensor) 3.5g/s

Short term fuel trim (bank1) +19.5%

Long term fuel trim (bank1) +13.3%

I am of the opinion that the O2 (Lambda) sensor is the culprit and have ordered one from ebay will post when fitted to see if it cures it.

Any other comments would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Reply
Old Apr 4, 2015 | 04:56 PM
  #3  
derekpayne's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
C180 W203
I have now fitted a new MAF and O2 sensor, and the problem is still there anyone got any ideas?

Just to add to this, the problem started suddenly one day, I had driven to work, parked for the day and when I started it up and went to pull away I noticed the problem, maybe that will help in the diagnosis?

Cheers
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2015 | 05:57 PM
  #4  
BBEXOTICS's Avatar
Newbie
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
When is the last time you changed fuel filter????
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2015 | 04:24 AM
  #5  
derekpayne's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
C180 W203
I delved a bit further this morning, tried blanking off various pipes to see if it made any difference, nothing changed, all the vacuum pipes look OK as far as I can see. I can hear some hissing noises from behind the dash panel on occasions, is the heating and ventilation controlled by vacuum? If so it could be a leaking pipe etc causing a vacuum leak. The engine ticks over OK and as I have said before under light throttle it will rev ok but as soon as I floor the pedal it will pop back through the inlet manifold and can in fact stall.

I have fitted the old MAF for now as the new one made no difference, and will wait to see if anyone else suggests anything else to check.

Oh by the way the fuel filter was changed late last year.
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2015 | 06:03 AM
  #6  
derekpayne's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
C180 W203
Just another idea, what is the item in the picture? When the engine is up to running temp I can hear and feel it ticking and there are some pipes runing to it.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...406_094424.jpg
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2015 | 12:03 PM
  #7  
derekpayne's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
C180 W203
Another thing that I havn't checked yet and is rather fundamental is the fuel pump!! Does anyone know what pressure it's supposed to work at, the more I think about the symptoms the more I think it could be at fault.
Reply
Old Apr 7, 2015 | 04:26 PM
  #8  
derekpayne's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
C180 W203
Just an update:

I checked the fuel pressure to the injector rail and sometimes when I turn the ignition on it pumps to about 20 psi, sometimes it doesn't pump at all, when I crank the engine it sometimes pumps to about 25 - 30 psi and sometimes to 50 psi, which makes me believe that the fuel pump is failing as from the research I have done it should pump at 55 psi?

So do I buy a new fuel pump or is there something else that is stopping it from getting to the correct pressure, bearing in mind that the fuel filter was changed about 3000 miles ago and everything has been fine up to just last week.

Your help is greatly appreciated.
Reply
MB World Stories

The Best of Mercedes & AMG

story-0

New Electric Mercedes-AMG GT 4-Door Coupe Unveiled: 10 Things You Need to Know

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

6 Mercedes Models That Did NOT Age Well (But Are Somehow Still Cool)

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Apr 7, 2015 | 06:36 PM
  #9  
samaritrey's Avatar
Super Moderator
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 5,295
Likes: 22
From: VA
THE C350
I would check your fuel filter as from my understanding it has the pressure regulator in it and I have heard of people having issues with them.
What brand of filter did you use?
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2015 | 03:51 AM
  #10  
derekpayne's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
C180 W203
I can't remember seeing any wires to the filter, only 4 pipes?
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2015 | 01:34 PM
  #11  
samaritrey's Avatar
Super Moderator
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 5,295
Likes: 22
From: VA
THE C350
Doesn't need wires what brand filter was it?
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2015 | 04:19 AM
  #12  
derekpayne's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
C180 W203
I checked my records when the fuel filter was changed and it was September 2013, I didn't realise that it was 18 months ago, how time flies, so I have now changed it again with a new one, but the problem still exists will be fitting a new fuel pump tomorrow evening.
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2015 | 04:26 PM
  #13  
derekpayne's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
C180 W203
Major update!!

Replaced the fuel pump tonight with a Bosch one, fault cured, I didn't have a fuel pressure tester to fit this vehicle but I did have a Snap-On oil pressure tester which was capable of measuring upwards of 55psi and managed to adapt it to plug into the hose that feeds the main injector fuel rail, and it was that which indicated to me that because of the huge variations in pressure either the fuel filter or pump was at fault, obviously it was cheaper to change the filter first plus it was due anyway, but it was the pump in the end which was failing!!

My wife is so pleased because I was a bear with a sore head for the last couple of weeks, as I hate it when I can't diagnose something.

Cheers
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2015 | 09:31 PM
  #14  
samaritrey's Avatar
Super Moderator
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 5,295
Likes: 22
From: VA
THE C350
Awesome good to hear!! Now get that wife a nice dinner/night out!!
Reply

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:23 PM.

story-0
New Electric Mercedes-AMG GT 4-Door Coupe Unveiled: 10 Things You Need to Know

Slideshow: Mercedes-AMG's new electric GT 4-Door Coupe trades combustion for software, synthetic noise, and more than 1,100 horsepower.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-20 20:08:15


VIEW MORE
story-1
6 Mercedes Models That Did NOT Age Well (But Are Somehow Still Cool)

Slideshow: Not every Mercedes design becomes timeless, some feel stuck in the era they came from.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:09:07


VIEW MORE
story-2
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun

Slideshow: Yes, Mercedes built manual cars, and some of them are far more interesting than you'd expect.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-02 12:36:58


VIEW MORE
story-3
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren

Slideshow: A one-of-one U.S.-spec Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Roadster became even rarer after a factory-backed transformation at McLaren's headquarters.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-29 11:19:28


VIEW MORE
story-4
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

Slideshow: Before curves took over, Mercedes mastered the art of the straight line, and some of those shapes still look right today.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-25 12:05:49


VIEW MORE
story-5
Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction

Slideshow: The 190E Evolution II shows how a homologation necessity became a six-figure collector icon.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-22 17:53:47


VIEW MORE
story-6
Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know

Slideshow: Mercedes is turning one of its core nameplates electric, and the details show just how serious this shift is.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:58:06


VIEW MORE
story-7
Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know

Slideshow: Faster charging, longer range, and a controversial steer-by-wire system define the latest evolution of Mercedes-Benz EQS.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-15 10:35:34


VIEW MORE
story-8
5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve

Slideshow: These overlooked Mercedes-Benz models never got the spotlight, but they quietly delivered more than most remember.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-13 19:35:45


VIEW MORE
story-9
Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping

Slideshow: A well-used 1991 Mercedes-Benz 300D with more than one million miles is now looking for a new owner, and it still appears ready for more.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-10 10:05:15


VIEW MORE