how is it that some members still think that kineda wasnt selling those CF kits? he specifically says that the kits will cost $800-$3000 depending on the number of the CF pieces you want and the detail of the pieces....

until he actually got banned, i always thought he was a paying sponsor since he solicited other sales without getting banned.

 

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Originally posted by otoupalik
Well, his actions sure say he gives a hoot. Or else he woudl not have put all his friends up to posting all over the web about this situation!
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He didn't. The reaction was spontaneous.>>>>

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Actually we're his Droogies, like in Clockwork Orange, out for a little of the old ultraviolence, and the old in and out....uh sure.

No, spontaeuous for sure. No one put me up to it.
I think it's more that I see a trend in this country towards censorship, and like they say, Think Globally, Act Locally.

Since these forums are one of my main forms of 'entertainment' ,
I mean I don't play video games, and my attention span is too short to read a novel, well he I am. Thats and being a true gear head. I never thought I would be modding my car....but because of the 2 forums...well I have a new hobby, as in my car. Pretty sad really... Well my lady is my other hobby, and music.
She knows not to say anything when I buy presents for my
baby, like AMG brakes. "Well honey, I can stop faster, and that could be enough to avoid an accident, and the shop wanted 660 just for PADS!!" True statement.

PS. Thanks for the brakes....arrived in perfect condition.

 

 

BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

Playing both sides of the fence now eh? Trying to redeem yourself here since you got called out on the "other" forum?

Please .... spare me your thoughts as flips more often than a light switch.

 

im neutral on the banning. kineda's CF doesnt affect me. we dont sell CF for benz yet. and the one im having made for myself is for the sedan not the coupe. i know that process of warning before banning because I myself have been warned 2 times prior to becoming a sponsor.

im just upset that my threads were deleted for no apparent reason. and it was on a totally unrelated topic.

 

please keep us informed about the carbon interior...and the puddle lights....and the FRONT GRILL that you said you were going to get made....

 

well i already anounced that i wasnt making the skirt lights cuz i cant produce it cheaper than kineda is offering it for. so it would be better off to buy it from him.

i dont know where to get the grill made. but my CF steering wheel and interior are in the process of being made now.

jim i sense a hint of cynism in your post. do you have something that you need to tell me?

 

no i just really want the front grill...i asked my body shop if he could make me one...but it would req. a mold so the plastic and fiber glass would stick and not crack..and its just too much work..i really like the carbon grill

 

well the only person who has made it so far is TWS. i dunno how they made it. id like to find out. but im sure its gonna be really costly. ive slowed down on the modding cuz im getting rid of the car soon.

 

Hey Mike....

Didn't you just say Evosport sucks on the "other" forum??

From page 8 of the MBworld Flamefest thread on the "other" forum.

You better chill before Robert has to make some phone calls again.
I don't think it's too good for business when you don't support the company that owns this board.

Who's side are you on man? haha

 

i was pissed. they deleted my threads. and that wasnt the first time either. robert doesnt need to make phone calls to explain my actions. who are you? you obviously know who we are. why dont you come out from hiding behind the anonymity of a new screen name?

 

Haha... Not hiding. I've been using this screen name for 4 years.

Name's Lloyd... search on Google for ChaoticS4.... you'll find me easy.

Same email and everything.

 

aahh. kineda's partner. that would explain the hostility.

 

What I would do here, if I had the strength, would be to allow "Kineda" to have his name back here, provided he agrees to follow the rules, public and private. The fact that he was banned for private reasons is politics, and of course the populace was up in arms...

Solve it in private. I have actually been in an online war that ended up in threats of lawsuits, and I was banned, but a simple phone call had me and the other party laughing and making amends, and we were both glad it was over, and we moved forward.

One of you needs to be the stronger party and make the phone call. Neither of you wants this, and you will both grow stronger because of the humility, strength, and fortitude, one of you shows; however, the ball is in MBworld's court, for obvious reasons.

So, someone here needs to step up and be a man. I just came in here, but I got a coupe from you guys, and Kineda's forum helped me out with sway bars and cup kits, so I am torn betweenn this "temporary disagreement" between friends...
Whether "Kineda" decides to post again here would be up to him, but his name should be allowed back.

Many sometimes confuse pride with strength, but it is humility, that is real strength. Anger is weakness, and forgiveness is strength.

I ramble. I will delete this tomorrow morning.

 

Brad,

Thanks for the explaination. But I still have one problem. So he solicited your sponsors or someone to sell this stuff for him? At lest that is how it sounds. It sounds to me he was trying to do the right thing and make some money at it. That is the Amercian Way after all. He contacts your sponsors and wants to know if they will sell his stuff? Is this the correct assumption? So how is that bad? The sponsor gets to sell something people want and it is not the forum user selling directly to other users. So yeah he is an importer but he is not selling directly, he is selling indirectly via a sponsor!!! Which they apparantly did not make an agreement to do. Now I am not going to go back and re-read the TOU, but is there a place in there that states specifically not to solicit the sponsors to sell your own Stuff? Because if not then you are doing this for other reasons. I am all for rules and regulations I just want to have a better understanding of what went on and what was trully the violation. Because now you seem to make it sound like you were in the wrong, because he was not directly offering these for sale and pointing to a place to buy them. I mean if I come up with something cool and I see interest in it, I may have done the same and contacted a Sponsor to see if they want to sell it for me. That way we both make money and everyone should be happy. But by the way you make it sound, it would be frowned upon and I would be banned and all evidence wiped out. Please let me know if I am wrong and where I am missing the big picture. I like both forums as both are informative in there own way, so this is not a try to free Terry thing. I want to know and that is about it. I don't know either of you in a way that would make me change anything. But I do like both sides and as much truth as humanly possible, so I can make my own judgement on the issue at hand.

 

Hey I rmember that name from the S4 board...Nogaro with the CH's?

 

 

mctwin2kman,

Brad has already pointed out direct solicitations of our members through MBWorld, including the post in question. The points you mention were only posted in response to others repeatedly saying that Kineda was not selling "his" carbon fiber.

Thanks!

Ben

 

I have a question;


I am in the process of building some suspension components and a harness bar for my coupe. These items would be easy to duplicate, and cannot currently be obtained elsewhere. Since no one else is making them, I would be the sole source of these products.

I never would have thought, that if I posted pictures of these parts, and people asked me if I could duplicate them, you guys would have an issue with me selling the parts to other forum members.

Would this be a violation of the TOU? Would it only be an violation if I had approached EvoSport about resale?


Honestly.

 

I think the issue in question is being misinterpreted, which may be leading to questions such as those.

Simply put, if a member wishes to directly profit (financially) off of others on this board, than they need to sponsor. If a member wants to say, "Hey, check out my new interior," that is fine. Kineda crossed the line in that particular thread by adding that he carries the product and to contact him for more information. It was not until that point that this thread became a sales pitch.

If you post information, without attempting to profit off of it, than you should have nothing to worry about. Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with approaching evosport or other vendors for resale, in fact, I'm sure our sponsors would appreciate that. Kineda crossed the line by posting in attempts to directly profit off of it.

Thanks,

Ben

 

I do not know Terry well enough to KNOW that he would have the same intensions as me. However, I think most of you (particularly YOU GUYS) know how enthusiastic I am about getting more people into motorsports.

I would absolutely have said, "These are easy to duplicate and no one I know of is making them. If anyone is interested in a full set or any specific component, shoot me an email."

Of course any profit off of this would be beneficial to my income. So why would I not sell them? I guess I am saying that I am not sure you would've handled this the same with me.

I've "solicited" this board for people to join organizations, people have organized and posted "Tool Funds", etc. Intentions aside, where is the line drawn? This was previously unclear, at least to me.


The point --> Which is what I think highlights where this whole thing became fuzzy.

 

I have e-mailed Kineda and told him that same that I have said here. If he choses to play by the rules, he will be allowed back. There is nothing personal against him, it is about the rules. He was banned for violating them. If he agrees to not do so in the future, he will be allowed back, simple as that.

Thanks

Brad

 

LOL, no, I think you missed the point. There is NOTHING wrong with selling! That was just evidence that it IS a business (as MANY have tried to deny).

The problem is ONLY with that fact that he was trying to sell here, in a thread HE started! Heck, it would have even ben OK if someone else started the thread and then Kineda posted and said that it was his. The problem is ONLY that he is a business, he started the thread, he posted sales related info in a thread he started, etc. That is a STRICT violation of the rules, plain and simple.

He are all about sharing info, what he are not about is letting people runing businesses start threads to promote thier products without following the same rules that the other sponsors have to. Especially when it is the members SECOND episode. Yes, he did this same type of thing about a year ago as well.

Kineda does give a lot to the boad, and if he had not blown off the mod who PM'ed him and then attack him in the thread, making derogatory comments about a mod doing his job, then Kineda would have been warned (for the 7th time) rather then banned.

This is the second episode with Terry. Once over a year ago, and then again now. He knows the rules, and chose to break them. I wish he would not have. Again, even if he had not blown off Awiner in the PM's, he woudl not have been banned.

It sucks, but the rules are the rules. He violated them, knowingly! He was given a chance to rectify this, and rather then change his post, he chose to PM back Awiner with "don't pick on me."

If he plays by the same rules that all of you do, he can come back, that would be all of our preference!

Thanks

Brad

 

If you amke parts for resale and post them as "for sale" here without sponsoring or clearing it with the mods/admins, yes it is a violaltion.

This has NOTHING to do with evosport.

Thanks

Brad

 

From what I've read above, even that's not entirely clear, from what I understand, selling is not allowed without sponsorship when:

1. You're doing it as a business
2. You're making a profit from that business

One of the noticable problems I saw with this was something as simple as the AMG bezel xcfisher offers to sell. Basically he sells it so cheap that he doens't make a profit off it, and only offered it for sale to the rest of us to be nice after we saw his and liked it. This would violate the TOS, yet is part of the "fun factor" in moding cars - having a wide variety of sources of cool parts at cheap prices!

I think more restraint needs to be dealt with when things like this happen. If blantant advertizing occurs, take it down, yet when this subtle advertizing occurs, taking down the thread and posting warning stickys to the forum would be a nicer way to deal with it rather than full-out bans.

Losing first Steve, then Terry and almost Lynn is a huge blow to our C-class community as they are some of the most informative people we have. Checkout the recent influx into Terry's website and decline in posting in this forum to see what impact this has had.

We're not always just members, we're customers too, and the customer is always right.