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02-03-2004, 07:17 PM
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Just to point out a few lines from the TOU which I think apply:
Now if someone is posting pictures of something that they are the sole importer of, and is sure to make money from the sale of, then how can anyone not agree that this is advertising?
For those of you who say that you saw the post and claim it said nothing about advertising, I ask if you saw ALL of the posts, because it was posted in multiple forums across MBWORLD.
One more note from the TOU:
As is the case in just about every forum I've ever visited.
You agree, through your use of the Discussion Forums, that advertising on MBWorld.org will only be permitted by officially recognized site sponsors and advertisers. Advertising includes, but is not limited to, direct and indirect solicitation of business in posts, business contact information, use of corporate logos, or use of any language or image that can be construed as an advertisement. Posting is defined by posts in forums, signature files, personal messages and e-mails sent from MBWorld.org.
For those of you who say that you saw the post and claim it said nothing about advertising, I ask if you saw ALL of the posts, because it was posted in multiple forums across MBWORLD.
One more note from the TOU:
The owners and administrators of MBWorld.org Forums have the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.
02-03-2004, 09:06 PM
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I believe the problem here is that this forum is being run like a business. There was some mention before about not linking to "competing" forums... that brings up the issue, what is the purpose of this site? Is it to draw revenue and promote the admins' associated business, evosport, or is it to provide a community for M-B owners to discuss and learn about their vehicles? Or do both and try to balance the two?
It seems that on other forums (a certain one that ended up in trouble w/ MBUSA, and another that is a subject of discussion here) there is a more open atmosphere where members are free to share information/links/show deals regardless of whether it is or is not in the best interest of the primary/secondary sponsors.
Obviously it the right of the administrators to run the site as they see fit, however IMO its not the best way to endear possible customers to the sponsors.
Of course all of this is just my opinion and probably doesn't hold much weight with anyone...
It seems that on other forums (a certain one that ended up in trouble w/ MBUSA, and another that is a subject of discussion here) there is a more open atmosphere where members are free to share information/links/show deals regardless of whether it is or is not in the best interest of the primary/secondary sponsors.
Obviously it the right of the administrators to run the site as they see fit, however IMO its not the best way to endear possible customers to the sponsors.
Of course all of this is just my opinion and probably doesn't hold much weight with anyone...
02-03-2004, 09:16 PM
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ones too fast according to CHP!
We try to balance the two the best we can. The issue is that we are MUCH larger then the other MBZ forums and as such we have a much greater cost and associated fees. Without sponsors, we woudl not be up.
Don't be led to beleive you cannot share info! You, as a private member, not a business, can post ANY info you want about ANY vendor, product, etc.
It is only when businesses try to steal free advertising, and only after they ignore our warnings that they get into trouble.
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Don't be led to beleive you cannot share info! You, as a private member, not a business, can post ANY info you want about ANY vendor, product, etc.
It is only when businesses try to steal free advertising, and only after they ignore our warnings that they get into trouble.
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02-03-2004, 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by otoupalik
The issue is that we are MUCH larger then the other MBZ forums
Brad
The issue is that we are MUCH larger then the other MBZ forums
Brad
Members:
mbworld 13,080
benzworld 15,674
mercedesshop 15,688
As of 8:26 PM Central Standard Time
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02-03-2004, 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by Lynn
Members:
mbworld 13,080
benzworld 15,674
mercedesshop 15,688
As of 8:26 PM Central Standard Time
Members:
mbworld 13,080
benzworld 15,674
mercedesshop 15,688
As of 8:26 PM Central Standard Time
02-03-2004, 09:37 PM
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You better check the numbers. mbworld is busier but not greatly. There are about 15 or 16% more posts here than mercedesshop and about 8% more than benzworld. Most people would say that is somewhat bigger, not much bigger.
And if you remove the amount of crap posted by the post ****** in the off topic forum, those numbers are much closer.
And if you remove the amount of crap posted by the post ****** in the off topic forum, those numbers are much closer.
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02-03-2004, 09:43 PM
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I am a regular at MercedesShop also, their off-topic (named Open Discussion) is not filled with junk, which could single handedly account for the jump in activity here.
But to be fair MercedesShop has a much different focus than MBWorld or benzworld.
But to be fair MercedesShop has a much different focus than MBWorld or benzworld.
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02-03-2004, 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by Petie
forget the number of members, compare the activity on the aforementioned forums, MBWorld gets 100 times the activity....
forget the number of members, compare the activity on the aforementioned forums, MBWorld gets 100 times the activity....
02-03-2004, 09:56 PM
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Without getting too far into it. I simply think MBWorld has become too restricted. 1 kb uploads, no cross linking, and generally, it has lead to more useful information being found more easily on other forums.
It is just a suggestion, but maybe this forum could use a turn back to for the "community", not for the "market segment"
Even if this is not intentional, even if this is not entirely true. Please remember that PERCEPTION often outweighs truth. We don't, and would likely never know the truth, but this has left an impression.
It is just a suggestion, but maybe this forum could use a turn back to for the "community", not for the "market segment"
Even if this is not intentional, even if this is not entirely true. Please remember that PERCEPTION often outweighs truth. We don't, and would likely never know the truth, but this has left an impression.
02-03-2004, 10:08 PM
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I know this has been beat to death, but I have to chime in and say that the perception here, and perhaps the reality, is that MBWorld has become more than a bit stuffy lately.
Drew, Kineda, and now supposedly Lynn leaving. Plenty of other users banned over this thread.
Guys, this is not good for the online community. You and your sponsors depend on the people who come here to buy products, at least some of them anyway....so why make it such an unfriendly enviroment here? As a Coupe owner, I feel its fair to point out that weve taken plenty of potshots from the 'superior' sedan crowd in the past. Which makes me wonder what's left to interest C-Coupe owners here? They people who make reading the posts interesting are either getting banned or are leaving.
And one more thing...
That constitutes taking pot shots at a moderator? Please tell me there is more to this case then that. I agree with Xeon and others that this was handled very POORLY.
Drew, Kineda, and now supposedly Lynn leaving. Plenty of other users banned over this thread.
Guys, this is not good for the online community. You and your sponsors depend on the people who come here to buy products, at least some of them anyway....so why make it such an unfriendly enviroment here? As a Coupe owner, I feel its fair to point out that weve taken plenty of potshots from the 'superior' sedan crowd in the past. Which makes me wonder what's left to interest C-Coupe owners here? They people who make reading the posts interesting are either getting banned or are leaving.
And one more thing...
Please stop picking on my posts.
02-03-2004, 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by otoupalik
Might not, but it shows that you are NOT being truthful about what you are posting!
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Might not, but it shows that you are NOT being truthful about what you are posting!
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02-03-2004, 11:42 PM
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The Off-Topic forum consists of 44% of the posts on this board. Perhaps you guys should change the name to RedSLKchick.org?
The Off-Topic forum consists of 44% of the posts on this board. Perhaps you guys should change the name to RedSLKchick.org?
02-04-2004, 09:18 AM
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First of all I have to say i disagree with this comment....... the customer is always right? Where do you work? at the certain chain with a smiley face? Do you run a business you own? DO you have any ideas regarding the pressures etc? So please don't start preaching about "the customer is always right." I think too m any people take this for granted and assume that every business should give them the lowest price and bend over backwards while they are at it. As I have said before, ultimately it is evo's website. Don't like it? then leave. In all fairness, most of the people that have been b*tching about this are the same ones who tried to raise hell and got pissy about the group buy situation. THey jumped on the bandwagon before getting all the facts. I feel they managed to exacerbate this situation rather than try to rectify it. I still don't have ALL of the facts but everyone incessantly b*tching about it isn't going to help solve the problem.
First of all I have to say i disagree with this comment....... the customer is always right? Where do you work? at the certain chain with a smiley face? Do you run a business you own? DO you have any ideas regarding the pressures etc? So please don't start preaching about "the customer is always right." I think too m any people take this for granted and assume that every business should give them the lowest price and bend over backwards while they are at it. As I have said before, ultimately it is evo's website. Don't like it? then leave. In all fairness, most of the people that have been b*tching about this are the same ones who tried to raise hell and got pissy about the group buy situation. THey jumped on the bandwagon before getting all the facts. I feel they managed to exacerbate this situation rather than try to rectify it. I still don't have ALL of the facts but everyone incessantly b*tching about it isn't going to help solve the problem.
In a time where its easy to get information as a customer, a business's reputation is everything. Look at the car dealer stories here and how certain members have shunned and even gone elsewhere to buy/service their cars based on members advice.
The management here represents all their sponsors, thus when management of this site deals with us members in inappropriate manner it reflects badly on all their sponsors. Looking at the popularity of Terrys site, all the negative feedback, and the people citing they'll never do business with a MB world sponsor again, this site should be worried. Not only have they done their sponsors a dis-service, they might infact have done themselves a dis-service if the sponsors feels they lose enough business to not want to associate themselves with this site any longer.
"The customer is always right" should be taken to heart, cause bad publicity, waranteed or not, will ultimately affect your bottom line as a business owner, and thus the one-tie loss of dealing with a potentially bad customer outweighs the repeated loss of future customers turned away.
02-04-2004, 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by otoupalik
Nope, a bit off, once again I will walk through the chronology step by step so there is no confusion (thanks for being patient and mature, unlike others here!)
1. Terry posted the items in a thread he started. The thread contained text that he was the exclusive importer and that we would be selling them. He also included pricing, and asked people to contact him directly.
2. A moderator PM'ed him and asked him to remove/edit his post.
3. Terry and Mach430 spoke, and Mach430 asked Terry to do the same. Terry then proceeded to discuss the product with Mach430. He confirmed that he is in this as a business and wished to sell directly to us and other shops. Mach430 confirmed that this conversation also took place with another sponsor.
4. Terry then responded to Awiner (mod) to "stop picking on his posts" and that he was discussing selling the kits to evosport. Well, that has no impact on the rules to the board.
5. Terry took "pot-shot's" at the mod on the thread.
6. Terry was sent an add-pack and asked to sponsor or alter/delete his post. he refused
7. After his refusals to comply with the rules, the concrete evidence that he is a business in this regard and his disrespect to a mod, he was banned.
This is all with the background that Terry also did the same thing about a year ago with a for-profit car show he was doing.
The rules are clear. We gave him multiple chances to fix the violation, and he did not. He was banned.
Now, as for making a product, if you want to sell it on this forum, you need to sponsor the site or at least get the approval of the mods/admins.
THAT IS NOT WITHIN THE RULES!!!!!!!!!
Soliciting sales, via post or PM is AGAINST THE RULES.
I thought this was clear.
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Nope, a bit off, once again I will walk through the chronology step by step so there is no confusion (thanks for being patient and mature, unlike others here!)
1. Terry posted the items in a thread he started. The thread contained text that he was the exclusive importer and that we would be selling them. He also included pricing, and asked people to contact him directly.
2. A moderator PM'ed him and asked him to remove/edit his post.
3. Terry and Mach430 spoke, and Mach430 asked Terry to do the same. Terry then proceeded to discuss the product with Mach430. He confirmed that he is in this as a business and wished to sell directly to us and other shops. Mach430 confirmed that this conversation also took place with another sponsor.
4. Terry then responded to Awiner (mod) to "stop picking on his posts" and that he was discussing selling the kits to evosport. Well, that has no impact on the rules to the board.
5. Terry took "pot-shot's" at the mod on the thread.
6. Terry was sent an add-pack and asked to sponsor or alter/delete his post. he refused
7. After his refusals to comply with the rules, the concrete evidence that he is a business in this regard and his disrespect to a mod, he was banned.
This is all with the background that Terry also did the same thing about a year ago with a for-profit car show he was doing.
The rules are clear. We gave him multiple chances to fix the violation, and he did not. He was banned.
Now, as for making a product, if you want to sell it on this forum, you need to sponsor the site or at least get the approval of the mods/admins.
THAT IS NOT WITHIN THE RULES!!!!!!!!!
Soliciting sales, via post or PM is AGAINST THE RULES.
I thought this was clear.
Thanks
Brad
Thanks, that makes more sense now and is understandable. It seems by what you are both saying is that all Terry needed to do to comply with the rules was to edit out a line in his post. He did not so here we all are. Sounds totally understandable no matter how you look at it. Thank you once again for explaining. I am truly satisfied and will go on with my posting pleasure at both sites.
One more thing for everyone else, it seems that this could have been avoided very easily and it was not. Too bad really.
02-04-2004, 02:36 PM
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The problem with brads statement is that it is untrue. Terry did not post what brad said. That one line in his post never existed on the forums. So he was complying with rules. Brad is just trying to figure out ways around it at this point.
02-04-2004, 02:46 PM
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pansyboy8,
We have collected many emails/PM's from varies members with direct sales solicitation from Kineda through MBWorld. Please reread this thread, as many facts have been posted between Brad, myself, and others, that are continously being overlooked by a select few.
We do not enjoy banning anybody. With over 13,000 members, less than 10 have been banned (other than those who simply register to spam, etc). Rules are rules, and unfortunately, some choose not to comply and/or attempt to work around them. Kineda broke the rules on numerous occasions, and as a result was banned.
We have collected many emails/PM's from varies members with direct sales solicitation from Kineda through MBWorld. Please reread this thread, as many facts have been posted between Brad, myself, and others, that are continously being overlooked by a select few.
We do not enjoy banning anybody. With over 13,000 members, less than 10 have been banned (other than those who simply register to spam, etc). Rules are rules, and unfortunately, some choose not to comply and/or attempt to work around them. Kineda broke the rules on numerous occasions, and as a result was banned.
02-04-2004, 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by Mach430
pansyboy8,
We have collected many emails/PM's from varies members with direct sales solicitation from Kineda through MBWorld. Please reread this thread, as many facts have been posted between Brad, myself, and others, that are continously being overlooked by a select few.
We do not enjoy banning anybody. With over 13,000 members, less than 10 have been banned (other than those who simply register to spam, etc). Rules are rules, and unfortunately, some choose not to comply and/or attempt to work around them. Kineda broke the rules on numerous occasions, and as a result was banned.
pansyboy8,
We have collected many emails/PM's from varies members with direct sales solicitation from Kineda through MBWorld. Please reread this thread, as many facts have been posted between Brad, myself, and others, that are continously being overlooked by a select few.
We do not enjoy banning anybody. With over 13,000 members, less than 10 have been banned (other than those who simply register to spam, etc). Rules are rules, and unfortunately, some choose not to comply and/or attempt to work around them. Kineda broke the rules on numerous occasions, and as a result was banned.
I followed that thread pretty closely, and cannot remember a single sentence about 'I'm selling this' or 'I'm importing this', etc. Although I am not 100% sure, but here's a good piece of testimony saying that it wasn't in his posts (since nobody seems to want to post the original thread).
After I saw his post that he had been warned by the mods not to say anything about where it was available, etc., I posted this on the other forum:
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Okay, some questions (and since this is your own forum, maybe you can answer them ):
Is this a one-off, or are they going to offer it as regular item?
Are you going to be handling sales for it?
Can you give us an estimated price range if it's going to be an offered item?
Do you have to send in your old parts to be wrapped (steering wheel, obviously), or are they all new cf parts?
Will the pieces be available individually (like if you only wanted the center console)?
TIA
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Now, obviously, this was posted after he said he would not discuss it on here. Also, why would I ask questions like "...are they going to offer it as a regular item?" and "Are you going to be handling sales for it?" if he had posted that he was selling it, to contact him, blah, blah, blah...I would have never asked those questions if he had posted the info here.
Kind of reading between the lines, I get that the admins checked out the e-mails/PM's between Kindea and others to determine that yes, he was selling it, and considered this the solicitation for sales part. If this is the case, I think we're getting into a grey area as to when the 'forum' ends, and private life begins. I agree that a PM is still within the forum, but what about if something is e-mailed to an outside address?
From my understanding, if I did a custom part I wanted to show off, but had people ask if I could make them one, I should not post it because someone could e-mail me and ask me about it, resulting in a violation of TOS. It's a slippery slope...
02-04-2004, 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by Mach430
pansyboy8,
We have collected many emails/PM's from varies members with direct sales solicitation from Kineda through MBWorld. Please reread this thread, as many facts have been posted between Brad, myself, and others, that are continously being overlooked by a select few.
We do not enjoy banning anybody. With over 13,000 members, less than 10 have been banned (other than those who simply register to spam, etc). Rules are rules, and unfortunately, some choose not to comply and/or attempt to work around them. Kineda broke the rules on numerous occasions, and as a result was banned.
pansyboy8,
We have collected many emails/PM's from varies members with direct sales solicitation from Kineda through MBWorld. Please reread this thread, as many facts have been posted between Brad, myself, and others, that are continously being overlooked by a select few.
We do not enjoy banning anybody. With over 13,000 members, less than 10 have been banned (other than those who simply register to spam, etc). Rules are rules, and unfortunately, some choose not to comply and/or attempt to work around them. Kineda broke the rules on numerous occasions, and as a result was banned.
Your responses make you all sound like idiots that can't get there stories straight. Also makes you look like you banned Terry out of spite instead of a real reason. If the information was not publically posted it should not violate anything, as far as this goes.
02-04-2004, 03:57 PM
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So let me get this straight. People PM'ed or e-mailed Terry about where to buy or to buy the CF Interior pieces, then Terry responded somehow. Then those same people that asked Terry via PM or E-Mail a question, sent your Admins or Mods a PM telling them what happened and you Banned and deleted? If this is the case I may be missing how Terry reponding in a private message or e-mail violates anything??? He did not openly post that he was selling anything then!! Now I am more confused and you guys just keep changing the reason. Maybe you all should get back together and talk this out before responding anymore, because you are only contradicting yourselves and making it sound like you banned him for something that really should not be against the rules. And I can not fathom why someone would ask him a question and then when he answers they come running to you to rat him out. Sounds like to many children here and I would much rather not think of it that way. You are not helping at all by not sticking to the same damn story. Either he openly gave information on where to obtain this CF Interior or he did not. A Private Message maybe would violate it, but that is still Private and not everyone can see it so should not violate. An e-mail is outside your control and should not even matter what transpires between two users via E-Mail that you do not control.
Your responses make you all sound like idiots that can't get there stories straight. Also makes you look like you banned Terry out of spite instead of a real reason. If the information was not publically posted it should not violate anything, as far as this goes.
So let me get this straight. People PM'ed or e-mailed Terry about where to buy or to buy the CF Interior pieces, then Terry responded somehow. Then those same people that asked Terry via PM or E-Mail a question, sent your Admins or Mods a PM telling them what happened and you Banned and deleted? If this is the case I may be missing how Terry reponding in a private message or e-mail violates anything??? He did not openly post that he was selling anything then!! Now I am more confused and you guys just keep changing the reason. Maybe you all should get back together and talk this out before responding anymore, because you are only contradicting yourselves and making it sound like you banned him for something that really should not be against the rules. And I can not fathom why someone would ask him a question and then when he answers they come running to you to rat him out. Sounds like to many children here and I would much rather not think of it that way. You are not helping at all by not sticking to the same damn story. Either he openly gave information on where to obtain this CF Interior or he did not. A Private Message maybe would violate it, but that is still Private and not everyone can see it so should not violate. An e-mail is outside your control and should not even matter what transpires between two users via E-Mail that you do not control.
Your responses make you all sound like idiots that can't get there stories straight. Also makes you look like you banned Terry out of spite instead of a real reason. If the information was not publically posted it should not violate anything, as far as this goes.
02-04-2004, 04:09 PM
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KOMPRESSORnSC,
No, Kineda's violation (in this event) was directly linked to his thread, where he:
1. Stated that he carries the item
2. Asked people to contact him for more information.
Since this debate has begun as result, emails/PM's from various members have been sent to us in order to show their support.
The fact that Kineda was using the MBWorld network through emails/PM's in attempts to directly initiate and solicit sales was discovered later, and only reinforces our previous decision based on his initial post and previous activities.
For the record, we have never checked PM's/Emails made through MBWorld without direct permission from all parties involved. In this case, it has not happened.
As for your questions:
--If you make a custom part, and want to show it off--Great!
--If people are interested in having some made for themselves--Great!
--If you plan to profit financially off of posting it on MBWorld--You need to contact the admins and/or sponsor this site.
Thanks,
Ben
No, Kineda's violation (in this event) was directly linked to his thread, where he:
1. Stated that he carries the item
2. Asked people to contact him for more information.
Since this debate has begun as result, emails/PM's from various members have been sent to us in order to show their support.
The fact that Kineda was using the MBWorld network through emails/PM's in attempts to directly initiate and solicit sales was discovered later, and only reinforces our previous decision based on his initial post and previous activities.
For the record, we have never checked PM's/Emails made through MBWorld without direct permission from all parties involved. In this case, it has not happened.
As for your questions:
--If you make a custom part, and want to show it off--Great!
--If people are interested in having some made for themselves--Great!
--If you plan to profit financially off of posting it on MBWorld--You need to contact the admins and/or sponsor this site.
Thanks,
Ben
02-04-2004, 04:13 PM
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mctwin2kman,
The story has not changed! There are simply more and more facts being discovered and added.
After numerous warnings, Kineda was banned for POSTING sales on MBWorld. This decision has since then been reinforced by PMs/Emails forwarded to us from people--initiated by Kineda. Yesterday, Kineda started a new account and actually posted in this thread--another violation!
Hope this helps!
Ben
The story has not changed! There are simply more and more facts being discovered and added.
After numerous warnings, Kineda was banned for POSTING sales on MBWorld. This decision has since then been reinforced by PMs/Emails forwarded to us from people--initiated by Kineda. Yesterday, Kineda started a new account and actually posted in this thread--another violation!
Hope this helps!
Ben
02-04-2004, 04:47 PM
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Answer this then...
And this post by one of your members
A member ASKED questions and Kineda chose to take it offline as to not violate your sacred TOU. If Kineda had provided this information, this would not have been asked by KOMPRESSORnSC.
Private emails as well as MBworld PM's (which btw was never used by terry ever) are offline topics and has no bearing in this discussion. If that's all you guys have on him... you need to make up some better lies. Even the ones you make up don't float for very long BRAD.
Originally posted by Chaoticboy
So lets say I'm a shop owner and I own a mercedes benz. I post pictures of all the mods on my car but I'm just an enthusiast who loves MBworld. Can I help it that people ask me where I get my parts from and who does my work? what makes it so different just because my occupation is a shop owner if I don't Advertise on your site... I just post pictures as an enthusiast. Would I get banned as well? I think you guys need to make up your minds as to what your rules are. Advertising is when you publicly announce that you are selling things. Just because you know I own a shop should not automatically be cause for banning me. This is the impression you are making for this site. sorry to say.
So lets say I'm a shop owner and I own a mercedes benz. I post pictures of all the mods on my car but I'm just an enthusiast who loves MBworld. Can I help it that people ask me where I get my parts from and who does my work? what makes it so different just because my occupation is a shop owner if I don't Advertise on your site... I just post pictures as an enthusiast. Would I get banned as well? I think you guys need to make up your minds as to what your rules are. Advertising is when you publicly announce that you are selling things. Just because you know I own a shop should not automatically be cause for banning me. This is the impression you are making for this site. sorry to say.
Originally posted by KOMPRESSORnSC
From the first paragraph, maybe we're getting to the real meat of this. From what I understand, it was becasue people were asking him about the cf privately through PM's & e-mails.
I followed that thread pretty closely, and cannot remember a single sentence about 'I'm selling this' or 'I'm importing this', etc. Although I am not 100% sure, but here's a good piece of testimony saying that it wasn't in his posts (since nobody seems to want to post the original thread).
After I saw his post that he had been warned by the mods not to say anything about where it was available, etc., I posted this on the other forum:
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Okay, some questions (and since this is your own forum, maybe you can answer them ):
Is this a one-off, or are they going to offer it as regular item?
Are you going to be handling sales for it?
Can you give us an estimated price range if it's going to be an offered item?
Do you have to send in your old parts to be wrapped (steering wheel, obviously), or are they all new cf parts?
Will the pieces be available individually (like if you only wanted the center console)?
TIA
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Now, obviously, this was posted after he said he would not discuss it on here. Also, why would I ask questions like "...are they going to offer it as a regular item?" and "Are you going to be handling sales for it?" if he had posted that he was selling it, to contact him, blah, blah, blah...I would have never asked those questions if he had posted the info here.
Kind of reading between the lines, I get that the admins checked out the e-mails/PM's between Kindea and others to determine that yes, he was selling it, and considered this the solicitation for sales part. If this is the case, I think we're getting into a grey area as to when the 'forum' ends, and private life begins. I agree that a PM is still within the forum, but what about if something is e-mailed to an outside address?
From my understanding, if I did a custom part I wanted to show off, but had people ask if I could make them one, I should not post it because someone could e-mail me and ask me about it, resulting in a violation of TOS. It's a slippery slope...
From the first paragraph, maybe we're getting to the real meat of this. From what I understand, it was becasue people were asking him about the cf privately through PM's & e-mails.
I followed that thread pretty closely, and cannot remember a single sentence about 'I'm selling this' or 'I'm importing this', etc. Although I am not 100% sure, but here's a good piece of testimony saying that it wasn't in his posts (since nobody seems to want to post the original thread).
After I saw his post that he had been warned by the mods not to say anything about where it was available, etc., I posted this on the other forum:
____________
Okay, some questions (and since this is your own forum, maybe you can answer them ):
Is this a one-off, or are they going to offer it as regular item?
Are you going to be handling sales for it?
Can you give us an estimated price range if it's going to be an offered item?
Do you have to send in your old parts to be wrapped (steering wheel, obviously), or are they all new cf parts?
Will the pieces be available individually (like if you only wanted the center console)?
TIA
___________
Now, obviously, this was posted after he said he would not discuss it on here. Also, why would I ask questions like "...are they going to offer it as a regular item?" and "Are you going to be handling sales for it?" if he had posted that he was selling it, to contact him, blah, blah, blah...I would have never asked those questions if he had posted the info here.
Kind of reading between the lines, I get that the admins checked out the e-mails/PM's between Kindea and others to determine that yes, he was selling it, and considered this the solicitation for sales part. If this is the case, I think we're getting into a grey area as to when the 'forum' ends, and private life begins. I agree that a PM is still within the forum, but what about if something is e-mailed to an outside address?
From my understanding, if I did a custom part I wanted to show off, but had people ask if I could make them one, I should not post it because someone could e-mail me and ask me about it, resulting in a violation of TOS. It's a slippery slope...
Private emails as well as MBworld PM's (which btw was never used by terry ever) are offline topics and has no bearing in this discussion. If that's all you guys have on him... you need to make up some better lies. Even the ones you make up don't float for very long BRAD.
02-04-2004, 05:00 PM
#175
Look Chaoticboy,
You have already admitted on other boards to being friends with Kineda, it is no wonder that you will not let this die. I would not be surprised if he is fueling every post you write! You purposely ignore everything Ben/Brad say, and could not post in a more bias manner. Please do the community a favor and either admit to your intentions or leave.
It is not your job to determine what is or is not MBWorld related. I interpret the Terms of Use as meaning that no one can profit (financially as Ben said) off of MBWorld without sponsoring. It's obvious Kineda attempted to do this on several occasions. Let it die!
You have already admitted on other boards to being friends with Kineda, it is no wonder that you will not let this die. I would not be surprised if he is fueling every post you write! You purposely ignore everything Ben/Brad say, and could not post in a more bias manner. Please do the community a favor and either admit to your intentions or leave.
It is not your job to determine what is or is not MBWorld related. I interpret the Terms of Use as meaning that no one can profit (financially as Ben said) off of MBWorld without sponsoring. It's obvious Kineda attempted to do this on several occasions. Let it die!
