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Old Feb 18, 2018 | 11:49 PM
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Seriously Considering Timing Chain Replacement

I have a 2005 C230, manual transmission with about 118,000 miles. Unless my needs change, I will be driving the C230 10,000 - 15,000 miles per year. I would like to keep it 5 years or longer. When I bought the car in July 2017, I knew that the timing chain was a weak point, but I thought I would just listen for a rattle on start up and take care of it before it failed.

After owning the car a while and reading everything I can about the timing chain, my thinking has evolved. This thread: https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...hain-m271.html has had a particularly strong influence. Now I'm rethinking my strategy and strongly considering a chain replacement as a precautionary move in the next two months. I have some questions and would appreciate input prior to making my decision.

1. It appears possible to just replace the timing chain without replacing the chain tensioner and pads. If you replaced just the chain, were you happy with the results?

2. What additional benefits would accrue from replacing the other components?

I have some mechanical ability, but most of my experience is with routine maintenance and installation of auto electronics. The most difficult job that I have performed on the C230 is replacing the fuel filler neck and my toughest overall job was replacing the water pump on my Porsche Boxster. I have not previously replaced a timing chain, but I have used a chain tool to remove and install chains on a 10-speed bicycle.

3. Is the timing chain replacement (without changing the tensioner and pads) more difficult than a water pump? I would purchase one of the ebay chain tools and do the job correctly.

4. If I decide not to do the job myself, how much would an independent mechanic charge for the job? (My mechanic charges $95 per hour and he already has the chain tool.)

5. Anyone in the Richmond, VA area who has done this job and would like to assist me?

6. Any other thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

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Old Feb 19, 2018 | 03:52 PM
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1. Yes you can replace the chain without replacing the guides, but if you're gonna go that deep, makes no sense not to. you can replace two out of the three guides assuming the front timing cover is not removed.
2. Again, since you'll be elbow deep in the engine, for peace of mind you might as well do the water pump and t-stat too...the coolant has to be drained anyway. Don't forget the chain tensioner
3. Yes
4. I have no idea, I DIYed mine. Maybe someone will chip in on this...
5. Anybody?
6. Take your time, do lots of research. An assistant will be very helpful. I did mine at around 121k, solo, took two days. I suspended the old and new chain on a thin nail next to each other, the old chain was stretched only about 2mm. I seriously believe that with regular maintenance and good quality oil the M271 chain should last a long time. Then again they have been known to fail under 50k...ymmv
7. Good luck
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Old Feb 19, 2018 | 04:42 PM
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I suggest that you first ask your independent.

I know that it's "possible" to replace the timing chain without removing the PITA alternator and timing-chain slack-adjuster. But, in that case, I do not know how hard it really is to pull the timing chain tight, then add the link. It may be easy. My guess is that maybe using wire to connect the two halves, and then slowly tightening the wire, is how the two ends of the timing chain come together. And, maybe a long screwdriver to carefully push the slack-adjuster back in.

So, unless a mechanic has done that before, they are likely looking at spending some time figuring out how to successfully do that. Or, imho, if I was the mechanic, I'd say it wasn't worth the time or risk, and just remove the alternator. Unless the mechanic does a number of this type of job, it's cheaper and better for the customer to remove the alternator.


It's not hard to replace the timing chain, *if* the chain is not broken and the gears are still fine. That's most likely the case, if the timing chain hasn't broken.
You can get the IWIS chain at a low cost. I got both (IWIS and MB direct from a Dealer). I very often my the same part from different manufacture's to see the differences. But, knowledge-wise, that also helps me professionally (engineer) to see what company's do to make better products, or (more often) to make cheaper products.

There are a few good threads on how to do the replacement.

A thing that I will mention, is to use a proper timing chain link tool!
Otherwise, the pin will be too loose, too tight, bent, not splayed enough, splayed too much, overly stressed, under stressed, etc, etc, etc.
Will "it work" without the proper tool? Well, will someone die if they eat 15 pounds of dirt?? Maybe not. It may not have any effect. Or, there may be longer term effects (stomach, GI system) that don't show up for a while (like smoking and lung cancer, or drinking to excess and liver disease).

I bought a kit from ebay for ~$95.
It allows for the pin removal and installation.

My timing chain guides had very little wear (85K miles). Still, I replaced them.
My Mustang is ~30 years old, and going strong. My '05 C230K is a baby compared to my Mustang. I plan on keeping both for a very very long time. Other cars will come and go. Those are my 2 toys.
So, I'm not taking the cheap, or short-term, approach to any work on my C230.
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Old Feb 19, 2018 | 10:03 PM
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Thanks for the insights and the humor.

Like RedGray I keep my cars a long time. (I would probably still have my 1990 Miata if trees hadn't fallen on it in a tropical storm. The C230 replaced a 96 Infiniti G20 that I owned for over 21 years.)

So I am taking the long view. Although I'm planning on a minimum of 5 years, it is conceivable that the C230 will be with me another ten. It is almost certain that the timing chain will fail in 5-10 years when the car will have between 175,000 and 200,000 miles. (But just like I am not planning to eat 15 pounds of dirt to assess the health risks I don't think I will push my luck and find out exactly when it will fail.) If I have the chain replaced now, I should not have to consider doing it again for at least 70,000 miles.

I'm planning to talk to my mechanic and see what he will charge. If I'm not going to save a huge amount of money, I may have him do it and save my time and energy for some of the other projects on my list. He works on all makes, but have seen quite a few Mercedes at his shop including his personal E Class AMG. So I think he has the skill. He has told me that he has the chain tool.

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Old Feb 21, 2018 | 03:00 PM
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Just get it done. And this is from the guy who DIY's almost, everything.
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