i posted this thread b/c i was suprised to see that the kit included the badges. you see, my poll is doing some marketing research for you my take is that if 40% want it, it is worth the few dollars to include it and let the other 60% not use it. the question is, if someone gets the mats, do they get the badges too?

i think you should sponsor dj-po to get a "kleemann" tattoo on the back of his neck or somewhere else

Badges are only available with the MOTOR tuning parts (boost kit and complete kompressor systems). They are not sold alone or included with any chassis accessories.

Of course if the 60% guys herd them off to ebay or something thats another story

I agree...


Damn structure should PAY m,e for wearing their jeans that say structure on the back, and Armani should pay me for wearing their shirts with their logo on it...

How do you expect a company to survive if no one ever hears about it, putting your kleeman badge on makes your car different from the "crowd" and makes the company win some respect for their product. Also no one makes you do it, they just send it to you and you decide whether to put the badge or not to.


MB should pay us for using our cars with those ugly 3 poitned stars on them..

OK, how much for the pulley kits without the Kleemann badges?

Buellwinkle, according to Kleemann's rationalization above, the kit sans badges should cost the same, minus the cost of the badges But they SHOULD actually INCREASE the pulley kit's price if they sell it without badges, as you and I well know...

Kleemann, you are being disingenuous when you wrote that the primary purpose of the badge is to create brotherhood among the owners; I think the reason tuners put badges in with their kits is that they enjoy the free advertising and desperately hope that the buyers will mount the badges on the car in the desired prominent location(s).

I further think that Kleemann et. al. are not primarily interested in sponsoring a "fraternity" of owners, unless it has the --ahem--unintended, coincidental "side-effect" of free advertising exposure - something that the badges do quite magnificently. If creating a fraternity was all the tuners wanted to do for their existing customers, all they'd need to do is sponsor the occasional private wine and cheese party for them

Come on Kleemann, the badge is primarily about FREE advertising, admit it! Millions do not see each car with your badges on them every day, unlike M Schumacher, it is true. But tens, or even hundreds do, and the cumulative effect of a thousand cars or more, each circulating in traffic, each with prominent KLEEMANN badges on them, will have a significant commercial benefit to your company's business. To deny it is patently ridiculous.


Buellwinkle, I suggest that when your pulleys become available, that they be marketed under the "No Name" brand, or perhaps come with "Wankmann" or "Nerdmann" badges. Let's see how many people use THOSE badges, then

so I guess everyone knows about Brabus and Lorinser because they saw badges on the trunk of soem cars...

please...


Theres some free advertising on it, but the badges are mostly so people know this car has been modded and its not a normal coupe, its so people knwo that you have got somethign under the hood...

I can see it now. On the left side of the hatch is the model designation "WC230k", and on the right, replacing the "kompressor" badge, is the new "wankermann" badge. And to top it off, the license plate frame reads, "I've been wanked. Have you?"

There is no price break without badges- we wont take them out of a particular box either. Do you get a rebate when you dont want catsup on your hamburger?

Mike T:

My reference to fraternity appears to have been taken wrong. Fraternity in the sense of "hey look, my cars modded if you are into tuning, honk, give me them thumbs up or know that Im into cars too" or something to that effect.

Yes- Its an insidious plot to have free advertisement. Tuner badges have been around as long as tuners- they are a way of the owner to tell the world they have modified the car. Any written word, if it refers to a product, must be advertising. You cant have one without the other.

Very funny, I like your catsup anology!

Kleemann means "clover-man", but not just any clover-man, just a THREE leaf clover man Not too lucky I guess Sounds like Alfa-Romeo is one up on them!

AMG, said in German, sounds like "Ah emm Gay", great for the ego if you're not. So, AMG purists, time to start pronouncing the name properly, just like Porsch-uh

Ja, I heff a C sirty-two; I am gay.

ok?

"Klee mit vier Blättern mann" just doesnt roll off the tongue very well

Remember when Gay meant Happy??

Ich habe ein C32 und ich bin glücklich.

I'll do it!!!!



John.

aka "Official Unofficial KLEEMANN field rep/*****"

If you have the kit, you end up telling everyone about the outstanding performance at the first sign of even feigned interest.

This is a side-effect of ownership.

Free advertising? YES!!!
False? NO!!!


I am one of the biggest fans of KLEEMANN, not because of the badge. Because of the performance. Because, when I call and ask KLEEMANN a question, I get an answer. I have called him while he was in Canada (or was it Pennsilvania?) doing an install on another car (ML55K), and he took the time to answer my question. Now, how many people do you think would do that? I have good friends that will tell me to "call back later".


Brotherhood/Fraternity? YES!!!



John.

ONE TIME!!!!!!!!


One time, and I'm branded for life as the "naked KLEEMANN badge guy"!!!!!!



HEHEE

John.



ok, twice, but no more

I can't remember the date, maybe September last year, but it was about 12-15k miles (5 oil changes) ago. I've put almost 6k on since Mar. If anyone questions reliability.............

And, yes, they are working on getting a Vancouver, BC dealer last I checked.


John.

When are you gonna post that dyno chart with the Upsolete/kleeman combination?


can you take on a 330?

Those old W202's with no manual transmission available, a pulley and chip couldn't take on a stock C230 coupe 6spd, let alone a 330! As I remember the 2000 C230K was about a full second slower than the 2002 C230K in 0-60 times. Adding a pulley and chip would probably lower it to the low 7 second range. Also the old W202 handled like a shopping cart compared to the C-Coupe.

I tought he had a Coupe... missed he has a 1999 c230... that changes a lot of things...

thx for pointing out blue,

how do you think pulley/upsolete would affect the performance of the Coupe in 0-60 and 1/4 mile....

I don't think anyone has done that combination at the track. The only one I know on this forum to do some track testing on a C230 is Renncpe with his Renntech pulley kit, 3.67 rear gears, 6spd, and an aftermarket exhaust and he was able to get mid sixes in 0-60 times or about a full second faster than stock. Benzy did track time with his homemade pulley and a dry NO2 system but I don't remember him posting actual times. I would be happy with mid to low 6's for this car with a pulley and chip. I think under 6 is possible if you change out the intercooler for a larger one.

Everyone talks chassis dyno numbers but like you I believe in track numbers, 0-60, 1/4 mile. When Kleemann comes to SoCal, maybe we can get RennCpe and Kleemann to duke it out at the Carlsbad, CA track. The war of the pullies

I tell you what, let's meet in northern Cali. sometime (preferably when your homemade contraption is done) and duke it out on the track. Straight-line, twisties, up-hill, down-hill, race-gas, pump-gas, or whatever will get you to shut up. My car will kill yours (you're the one comparing numbers). Until you are ready to drive 12 hours to race shut the **** up. I have driven TWICE to Cali. just to make it to GTGs, and have given everyone a chance to see my car, and how it performs. I HAVE NO SHAME!!! I'm willing to meet you for this anytime.



PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!!


I'm done.



John.

Sure, I'll race you but only on an IHRA sanctioned track and the only one in the West is Carlsbad. Since my car is not ready can I enter a motorcycle? I promise it won't have half the HP you think your car has.

Have your raced that thing before? What are your ETs?

i remember benzy posting that his coupe with nos and pully ran 13's in the 1/4

Hey Can I COME AND WATCH? The race?Im a Member of the KLEEMANN MAFIA also!! My Latest KILL was a BMW 330 coupe !
So Im There With JOHN ......Lets JUST do THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL
OR MAYBE a LITTLE MONEY on this?HUH?

Are you going to race too Mark? I'ld have a tougher time beating you since you have a C-Coupe, althought it's an automatic! Did you get the car dynoed since Upsolute re-did your chip?

We need RennCpe to drive down from Florida to make it interesting, maybe Benzy230 if he gets his car put back together. The Fast & Furious C-Class!