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Oh, another silver ccoupe. 
Just kidding.
Congrats! Glad that you got the C7 pkg - I hate reading these posts from people who wish that they had gotten it.
Don't forget the break-in period! Better safe than sorry.
Just kidding.Congrats! Glad that you got the C7 pkg - I hate reading these posts from people who wish that they had gotten it.
Don't forget the break-in period! Better safe than sorry.
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Originally posted by kineda
Yep. It's still the Pilots.. I'm probaly gonna have them swapped out for SP9000's when I get my new wheels.
Yep. It's still the Pilots.. I'm probaly gonna have them swapped out for SP9000's when I get my new wheels.
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Originally posted by Mark08859
Why pay for the C7 package if you're getting new wheels? I'm not sure the other changes alone (pedals, exhaust, etc.) are worth the option price.
Why pay for the C7 package if you're getting new wheels? I'm not sure the other changes alone (pedals, exhaust, etc.) are worth the option price.
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That's correct. Even if I change wheels, there are other benefits to the C7 Package:
Pedals, Short Shifter, and Painted Door Handles.. AND I would have a set of spare 17" wheels for the winter.. I don't know how anyone could pass this package up?!
Pedals, Short Shifter, and Painted Door Handles.. AND I would have a set of spare 17" wheels for the winter.. I don't know how anyone could pass this package up?!
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Its easy to pass up the C7 package since there is no performance advantage whatsover. Painted door handles and funky pedals do not give you better performance. And the high performance tires are well outside the capability range of the coupe. Plus the tires cost a good deal of money to replace (often) and are next to useless in the snow and ice. Need I go on ? The only reason I can see anyone paying extra for this package is if they really like the wheels and that is of course very subjective. I won't mention that the larger C7 wheels and tires are higher in unsprung weight and therefore are a detriment in 0-60 launches. I don't think C7 owners want to know that. 
And yes I have C7 but I regret it because I had to pay extra for steelies and snow tires to cope in the winter months. I don't think that represents good value. If you live in Florida or California maybe your opinion would be more positive since you can use the tires 12 months of the year.
And yes I have C7 but I regret it because I had to pay extra for steelies and snow tires to cope in the winter months. I don't think that represents good value. If you live in Florida or California maybe your opinion would be more positive since you can use the tires 12 months of the year.
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I like the evolution package.
I didn't like the stock mags, I like the C7's much better.
I also like the short-throw shifter, the color matched door handles, and the pedals. I think the whole thing is good value.
I don't care about the lack of resonator in the exhuast, or the bigger exhaust tip, but the other stuff is nice.
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I also like the short-throw shifter, the color matched door handles, and the pedals. I think the whole thing is good value.
I don't care about the lack of resonator in the exhuast, or the bigger exhaust tip, but the other stuff is nice.
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Originally posted by viper
Its easy to pass up the C7 package since there is no performance advantage whatsover. Painted door handles and funky pedals do not give you better performance. And the high performance tires are well outside the capability range of the coupe. Plus the tires cost a good deal of money to replace (often) and are next to useless in the snow and ice. Need I go on ? The only reason I can see anyone paying extra for this package is if they really like the wheels and that is of course very subjective. I won't mention that the larger C7 wheels and tires are higher in unsprung weight and therefore are a detriment in 0-60 launches. I don't think C7 owners want to know that.
And yes I have C7 but I regret it because I had to pay extra for steelies and snow tires to cope in the winter months. I don't think that represents good value. If you live in Florida or California maybe your opinion would be more positive since you can use the tires 12 months of the year.
Its easy to pass up the C7 package since there is no performance advantage whatsover. Painted door handles and funky pedals do not give you better performance. And the high performance tires are well outside the capability range of the coupe. Plus the tires cost a good deal of money to replace (often) and are next to useless in the snow and ice. Need I go on ? The only reason I can see anyone paying extra for this package is if they really like the wheels and that is of course very subjective. I won't mention that the larger C7 wheels and tires are higher in unsprung weight and therefore are a detriment in 0-60 launches. I don't think C7 owners want to know that.
And yes I have C7 but I regret it because I had to pay extra for steelies and snow tires to cope in the winter months. I don't think that represents good value. If you live in Florida or California maybe your opinion would be more positive since you can use the tires 12 months of the year.
Not like i care i live in Florida
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Yes BlackC230Coupe I see your point. Its only for looks. But you always see posts saying gotta get C7 option and I am just trying to clarify for the newbies. If you want to spend the money for looks thats your business but it is not a performance upgrade. Same brakes and suspension as base model. You would be surprised at how many sales monkeys allude to C7 being a performance option. Sure the tires are performance tires but they are far in excess of what the car chassis is capable of handling and wear out very fast. As I said before that does not represent good value in my mind.
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Originally posted by viper
If you want to spend the money for looks thats your business but it is not a performance upgrade.
If you want to spend the money for looks thats your business but it is not a performance upgrade.
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Oh come now vadim. A short throw shifter being a performance upgrade ? Give me a break. Yeah it feels better but the gear ratios are the same. Hence no performance advantage.
As for the tire issue sure you have less sidewall flex but how many people equate performance with zooming around corners. When you say performance most people think of 0-60 sprints against the ricer at the stop light. Believe it or not the base manual coupe will be faster because of the lighter wheels and tires. It may not look as nice but it will be quicker off the mark. The performance/value equation just does not fit here. This is not to insult C7 owners. And look at the replacement costs of those tires. I find it insulting that the car wears Z-rated rubber but does not "need" it. I am just glad that C7 did not include a fake hood scoop and fake brake cooling ducts in the fenders. But maybe some people would like that. I guess its just a matter of taste in the long run.
As for the tire issue sure you have less sidewall flex but how many people equate performance with zooming around corners. When you say performance most people think of 0-60 sprints against the ricer at the stop light. Believe it or not the base manual coupe will be faster because of the lighter wheels and tires. It may not look as nice but it will be quicker off the mark. The performance/value equation just does not fit here. This is not to insult C7 owners. And look at the replacement costs of those tires. I find it insulting that the car wears Z-rated rubber but does not "need" it. I am just glad that C7 did not include a fake hood scoop and fake brake cooling ducts in the fenders. But maybe some people would like that. I guess its just a matter of taste in the long run.
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Oh, come on, viper. :p Of course a short shifter is a performance upgrade. Anything that improves the driving environment, to me, is a performance upgrade. And of course, a ss kit will improve your quarter mile times (by tenths or hundredths, but hey, it's something).
Well, I'd assume that anyone buying a German car is not as concerned about 0-60 and 1/4 miles as they are about s curves and turns. So, in that regard, the 17 inchers (uses " and not ' for those who keep talking about 17 foot rims [ie, 17']) are a performance upgrade.
For the price of a c230, you can get a Mustang and crush a c230 at the line. Doesn't mean that I would do it, though.
Well, I'd assume that anyone buying a German car is not as concerned about 0-60 and 1/4 miles as they are about s curves and turns. So, in that regard, the 17 inchers (uses " and not ' for those who keep talking about 17 foot rims [ie, 17']) are a performance upgrade.
For the price of a c230, you can get a Mustang and crush a c230 at the line. Doesn't mean that I would do it, though.
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if everyone is saying low profile 17 inch tires will not do anything then why does every hight performance car such as. Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini etc. come with nothing less than 17inch? and by the way how much do the stock c230 rims weigh?
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If I lived in Canada and purchased the C7 package, I would probably have asked the dealer to exchange tires before delivery for some all seasons - Michelin Pilot A/S (talk about expensive) which have, if memory serves me, a long life. I have done this with other dealers. As to the cost of the tires, I can find Bridgestone S-03 PP, each for about $167 US. For summer use or where I am, all year usage, The Michelins and S-03s would certainly give the owner a lot of confidence in terms of grip in the dry and rain.
The larger wheels do add to some handling capabilities with the larger tires.
A nice, slighly shorter shifter is certainly an enhancement if the shifting is more precise.
All together, the C7 is certainly worth $750.
I also would like to find some nice performing quiet tires that last a bit longer but I don't want Pirelli P7000s. I have heard that Kumhos can be noisy. I will keep on searching. I did have some Pirello PZero Rossos that lasted about 23k miles. What I also don't like about these tires is that they attract nails like a dog attracts fleas. I had 2 flats in the Bridgestones (after 4k miles)and 4 in the Pirellis. I am now beginning to drive in the center lane more to avoid all the garbage in this city's roads and construction.
Good luck. If you find a good tire, let me know
The larger wheels do add to some handling capabilities with the larger tires.
A nice, slighly shorter shifter is certainly an enhancement if the shifting is more precise.
All together, the C7 is certainly worth $750.
I also would like to find some nice performing quiet tires that last a bit longer but I don't want Pirelli P7000s. I have heard that Kumhos can be noisy. I will keep on searching. I did have some Pirello PZero Rossos that lasted about 23k miles. What I also don't like about these tires is that they attract nails like a dog attracts fleas. I had 2 flats in the Bridgestones (after 4k miles)and 4 in the Pirellis. I am now beginning to drive in the center lane more to avoid all the garbage in this city's roads and construction.
Good luck. If you find a good tire, let me know
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Originally posted by BlackC230Coupe
if everyone is saying low profile 17 inch tires will not do anything then why does every hight performance car such as. Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini etc. come with nothing less than 17inch?
if everyone is saying low profile 17 inch tires will not do anything then why does every hight performance car such as. Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini etc. come with nothing less than 17inch?
