C230K Turbo Stage 1 Complete
11-28-2004, 08:27 PM
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If by "hold up" you mean sustain the current level of boost or a bit greater? Keep in mind that I am currently running 12psi of boost. A good pully upgrade commonly done, produces 14psi. Within my years of experience with modified sports cars, the single most important consideration when dealing with forced induction engines is proper tunning. More specifically, proper air fuel ratio adjustments.
In most cases I have been familiar with, 85% of individuals create a recipe for disater by "cranking up the boost" without insuring that there is sufficient fuel(octane levels) to meet the demand now placed on the ignition process. Of course the second consideration should be the build quality of the internal components and their ability to meet unusually high stress levels(3or4 times factory HP level).
The build quality of my internals are verified in that I have spoken extensively with Mercedes,Senior AMG and Carlson tuners and third party builders in Germany. All vouched for the design and quality of both the pistons and connecting rods. Now I am not suggesting that the concern ends there, of course items such as tranny, rear end, clutch system etc. bare attention. But please keep in mind that this engine is forced induction from factory in addition the engine design is 6 years proven.
We don't know for sure the limitations of the engine itself. However it's very safe to say we are not currently approaching it's limits. My goal with this car in it's current mechanical state is 17psi, where ever that places me in terms of horsepower is where I will be. I personally have no need to push the system beyond that.
You know it's funny, locally we have an import crowd of Civics, Neons and Protege's that are beating around our highways daily with as much as 24psi of boost on stock factory normally aspirated engines! I really, REALLY would like to believe that I can muster 17psi out of a Mercedes forced induction engine without mechanical failure.
-Speedwerx
In most cases I have been familiar with, 85% of individuals create a recipe for disater by "cranking up the boost" without insuring that there is sufficient fuel(octane levels) to meet the demand now placed on the ignition process. Of course the second consideration should be the build quality of the internal components and their ability to meet unusually high stress levels(3or4 times factory HP level).
The build quality of my internals are verified in that I have spoken extensively with Mercedes,Senior AMG and Carlson tuners and third party builders in Germany. All vouched for the design and quality of both the pistons and connecting rods. Now I am not suggesting that the concern ends there, of course items such as tranny, rear end, clutch system etc. bare attention. But please keep in mind that this engine is forced induction from factory in addition the engine design is 6 years proven.
We don't know for sure the limitations of the engine itself. However it's very safe to say we are not currently approaching it's limits. My goal with this car in it's current mechanical state is 17psi, where ever that places me in terms of horsepower is where I will be. I personally have no need to push the system beyond that.
You know it's funny, locally we have an import crowd of Civics, Neons and Protege's that are beating around our highways daily with as much as 24psi of boost on stock factory normally aspirated engines! I really, REALLY would like to believe that I can muster 17psi out of a Mercedes forced induction engine without mechanical failure.
-Speedwerx
11-28-2004, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedwerx
If by "hold up" you mean sustain the current level of boost or a bit greater? Keep in mind that I am currently running 12psi of boost. A good pully upgrade commonly done, produces 14psi. Within my years of experience with modified sports cars, the single most important consideration when dealing with forced induction engines is proper tunning. More specifically, proper air fuel ratio adjustments.
In most cases I have been familiar with, 85% of individuals create a recipe for disater by "cranking up the boost" without insuring that there is sufficient fuel(octane levels) to meet the demand now placed on the ignition process. Of course the second consideration should be the build quality of the internal components and their ability to meet unusually high stress levels(3or4 times factory HP level).
The build quality of my internals are verified in that I have spoken extensively with Mercedes,Senior AMG and Carlson tuners and third party builders in Germany. All vouched for the design and quality of both the pistons and connecting rods. Now I am not suggesting that the concern ends there, of course items such as tranny, rear end, clutch system etc. bare attention. But please keep in mind that this engine is forced induction from factory in addition the engine design is 6 years proven.
We don't know for sure the limitations of the engine itself. However it's very safe to say we are not currently approaching it's limits. My goal with this car in it's current mechanical state is 17psi, where ever that places me in terms of horsepower is where I will be. I personally have no need to push the system beyond that.
You know it's funny, locally we have an import crowd of Civics, Neons and Protege's that are beating around our highways daily with as much as 24psi of boost on stock factory normally aspirated engines! I really, REALLY would like to believe that I can muster 17psi out of a Mercedes forced induction engine without mechanical failure.
-Speedwerx
In most cases I have been familiar with, 85% of individuals create a recipe for disater by "cranking up the boost" without insuring that there is sufficient fuel(octane levels) to meet the demand now placed on the ignition process. Of course the second consideration should be the build quality of the internal components and their ability to meet unusually high stress levels(3or4 times factory HP level).
The build quality of my internals are verified in that I have spoken extensively with Mercedes,Senior AMG and Carlson tuners and third party builders in Germany. All vouched for the design and quality of both the pistons and connecting rods. Now I am not suggesting that the concern ends there, of course items such as tranny, rear end, clutch system etc. bare attention. But please keep in mind that this engine is forced induction from factory in addition the engine design is 6 years proven.
We don't know for sure the limitations of the engine itself. However it's very safe to say we are not currently approaching it's limits. My goal with this car in it's current mechanical state is 17psi, where ever that places me in terms of horsepower is where I will be. I personally have no need to push the system beyond that.
You know it's funny, locally we have an import crowd of Civics, Neons and Protege's that are beating around our highways daily with as much as 24psi of boost on stock factory normally aspirated engines! I really, REALLY would like to believe that I can muster 17psi out of a Mercedes forced induction engine without mechanical failure.
-Speedwerx
Let us know if there is anything in the works for the 1.8L 
11-28-2004, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedwerx
You know it's funny, locally we have an import crowd of Civics, Neons and Protege's that are beating around our highways daily with as much as 24psi of boost on stock factory normally aspirated engines! I really, REALLY would like to believe that I can muster 17psi out of a Mercedes forced induction engine without mechanical failure.
-Speedwerx
So, any plans for the MB 1.8 engine?
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11-28-2004, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedwerx
You know it's funny, locally we have an import crowd of Civics, Neons and Protege's that are beating around our highways daily with as much as 24psi of boost on stock factory normally aspirated engines! I really, REALLY would like to believe that I can muster 17psi out of a Mercedes forced induction engine without mechanical failure.
-Speedwerx
So, any plans for the MB 1.8 engine?
Scott
11-28-2004, 11:13 PM
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Once we complete the final stage of testing with satisfactory results, we will immediately begin development of the Performance kits for both the 2.3 and 1.8 engine baring any delays.
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11-29-2004, 12:08 AM
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OMG....DROOL is all i can say, that is just "SEXY" i gotta hear what it sounds like and with that...i will love it even more if it sounds sexy too heh good job! really really impressive, unbelievably impressive!
11-29-2004, 01:12 AM
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Cool, I never go on mbklasse, but I did see something funny when I checked it out today... It appears that our buddy that got banned is on mbklasse. You guys remember that "pilot" from rico... :p
11-29-2004, 02:36 PM
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prhelopilot got himself banned again from another forum!
I think he's learned from the experience.
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"Double Stuff" SOLD | Nor*Cals "Pesky Audi"
buy a new c300. if any of you guys have rounded the audi 2.0T forums and seen the numbers they put down, you'd surely slap yourself. ridiculous.
btw, thanks to jacklin for resurecting an uber old thread.
good read.
btw, thanks to jacklin for resurecting an uber old thread.
good read.
02-29-2008, 09:23 AM
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C230 coupe, nothing special :)
Once it is done please keep us posted, I was going to attempt to turbo mine but, I will wait for your kit. Looks great aswell. Seriously I will buy this!
02-29-2008, 10:56 AM
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C230 coupe, nothing special :)
pfft
Well my car only has 40k on it and its 6 years old. I figure I can wait another 20k for a turbo.
I WILL HAVE THIS TURBO, I WILL KILL STI'S , AND IT WILL FEEL GREAT!!!!
WERX TURBO KIT
lol i hate being stuck at work.
Well my car only has 40k on it and its 6 years old. I figure I can wait another 20k for a turbo.
I WILL HAVE THIS TURBO, I WILL KILL STI'S , AND IT WILL FEEL GREAT!!!!
WERX TURBO KITlol i hate being stuck at work.
02-29-2008, 01:25 PM
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You guys do realize that this particular car was a piece of crap and the turbo kit did not function properly. This was done on a m111, not a m271. Also, I believe the original owner sold it and the new owner tried to sell it on ebay because they didn't have the proper people to help make it work properly.
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You guys do realize that this particular car was a piece of crap and the turbo kit did not function properly. This was done on a m111, not a m271. Also, I believe the original owner sold it and the new owner tried to sell it on ebay because they didn't have the proper people to help make it work properly.
