Why Is My New 05 C230 Ss So Slooooowwwww!!!
02-21-2005, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Capt Nemo o2
Doc, Dont underestimate trucks!!! Especially the 1500 class trucks from the Big Three (Dodge Ram 1500, Ford F-150, and the GM 1500) with the diesel engines!!! The new Dodge 6.0 Turbodiesel... was driving next to one the other night, I new I would have lost! 600 ft-lbs of tourqe! Not to mention you can buy a programmer for $200 that can easily give you an extra 200!
I don't think I'll be engaging in any more races with trucks even if they start it. Anyway, what an amazing tread huh. I did not mean to start so much controversy, but the fact is that after reviewing this entire thread
CONCLUSIONS:
1) C-CLASS IS AN UNBELIEVABLY POPULAR CAR AND AN AMAZING GERMAN MACHINE.
2)05 C 230KSS- EXCELLENT OFF THE LINE TILL ABOUT 60-80 AND WILL MORE THAN LIKELY BEAT A C240 OFF THE LINE...... AFTER THAT WHO KNOWS NO ONE SEEMS TO HAVE ANY PROOF.
3)THE SMALLER 1.8 ENGINE OR ANY SMALLER ENGINE IN THIS CLASS DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT WILL ALWAYS BE SLOWER THAN SAY A 2.3, HOWEVER IT IS OBVIOUS THAT IN GOING TO THE SMALLER ENGINE YOU DO LOSE SOME POWER IN THE LONG RUN.
4) C230 COUPE VS C 230K SS COUPE OBVIOUS RACE ADVANTAGE NOT BUY MUCH........... HOWEVER, MY C230K SS CAN FIT FOUR CHICS IN THE CABIN AND ONE IN THE TRUNK HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :p
5) LAST POST ON THIS THREAD, WHICH FRANKLY HAS BEEN ONE OF THE LONGEST, INFORMATIVE, ENTERTAINING, AND HOSTILE THREADS I'VE EVER READ( NOT TO MENTION THAT I STARTED IT), SHOULD BE ANY VIDEO PROOF OF ANY AND ALL CLAIMS MADE ON THIS TOPIC. IF THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE THEN DROP IT AND RESPECT EVERYONE ELSES OPINION UNTIL WE TOUCH THIS TOPIC AGAIN. THANKS GUYS!
02-21-2005, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Outland
This is such a **** thread. ****heads posting crap about how a V6 is always faster than a four banger. Give it up already. Its the same car...same everything else...one engine makes over 20HP more than the other one, and a lot more torque everywhere in the rev band. There is no way for the C240 to win this at any speed. If it does, you rigged it, or modded the C240. Period. Anything else is just pure bull***** on the part of ill informed idiot of a poster.
02-21-2005, 11:09 PM
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'05 C230SS 6MT, 1966 Triumph TR4a IRS, Shelby Cobra 427 Supercharged
Originally Posted by richardsayzz
I just got my Black 05' 230 SS like 3 weeks ago...got like 900 miles on it so engines still breakin in....my car feels much slower than my brothers IS300, his just pulls harder..anyways searched the forums is there any drop in filters for the 05' 230 that actually produce a couple horses?
lol at least my car gets good gas mileage :-)
lol at least my car gets good gas mileage :-)
02-21-2005, 11:09 PM
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The 1.8 does have a claimed 192lb ft of torque from 3500 to 4500rpm, and yes the 2.6 has a claimed 177lb ft of torque. However prior to the 3500rpm 1.8 peak and after the 4500rpm the little 1.8 has far less torque than the 2.6. That is not proven and that is just a wil guess based on the fact that I was toasted by a 2.6 while driving a 1.8 and then got behind the wheel of that very same 2.6 and smoked the 1.8.
I can't believe the way the torque builds from such a low RPM and the power swells to fuel shut off in the 2.6, but in the 1.8 it is very sparky right in the middle of the rev counter and fall off like a brick toward redline. The 1.8 is faster 0 to 60 than the 2.6 but if the 1.8 really did have 189hp or the 2.6 really did have 168hp there would be no speculation at all. The fact that the 1.8 doesn't blow the doors off the 2.6 is laughable at any speed.
Again, look at the Passat 1.8 vs the 2.8. The 2.8 has 20 more hp just like the 240 and 230. The 2.8 will walk from the 1.8 any where anytime with either transmission. So in conclusion the 2.6 has more hp than claimed, or the 1.8 has less power than claimed, or they are both a little off.
Anyhow I think MBNA has some explaining to do.
I can't believe the way the torque builds from such a low RPM and the power swells to fuel shut off in the 2.6, but in the 1.8 it is very sparky right in the middle of the rev counter and fall off like a brick toward redline. The 1.8 is faster 0 to 60 than the 2.6 but if the 1.8 really did have 189hp or the 2.6 really did have 168hp there would be no speculation at all. The fact that the 1.8 doesn't blow the doors off the 2.6 is laughable at any speed.
Again, look at the Passat 1.8 vs the 2.8. The 2.8 has 20 more hp just like the 240 and 230. The 2.8 will walk from the 1.8 any where anytime with either transmission. So in conclusion the 2.6 has more hp than claimed, or the 1.8 has less power than claimed, or they are both a little off.
Anyhow I think MBNA has some explaining to do.
02-22-2005, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Capt Nemo o2
LOL! What timing!!! I just dropped in a K&N Filter today. Direct replacement, filter E-2011 (Its only listed for 2003 C230s, but its the same)
HI I notice you have a K&N drop in filter for C230 right? Can you tell me where you bought it from? and do you have a picture (or Diagram) of where the air filter goes? Did you install it yourself?
Thanks for your help!
02-22-2005, 12:29 AM
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'05 C230SS 6MT, 1966 Triumph TR4a IRS, Shelby Cobra 427 Supercharged
Originally Posted by BabyBenz6spd
HI I notice you have a K&N drop in filter for C230 right? Can you tell me where you bought it from? and do you have a picture (or Diagram) of where the air filter goes? Did you install it yourself?
Thanks for your help!
Thanks for your help!
Yes, its a 2005 C230
I got the filter from a local speed shop. After taking out the stock filter and taking its dimensions, I went to Autozone and checked filters by dimensions. That was a pain in the *** and I asked if they had an older copy I can look at. They gave me an attitude so I told em to f*ck off. Then I went to a local shop and they had an older catalog that listed a 2003 C230, part# E-2011. Yes, I installed it myself it took 10 minutes... would have taken less but I dropped the torx head bit and had to fish it out! The filter goes where the intake hose ends. Its to the right of the valve cover and has 6 or 8 torx head screws holding down the top of the air box. Unscrew those (They are captive, so dont take them out all the way, just till they spin freely) and lift the top off. Take out old filter put new one in and screw everything back together. Very simple... Its the easiest of my planned air intake modifications!!!
02-22-2005, 12:45 AM
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HEY CAPT,
HAS THIS FILTER IMPROVED YOUR POWER AT ALL. CAN YOU TELL RIGHT AWAY? AND HOW MUCH POWER/BOOST DOES THIS ADD TO YOUR CAR? iS IT TURE LIKE i READ ON SOME OTHER POSTS THAT THIS MAY ACTUALLY DECREASE POWER---- HOW CAN THAT BE? WILL IT SHOW DURING MAINTENANCE VISITS FOR A LEASED VEHICLE LIKE MINE?
HAS THIS FILTER IMPROVED YOUR POWER AT ALL. CAN YOU TELL RIGHT AWAY? AND HOW MUCH POWER/BOOST DOES THIS ADD TO YOUR CAR? iS IT TURE LIKE i READ ON SOME OTHER POSTS THAT THIS MAY ACTUALLY DECREASE POWER---- HOW CAN THAT BE? WILL IT SHOW DURING MAINTENANCE VISITS FOR A LEASED VEHICLE LIKE MINE?
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The only way to accurately tell why the 2.6 is comparable to the 1.8 would be to obtain a dyno map of both engines power curves and torque curves. I think that your more linear curve will usually prevail in terms of overall speed. Engines with extreme peaks usually do not do well against a good linear curve because if they have an extreme peak then they usually have an extreme valley somewhere in their curves.
02-22-2005, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Capt Nemo o2
Ok being that its 12:15 ill describe it to you... no pics or diagrams yet, maybe tomorrow!...
Unscrew those (They are captive, so dont take them out all the way, just till they spin freely) and lift the top off. Take out old filter put new one in and screw everything back together. Very simple... Its the easiest of my planned air intake modifications!!!
Unscrew those (They are captive, so dont take them out all the way, just till they spin freely) and lift the top off. Take out old filter put new one in and screw everything back together. Very simple... Its the easiest of my planned air intake modifications!!!
There were like warning stickers of electrical thingees on top of the cover, and I'm no MB tech, so I was a litttle hesitant on wheather if its the right cover. Thanks again~
02-22-2005, 09:46 AM
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Doc,
It certianly didnt hurt performance. I can feel a little difference than stock, and in nuetral the engine revs a little easier. As to how much power? probably only 2 to 5 hp. The only way that the filter can decrease power is if it is over oiled and the oil fouls the MAF sensor, or if the air filter doesnt flow as well as stock, but this is a K&N not some no-name brand so it will flow better than stock. It may show up when you get an oil change, they may go to check the air filter. I dont think it should be a problem, its a maintenance item as well as an aftermarket item and there are laws to protect us from getting screwed by the Man (He's always tryin to keep me down!!!) If your that worried, call anynomously and ask if thats a problem. Or you can always just swap out the filter before you go in, it only takes a few minutes, after all, how often do you go to the dealer for maintenance?!
It certianly didnt hurt performance. I can feel a little difference than stock, and in nuetral the engine revs a little easier. As to how much power? probably only 2 to 5 hp. The only way that the filter can decrease power is if it is over oiled and the oil fouls the MAF sensor, or if the air filter doesnt flow as well as stock, but this is a K&N not some no-name brand so it will flow better than stock. It may show up when you get an oil change, they may go to check the air filter. I dont think it should be a problem, its a maintenance item as well as an aftermarket item and there are laws to protect us from getting screwed by the Man (He's always tryin to keep me down!!!) If your that worried, call anynomously and ask if thats a problem. Or you can always just swap out the filter before you go in, it only takes a few minutes, after all, how often do you go to the dealer for maintenance?!
02-22-2005, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bambam2595
The only way to accurately tell why the 2.6 is comparable to the 1.8 would be to obtain a dyno map of both engines power curves and torque curves. I think that your more linear curve will usually prevail in terms of overall speed. Engines with extreme peaks usually do not do well against a good linear curve because if they have an extreme peak then they usually have an extreme valley somewhere in their curves.
I haven't seen a nice cleaned up one like this yet for the 2.6, this compared the old 2.3(which, actually makes 208lbs-ft, not the 200 as stated) with the new at the time 1.8.
http://www.mbklasse.com/forums/showt...highlight=dyno
02-23-2005, 01:30 AM
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Thanks for the tip capt. I may actually change the filter this weekend. I will also chip this car very soon and
i will let you guys know how that goes....upsolute or kleeman not sure yet.
i will let you guys know how that goes....upsolute or kleeman not sure yet.
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I found this image online, it may help people who wants to change out the filter. I too will change to K&N filiter later on. I blew my money on GT4 this morning. 
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Originally Posted by Outland
The resonator does nothing. Same for the entire exhaust. Look into a header. SMALLER wheels will help accelleration. Kleeman has a Chip and Pulley now for the 1.8.
I just got that installed. I am very happy with the result
Keeman K-Box Kit
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I just got that installed. I am very happy with the result
Keeman K-Box Kit
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Where did you order your Kleeman K-Box kit? I e-mailed Kleemanusa, and their sales rep told me this kit is not offered in US, so I can't get it? Do you know where I can have it ordered?
Any Pictures?
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Where did you order your Kleeman K-Box kit? I e-mailed Kleemanusa, and their sales rep told me this kit is not offered in US, so I can't get it? Do you know where I can have it ordered?
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Any Pictures?
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Originally Posted by Outland
The old W202 C230 made 185HP, 4 shy of your new one. But it had more torque, and a much wider powerband. The W203 C230 with the M111 2.3L made 192HP, and much more torque. Its a great little motor.
You guys think a car with more power will run away from another less powerfull car. That's not the case...most races are decided by a few tenths of a second. And for a C240 even keeping up with the C230 would be quite a feat. I've had several loaner C240's, and the most recent 05 one was so slow, mergering required a flow chart and a flight plan. Ive also had some 1.8L 230's. There's power there, just above 3500RPM. Size is irrellevant if the motor makes more HP and Torque. If a motor just makes more HP, but less Torque, its gonna feel a little slower, because Torque is what shoves you back in the seat. HP is what gets the work done. High HP low torque motors do not pull harder than a motor of similar torque with less HP, they just pull longer and farther. HP is a extrapolation of Torque and RPM. Torque is the only force a motor makes.
At higher speeds, you should be running stronger. Torque gets you off the line, HP gets you the top speed. Have the car checked out first. Put it on a Dyno....100 bucks and you'll know for sure.
You guys think a car with more power will run away from another less powerfull car. That's not the case...most races are decided by a few tenths of a second. And for a C240 even keeping up with the C230 would be quite a feat. I've had several loaner C240's, and the most recent 05 one was so slow, mergering required a flow chart and a flight plan. Ive also had some 1.8L 230's. There's power there, just above 3500RPM. Size is irrellevant if the motor makes more HP and Torque. If a motor just makes more HP, but less Torque, its gonna feel a little slower, because Torque is what shoves you back in the seat. HP is what gets the work done. High HP low torque motors do not pull harder than a motor of similar torque with less HP, they just pull longer and farther. HP is a extrapolation of Torque and RPM. Torque is the only force a motor makes.
At higher speeds, you should be running stronger. Torque gets you off the line, HP gets you the top speed. Have the car checked out first. Put it on a Dyno....100 bucks and you'll know for sure.
The torque is also important, thats why my CDI engine with less power (143Hp) but more torque (330Nm) than yours c230 or 240 from low revs constant to red line makes all difference, my less powerfull car drives so quickly than yours or even better at low speeds to mid range speeds (125mph) (I had a 98' clk 2.0 kompressor with AMG power kit and I know how the kompressors performance)
Don't forget the gear ratios, Auto 5spd vs manual 6spd, I drived a c220cdi auto and then I go drive my 6spd and it looks like a rocket
