For those in north-east coast How are your reardrive cclases in snow?
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Originally Posted by Outland
My mistake, I misread your response. Sorry.
One guy post hoe he ordered his new 06 c350 and the other guy bashes hime and next thing we know its canadians vs americans and MAd cow vs Mcdonalds WTF!!!!!!!!!
These threads are for mb fanatics.... appreciate what others have and learn how the vehicle works, likes/dislikes, comparisons, speed/performance, much more fun that way. I mean I'm fairly new here and I did not even know there were arguments like that. I actually felt intinidated to join Mbworld because some of you guys possess knowledge about MB that I don't have eventhough I read about it everyday. But I'm starting to rethink this whole membership cause if it's not one person annoying the other and discouraging people from mb cars it's jealousy and one insult after the other. It's crazy!!!!! Sorry to go off topic here, but DAMMMMMNNNNNN!!!
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Originally Posted by doctamb
Nice response Outland. Way to see you handled it maturely, seriously, unlike some other people on this forum. Wow!!!!!!!
OTOH, if youre a troll, I'll keep blasting you every chance I get.
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after 2 days of driving in snow i can say the car is great in the winter. riding on stock 17" wheels and tires are no problem. if you can't handle the stock tires you better get a 4matic or learn to drive!
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Originally Posted by ctC230K
after 2 days of driving in snow i can say the car is great in the winter. riding on stock 17" wheels and tires are no problem. if you can't handle the stock tires you better get a 4matic or learn to drive!
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hm....
I make it a point to take every car I've ever owned to a large, snow covered parking lot...just to see how it reacts in a slide. I did that in the E and got stopped by a mall security cop...he thought I was nuts.
But 4Matic...doesn't...slide.
Even in a sweeping turn then cranking the steering to inside full lock, I could barely get her to sway. So I turned off the ESP and tromped on it....thats when rent-a-cop pulled up.
The coupe....heheh....is a blast in the snow!
Oh wait, you were asking about the safety factor? Learn to control it, and you'll have as much fun as I do.
(the MG's get parked for the winter, but I've taken one out for slide testing....feels similar to a wet road...very little dynamics til you pull up the parking brake)
I make it a point to take every car I've ever owned to a large, snow covered parking lot...just to see how it reacts in a slide. I did that in the E and got stopped by a mall security cop...he thought I was nuts.
But 4Matic...doesn't...slide.
Even in a sweeping turn then cranking the steering to inside full lock, I could barely get her to sway. So I turned off the ESP and tromped on it....thats when rent-a-cop pulled up.
The coupe....heheh....is a blast in the snow!
Oh wait, you were asking about the safety factor? Learn to control it, and you'll have as much fun as I do.
(the MG's get parked for the winter, but I've taken one out for slide testing....feels similar to a wet road...very little dynamics til you pull up the parking brake)
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Originally Posted by vadim
You must have been driving on roads clear of snow to be saying this. On packed of fresh snow the stock Mich Pilot Sports are as useful as banana peels. For these cars a set of winter tires is a must if you really want to drive with confidence.
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Originally Posted by ctC230K
Mine came with Continental Sport Contact 2 not PS. maybe the Conti's are better?
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Originally Posted by vadim
Maybe, but don't bet on it anyway - driving like that is very unsafe, you won't be able to stop when you need it. Just look at Tirerack.com, all ultra-high performance summer tires have "n/a" rating for snow traction.
i don't drive that fast in snow anyway.
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Originally Posted by ctC230K
my 13.6" drilled and ventilated front brakes say otherwise. :p
i don't drive that fast in snow anyway.
i don't drive that fast in snow anyway.
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Originally Posted by ctC230K
nope but that is where the abs and esp come in! lol
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Originally Posted by vadim
You must have been driving on roads clear of snow to be saying this. On packed of fresh snow the stock Mich Pilot Sports are as useful as banana peels. For these cars a set of winter tires is a must if you really want to drive with confidence.
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Originally Posted by doctamb
I totally agree with you, however if you drive at low speeds you should never get stuck especially if you are smart and use manumatic or manual gearshifts when necessary. However, I will be definitely looking for some all season performance tires Mud/Snow. DOes pirelli carry any all seasons? Probably would be expensive, but well worth it.
For availability, check www.tirerack.com. I have had nothing but good experience with them, having bought 6 sets from this company.
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screw that... why get "hi-performance" winter tires?
Get hi-performance summer tires and "safe" winter tires!
I went to Discount tire yesterday, and got a quote for some different 18" & 19" with Dunlops and 16" steelies with syped and studded winter tires.
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Thinking of getting one of the two: (for a black SC)
19x8 35HB
OR
(2) 19x8.5 & (2) 19x9.5
Get hi-performance summer tires and "safe" winter tires!
I went to Discount tire yesterday, and got a quote for some different 18" & 19" with Dunlops and 16" steelies with syped and studded winter tires.
Off topic:
Thinking of getting one of the two: (for a black SC)
19x8 35HB
OR
(2) 19x8.5 & (2) 19x9.5
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On my C55 (which is even more a nightmare in the winter) I had to take off the stock tires because they are summer only, with 17" ASA St4 knockoff rims and Michillien Pilot Alpin Pa2's my car is just fine.
I have driven it every day, even during our really bad storms and never had a single problem. It even clawed itself out of my driveway.
can't wait to get back to a good performance set up.
I have driven it every day, even during our really bad storms and never had a single problem. It even clawed itself out of my driveway.
can't wait to get back to a good performance set up.
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Originally Posted by Deutscher_Wagen
screw that... why get "hi-performance" winter tires?
Get hi-performance summer tires and "safe" winter tires!
I went to Discount tire yesterday, and got a quote for some different 18" & 19" with Dunlops and 16" steelies with syped and studded winter tires.
Off topic:
Thinking of getting one of the two: (for a black SC)
19x8 35HB
OR
(2) 19x8.5 & (2) 19x9.5
Get hi-performance summer tires and "safe" winter tires!
I went to Discount tire yesterday, and got a quote for some different 18" & 19" with Dunlops and 16" steelies with syped and studded winter tires.
Off topic:
Thinking of getting one of the two: (for a black SC)
19x8 35HB
OR
(2) 19x8.5 & (2) 19x9.5
I still say all seasons are the least hassle solution especially for people like me who just don't have the time to start changing tires and rims every season. Sucks!
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Originally Posted by Deutscher_Wagen
screw that... why get "hi-performance" winter tires? Get hi-performance summer tires and "safe" winter tires!
The only time I had a traction problem was on an icy patch covered by a few inches of snow, starting uphill. Luckily I had space to back up a bit, so I did and off I went. I may yet eat my words if we finally get a "real" snow storm with ice and more than four inches of snow, but so far I am very happy with my winter tire selection.
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Originally Posted by ayilar
may yet eat my words if we finally get a "real" snow storm with ice and more than four inches of snow
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Originally Posted by Deutscher_Wagen
That's just the thing... I live in Colorado and here the winter season is a little more extreme than other places.
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I said before, I live on LI and got Michelin Pilot Sports A/S, and they are great in the snow. Obviously not as much traction as winter tires, but still plenty to go around. I feel completely safe with them. But then again I also had plenty of practice of driving in the snow, and when ever I have the chance I go to a big empty parking lot and "practice" snow skids!!! They may not have the performance of the summer tires either, but they can certianly handle what this car can for street driving. If I was going to track the car, then of course I would use high performance tires.
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Originally Posted by Capt Nemo o2
I said before, I live on LI and got Michelin Pilot Sports A/S, and they are great in the snow. Obviously not as much traction as winter tires, but still plenty to go around. I feel completely safe with them. But then again I also had plenty of practice of driving in the snow, and when ever I have the chance I go to a big empty parking lot and "practice" snow skids!!! They may not have the performance of the summer tires either, but they can certianly handle what this car can for street driving. If I was going to track the car, then of course I would use high performance tires.
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Originally Posted by Capt Nemo o2
I said before, I live on LI and got Michelin Pilot Sports A/S, and they are great in the snow. Obviously not as much traction as winter tires, but still plenty to go around. I feel completely safe with them. But then again I also had plenty of practice of driving in the snow, and when ever I have the chance I go to a big empty parking lot and "practice" snow skids!!! They may not have the performance of the summer tires either, but they can certianly handle what this car can for street driving. If I was going to track the car, then of course I would use high performance tires.
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Originally Posted by ayilar
I live in the mid-Atlantic and got Michelin Pilot Alpin PA2 tires last November. The PA2's have allowed me to go through this winter without trouble. Unlike the "safe" winter tires, these performance winter tires are excellent in the rain and very good on the cold dry roads that have characterized much of this winter.
The only time I had a traction problem was on an icy patch covered by a few inches of snow, starting uphill. Luckily I had space to back up a bit, so I did and off I went. I may yet eat my words if we finally get a "real" snow storm with ice and more than four inches of snow, but so far I am very happy with my winter tire selection.
The only time I had a traction problem was on an icy patch covered by a few inches of snow, starting uphill. Luckily I had space to back up a bit, so I did and off I went. I may yet eat my words if we finally get a "real" snow storm with ice and more than four inches of snow, but so far I am very happy with my winter tire selection.
) was that I drive A LOT. I had blizzaks full snow tire on my S2000 last winter and it was great in snow, but if the highway was just cold and not snow covered any speed above 60mph made the car very unstable. With my current set up on the C55, when the roads are clear, i can safetly travel at and above our high way speeds (70mph is limit here).If I didnt drive so much I may have thought of a different tire, but for a good mix you can't beat the Pa2.
Funny we're having this discussion now, as I'm getting ready to swap back to my summer set up
