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Old 05-27-2009, 04:59 PM
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benz pre-runs their engines... so myth
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Originally Posted by spoolIT85
benz pre-runs their engines... so myth
Benz pre-run of an engine is - onto engine dyno, quick connect up, quick full power pull & check for faults & off to storage for installation. They do not need old traditional type run in. They have MOS2 coated rings and Alusil bores.
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i bought one a couple of weeks ago ... now at 1000 kms [not miles] .... manual says to operate at "varying but moderate speeds" for the first 1500kms .......head foreman of the dealer's service dept says to make sure i "gun it" up some hills from time to time ......manual also says not to exceed 2/3 of max RPM for a given gear ....

any thoughts from anyone ?

i had a '95 E320 .... boy has this car come a long way !! it is an amazing specimen both in & out ..... has features & does things i didn't know existed .....
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Don't be too gentle or it will never run in with modern oils. Bursts at full throttle are a good idea. Try & stay away from constant throttle for hours on end. As long as engine temperature is stable you have nothing to worry about. If it's tight the temp will rise.

Transmission & axle will be run in at 100 miles.
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It's important to do an engine break in, and the idea of "babying it" is not breaking it in, you are doing yourself a disservice. A proper breakin, like the one Brabus performs after they bore the 350 engine to 4000 cc and replace the cylinder walls and such is done in a few hours... but breaking any engine in will run it through it's paces at every RPM, not just 500-4,000. Don't be afraid to give it some gas when passing or something.. just make sure to cool it down if it starts to heat up.
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Originally Posted by MBreezy
Do you guys really think there is a break in period on our cars?? Ive read articles saying the best way to break in a new engine is by running it hard(something about piston rings, really not sure) and other articles, including our manual advises to be gentle with the car within first 1000 miles. Im still at 500 miles but ive pushed it few times already, I just feel that engines on bmws & benz's are built for performance and are put through plenty of strenuous tests which leads me to assume that the so called "break in" period is a myth. what do u guys think???
I believe it, but I did the exact opposite. For 1200KM I've been driving mostly in C mode, and always less than 4k rpm. Once in a while I'll flip over to S and Manual it for a bit but never over 4k rpm.

The car is in great condition right now with 20,000 KM, just had 2nd service (oil change)
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My manual is clear and though it may have been proofread by lawyers it makes sense where it says to be rational for the first 1500 Km and not gun the car over 3/4 of max speed. Well, I had a drive out from the dealership of 900 Km and I did not go over 195 Km/h at any time, respecting the metro areas and speed traps on the highways so the engine would work smoothly and at varied speeds all the time. I confess I did not reach the 3/4 power mark of 210 Km/h, but today with 9700 Km the car runs better than ever and does not overuse any fluid. It is like people, it is not good to get drunk but is cozy to enjoy a drink.
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The first few hundred miles of a new engine's life have a major impact on how strongly that engine will perform, how much oil it will consume and how long it will last. The main purpose of break-in is to seat the compression rings to the cylinder walls. We are talking about the physical mating of the engine's piston rings to it's corresponding cylinder wall. That is, we want to physically wear the new piston rings into the cylinder wall until a compatible seal between the two is achieved.

Proper engine break in will produce an engine that achieves maximum power output with the least amount of oil consumption due to the fact that the piston rings have seated properly to the cylinder wall. When the piston rings are broken in or seated, they do not allow combustion gases to escape the combustion chamber past the piston rings into the crankcase section of the engine. This lack of "blow-by" keeps your engine running cleaner and cooler by preventing hot combustion gases and by-products from entering the crankcase section of the engine. Excessive "blow-by" will cause the crankcase section of the engine to become pressurized and contaminated with combustion gases, which in turn will force normal oil vapors out of the engine's breather, causing the engine to consume excessive amounts of oil.

In addition to sealing combustion gases in the combustion chamber, piston rings must also manage the amount of oil present on the cylinder walls for lubrication. If the rings do not seat properly, they cannot perform this function and will allow excessive amounts of oil to accumulate on the cylinder wall surfaces. This oil is burned each and every time the cylinder fires. The burning of this oil, coupled with "blow-by" induced engine breathing, are reasons that an engine that hasn't been broken in will consume more than its share of oil.

When a cylinder is new or overhauled the surface of it's walls are honed with abrasive stones to produce a rough surface that will help wear the piston rings in. This roughing up of the surface is known as "cross-hatching". A cylinder wall that has been properly "cross hatched" has a series of minute peaks and valleys cut into its surface. The face or portion of the piston ring that interfaces with the cross hatched cylinder wall is tapered to allow only a small portion of the ring to contact the honed cylinder wall. When the engine is operated, the tapered portion of the face of the piston ring rubs against the coarse surface of the cylinder wall causing wear on both objects.

Each tiny groove acts as the oil reservoir holding oil up to the top level of the groove where it then spreads over the peak surface. The piston ring must travel up and down over this grooved surface, and must "hydroplane" on the oil film retained by the grooves. Otherwise, the ring would make metal-to-metal contact with the cylinder wall and the cylinder would quickly wear out.

However the ring will only ride on this film of oil if there is sufficient surface area to support the ring on the oil. When the cylinders are freshly honed the peaks are sharp with little surface area. Our goal when seating the rings on new steel cylinders is to flatten out these peaks to give more surface area to support the rings, while leaving the bottom of the groove intact to hold enough oil to keep the surface of the cylinder wet with oil. See illustration. At the point where the top of the peaks produced by the honing operation become smooth and the tapered portion of the piston ring wears flat break in has occurred.

When the engine is operating, a force known as Break Mean Effective Pressure or B.M.E.P is generated within the combustion chamber. B.M.E.P. is the resultant force produced from the controlled burning of the fuel air mixture that the engine runs on. The higher the power setting the engine is running at, the higher the B.M.E.P. is and conversely as the power setting is lowered the B.M.E.P. becomes less.

B.M.E.P is an important part of the break in process. When the engine is running, B.M.E.P. is present in the cylinder behind the piston rings and it's force pushes the piston ring outward against the coarse honed cylinder wall. Piston rings are designed to take advantage of the pressure and us it to push the rings out against the cylinder wall. Therefore, as pressure builds during the compression stroke, the rings are pushed harder against the cylinder wall which aids in seating the rings.

The higher the B.M.E.P, the harder the piston ring is pushed against the wall. The surface temperature at the piston ring face and cylinder wall interface will be greater with high B.M.E.P. than with low B.M.E.P. This is because we are pushing the ring harder against the rough cylinder wall surface causing high amounts of friction and thus heat. The primary deterrent of break in is this heat. Allowing to much heat to build up at the ring to cylinder wall interface will cause the lubricating oil that is present to break down and glaze the cylinder wall surface. This glaze will prevent any further seating of the piston rings. If glazing is allowed to happen break in will never occur. Also, if too little pressure (throttle) is used during the break-in period glazing will also occur.

Most people seem to operate on the philosophy that they can best get their money's worth from any mechanical device by treating it with great care. This is probably true, but in many cases it is necessary to interpret what great care really means. This is particularly applicable when considering the break-in of a modern, reciprocating engine.

For those who still think that running the engine hard during break-in falls into the category of cruel and unusual punishment, there is one more argument for using high power loading for short periods (to avoid excessive heat) during the break-in. The use of low power settings does not expand the piston rings enough, and a film of oil is left on the cylinder walls. The high temperatures in the combustion chamber will oxidize this oil film so that it creates glazing of the cylinder walls. When this happens, the ring break-in process stops, and excessive oil consumption frequently occurs. The bad news is that extensive glazing can only be corrected by removing the cylinders and rehoning the walls. This is expensive, and it is an expense that can be avoided by proper break in procedures.

We must achieve a happy medium where we are pushing on the ring hard enough to wear it in but not hard enough to generate enough heat to cause glazing. Once again, if glazing should occur, the only remedy is to remove the effected cylinder, re-hone it and replace the piston rings and start the whole process over again.

We asked four top motorcycle engine builders what they do to ensure peak power output and optimum engine life. Here is a capsulation of their responses.
"If the wrong type of oil is used initially, or the break-in is too easy, rings and cylinders could (read will) glaze and never seal properly. A fresh cylinder wall needs some medium to high engine loading to get the piston rings to seat properly for good compression but make sure you don't lug or overheat the engine. Use high quality, low viscosity oil (Valvoline 30 weight), no synthetics, too slippery. If synthetics are used during initial break in the rings are sure to glaze over.

An engine's initial run should be used to bring oil and coolant (air, oil, and/or water) up to operating temperature only, with little or no load, then shut down and allowed to cool to ambient temperature. This is important. After each run the engine needs to completely cool down to ambient temperature. In Texas, especially in the summer, that's still pretty hot. After a cool down period, start it up again and take the motorcycle for it's fist ride (you hope).

This time give the engine light loads at relatively low rpm and stay out of top gear. Lugging the engine, i.e., low RPM with a lot of throttle (manifold pressure), is more detrimental than high rpm. Another key is too constantly vary engine load during the entire break-in period. A constant load is not ideal for breaking in bearing tolerances. This second run should last only 10-15 minutes before another complete cool down.

The third run should see slightly higher rpm with light to medium power loading using short bursts of acceleration to help seat the rings. Again 10-15 minutes of running should do it and again avoid top gear. A forth run should consist of light to medium engine loads with a few more bursts of medium-high rpm, and lasting just 10-15 minutes varying the engine load and again avoiding top gear. Next while the engine is still warm drain the oil and change the filter. This gets out the new metal particles that are being worn away. Most of the metal particles will break away within the first 50 -75 miles. To ensure the rings seat well, use the same high quality oil and don't be shy about short duration high rpm blasts through the lower gears after the oil has been changed.

A few more 15-20 minute sessions should be used to work up to the engine's redline gradually increasing the engine loads. After some definite hard running and 250-500 miles it's a good idea to check the valves. After 500 miles re-torqueing the head is suggested. Switch to synthetic oil but not before 500-1500 miles. Most of the engine experts warned of the danger of breaking in the engine too easily and ending up with an engine that will always run slow whether it is from tight tolerances, inadequate ring seal or carbon buildup. Engine load is more detrimental than rpm because of the head created internally, so avoid lugging the engine but rev it freely especially in the lower gears. Basically, be sure not to get it too hot but be sure to seat the rings properly.

This is a nice write-up. Others can speculate at will, but I'll go with MB who I believe to be the "experts". I just purchased a 2014 ML350 Bluetec and the owners manual clearly states the need for a 1000 mile break-in period. That excerpt is below:
Notes on breaking-in a new vehicle
Important safety notes


New and replaced brake pads and discs only
reach their optimum braking effect after
several hundred kilometers of driving.
Compensate for this by applying greater force
to the brake pedal.


The first 1000 miles (1500 km)
The more you look after the engine when it is
new, the more satisfied you will be with its
performance in the future.
You should therefore drive at varying
vehicle and engine speeds for the first
1000 miles (1500 km).
Avoid heavy loads, e.g. driving at full
throttle, during this period.
Change gear in good time, before the
tachometer needle is Ô of the way to the
red area of the tachometer.
Do not manually shift to a lower gear to
brake the vehicle.
If possible, do not depress the accelerator
pedal past the point of resistance (kickdown).
After 1000 miles (1500 km), you can increase
the engine speed gradually and accelerate
the vehicle to full speed.


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Good Day All,

I absolutely agree with RABEND"s post and the manual. I now have 1200 miles on the 2014 c 300 4 matic that I bought new and with the exception of 100 mile trip from the dealer, have mostly driven surface streets and below 70 on the highways. Why not? Now it's time to play!

I have practiced this impulse control and all my cars and along with regular oil changes, never had any consumption or performance issues. While I may have just been lucky, that lenghtly post while entertaining, is for a motorcycle engine, a completely different beast.

Do what you are comfortable with, but I think airing it out brand new is a bad thing!
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I guess I took it to the extreme when I waited for the first oil change (10k miles) before really testing her out.

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