Automatic transmision - Gear indicator?
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Automatic transmision - Gear indicator?
Hello,
I was wondering, if there is any way how to tell in which gear the car is with AT. If there is any indicator on instrument cluster or elswhere. I was not able to find it on pictures and it could be handy when in touch shift mode.
I am about to get my C 280 4M next month, I was looking at interactive manual and there was no such thing.
Thanks in advance for replies.
D.
I was wondering, if there is any way how to tell in which gear the car is with AT. If there is any indicator on instrument cluster or elswhere. I was not able to find it on pictures and it could be handy when in touch shift mode.
I am about to get my C 280 4M next month, I was looking at interactive manual and there was no such thing.
Thanks in advance for replies.
D.
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Hello,
I was wondering, if there is any way how to tell in which gear the car is with AT. If there is any indicator on instrument cluster or elswhere. I was not able to find it on pictures and it could be handy when in touch shift mode.
I am about to get my C 280 4M next month, I was looking at interactive manual and there was no such thing.
Thanks in advance for replies.
D.
I was wondering, if there is any way how to tell in which gear the car is with AT. If there is any indicator on instrument cluster or elswhere. I was not able to find it on pictures and it could be handy when in touch shift mode.
I am about to get my C 280 4M next month, I was looking at interactive manual and there was no such thing.
Thanks in advance for replies.
D.
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that's not exactly accurate either...when in D the car will not display the gear that it is currently using.
however, if you drive using the manu-matic mode, the car will show which gear you have selected and which one you are currently using until you shift all the way up to 7th gear, back into D.
Hope that's what you were looking for!
however, if you drive using the manu-matic mode, the car will show which gear you have selected and which one you are currently using until you shift all the way up to 7th gear, back into D.
Hope that's what you were looking for!
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that's not exactly accurate either...when in D the car will not display the gear that it is currently using.
however, if you drive using the manu-matic mode, the car will show which gear you have selected and which one you are currently using until you shift all the way up to 7th gear, back into D.
Hope that's what you were looking for!
however, if you drive using the manu-matic mode, the car will show which gear you have selected and which one you are currently using until you shift all the way up to 7th gear, back into D.
Hope that's what you were looking for!
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Are you certain about this?
In the W203, the manu-matic only lets you select the maximum gear - not necessarily displaying the ACTUAL gear you're in.
Example: (5speed auto). Knock the tranny down two gears (5 to 3). '3' is displayed in the indicator. Come to a stop. The indicator still shows 3, but you're actually in 1. Now start to accelerate. The tranny will shift 1, 2, 3 - but the display is always showing '3'.
Hopefully, MB fixed this deficiency in the 204 - but somehow I doubt it.
In the W203, the manu-matic only lets you select the maximum gear - not necessarily displaying the ACTUAL gear you're in.
Example: (5speed auto). Knock the tranny down two gears (5 to 3). '3' is displayed in the indicator. Come to a stop. The indicator still shows 3, but you're actually in 1. Now start to accelerate. The tranny will shift 1, 2, 3 - but the display is always showing '3'.
Hopefully, MB fixed this deficiency in the 204 - but somehow I doubt it.
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Are you certain about this?
In the W203, the manu-matic only lets you select the maximum gear - not necessarily displaying the ACTUAL gear you're in.
Example: (5speed auto). Knock the tranny down two gears (5 to 3). '3' is displayed in the indicator. Come to a stop. The indicator still shows 3, but you're actually in 1. Now start to accelerate. The tranny will shift 1, 2, 3 - but the display is always showing '3'.
Hopefully, MB fixed this deficiency in the 204 - but somehow I doubt it.
In the W203, the manu-matic only lets you select the maximum gear - not necessarily displaying the ACTUAL gear you're in.
Example: (5speed auto). Knock the tranny down two gears (5 to 3). '3' is displayed in the indicator. Come to a stop. The indicator still shows 3, but you're actually in 1. Now start to accelerate. The tranny will shift 1, 2, 3 - but the display is always showing '3'.
Hopefully, MB fixed this deficiency in the 204 - but somehow I doubt it.
Chris
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I have to disagree with you somewhat. I know that MB's are made to cruise, but I would rather see which gear I'm actually in, then have the ability to go up/down from there; rather than be able to set the maximum and then wonder where I actually am below the level set.
If I select '4', then slow for a corner and am now in '3', but I want to drop a gear to accelerate quicker: I then have to shift down 2 clicks (4-3, 3-2) to get 2nd. It's not intuititive at all. If the car is in 3rd, one click down from 3rd should be 2nd - not 3rd. It's hard to figure out what the transmission group was thinking when they came up with this idea of limiting the max. gear rather than actually controlling which gear you're in.
(and the OP asked if there was a way to show which gear he's actually in, rather than which is the maximum gear the car might get to; and it seems there is not)
If I select '4', then slow for a corner and am now in '3', but I want to drop a gear to accelerate quicker: I then have to shift down 2 clicks (4-3, 3-2) to get 2nd. It's not intuititive at all. If the car is in 3rd, one click down from 3rd should be 2nd - not 3rd. It's hard to figure out what the transmission group was thinking when they came up with this idea of limiting the max. gear rather than actually controlling which gear you're in.
(and the OP asked if there was a way to show which gear he's actually in, rather than which is the maximum gear the car might get to; and it seems there is not)
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I have to disagree with you somewhat. I know that MB's are made to cruise, but I would rather see which gear I'm actually in, then have the ability to go up/down from there; rather than be able to set the maximum and then wonder where I actually am below the level set.
If I select '4', then slow for a corner and am now in '3', but I want to drop a gear to accelerate quicker: I then have to shift down 2 clicks (4-3, 3-2) to get 2nd. It's not intuititive at all. If the car is in 3rd, one click down from 3rd should be 2nd - not 3rd. It's hard to figure out what the transmission group was thinking when they came up with this idea of limiting the max. gear rather than actually controlling which gear you're in.
(and the OP asked if there was a way to show which gear he's actually in, rather than which is the maximum gear the car might get to; and it seems there is not)
If I select '4', then slow for a corner and am now in '3', but I want to drop a gear to accelerate quicker: I then have to shift down 2 clicks (4-3, 3-2) to get 2nd. It's not intuititive at all. If the car is in 3rd, one click down from 3rd should be 2nd - not 3rd. It's hard to figure out what the transmission group was thinking when they came up with this idea of limiting the max. gear rather than actually controlling which gear you're in.
(and the OP asked if there was a way to show which gear he's actually in, rather than which is the maximum gear the car might get to; and it seems there is not)
if you are desiring that your car automatically downshifts to the lowest gear (2n-d gear that you were referring to in corners) then you need to change your habit of 5-4-3-2 and relearn the proper method of achieving what you want which is holding the stick to the left for 1 sec instead of just nudging it over. same principle with the upshift as well. instead of upshifting gear to gear, simply hold the lever to the right and all will be done for you.
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If you want the car to go to the lowest gear immediately, and all you have to do is hold the lever to the left for 1 sec, why would it even matter if you weren't able to see which gear # it was in any event?
Does seeing whether you are in 2nd or 3rd help you go faster around a corner?
I'd like to think that it's based on feel, not on which gear can take which speed.
Does seeing whether you are in 2nd or 3rd help you go faster around a corner?
I'd like to think that it's based on feel, not on which gear can take which speed.
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You are correct if you want to go to the LOWEST gear possible - but why not simply allow the driver to select which gear, instead of a choice LOWEST or HIGHEST?
At most speeds, it is possible for the car to run in 3 or 4 gears, depending on throttle position, etc. To go to the lowest means lots of boy-racer sounds, to simply go down 1 gear gives more acceleration without running at high rpms.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Benz. I've had mine 6+ years, and >108k miles - but the transmission has always been a sore point. Especially after driving the wife's old Passat with Tip-tronic, and my friends 3-series with their SportStick.
At most speeds, it is possible for the car to run in 3 or 4 gears, depending on throttle position, etc. To go to the lowest means lots of boy-racer sounds, to simply go down 1 gear gives more acceleration without running at high rpms.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Benz. I've had mine 6+ years, and >108k miles - but the transmission has always been a sore point. Especially after driving the wife's old Passat with Tip-tronic, and my friends 3-series with their SportStick.
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I actually like the fact that if I'm stopped, but know there's a turn ahead and don't want the trans to shift beyond 3rd gear I tap to the left and then to the right until it says 3.
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yeah me too...or even when you have a short stint and just want to end up in the 3-4k rpm range of 2nd
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You are correct if you want to go to the LOWEST gear possible - but why not simply allow the driver to select which gear, instead of a choice LOWEST or HIGHEST?
At most speeds, it is possible for the car to run in 3 or 4 gears, depending on throttle position, etc. To go to the lowest means lots of boy-racer sounds, to simply go down 1 gear gives more acceleration without running at high rpms.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Benz. I've had mine 6+ years, and >108k miles - but the transmission has always been a sore point. Especially after driving the wife's old Passat with Tip-tronic, and my friends 3-series with their SportStick.
At most speeds, it is possible for the car to run in 3 or 4 gears, depending on throttle position, etc. To go to the lowest means lots of boy-racer sounds, to simply go down 1 gear gives more acceleration without running at high rpms.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Benz. I've had mine 6+ years, and >108k miles - but the transmission has always been a sore point. Especially after driving the wife's old Passat with Tip-tronic, and my friends 3-series with their SportStick.
just an inference, not fact, but more than likely.
let this one go, it's a null point and doesn't bother the normal driver. can you imagine if every time you touched the stick to the left the thing would automatically get in the lowest gear? 90% of our clients would ***** from the delta in transmission deceleration, or that "jerk" or "clank" that we all refer to.
guess what, they had to choose, and i think they chose the lesser of two evils from a service perspective.
for that remainder of 10%, they outfitted the cars with the capability to downshift in the lowest gear by holding the lever to left. Adapt to how the car was built, you won't have a problem..If you want a custom built car to all your specifications and desires, get $20 mill and start developing.
in the mean time, i'm happy with my lease payment and the car that sits in my garage.
let's be realistic, this is an entry level C-class, not a clk bs.
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I see your point, but EVERY other auto-stick on the market works the same - shift up goes up one gear (from the gear that the car is presently in), shift down goes down one gear.
Can you imagine if they applied this same logic to the steering or brakes????
Can you imagine if they applied this same logic to the steering or brakes????
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I'm with dmatre on this one.
If there is an option to have manual shifts on an automatic (like we do in our cars), then I would EXPECT that the system would shift to whatever gear I want (with prevention of overrevs, of course). Of course, MB didn't go this direction. Manual mode in our W204s is more "automatic" than "manual," since the system still shifts automatically up to the highest gear you've determined. IMHO, bad decision. But then again... you could say that if anyone wanted a "manual" system then they should have gotten a Manual Transmission.
Personally, I only use the manual mode if I need a surge of power and cannot wait for the slow TCU to downshift for me. It works OK in this case. I do wish that kickdown would be faster so that I wouldn't need to bother with the manual downshift.
If there is an option to have manual shifts on an automatic (like we do in our cars), then I would EXPECT that the system would shift to whatever gear I want (with prevention of overrevs, of course). Of course, MB didn't go this direction. Manual mode in our W204s is more "automatic" than "manual," since the system still shifts automatically up to the highest gear you've determined. IMHO, bad decision. But then again... you could say that if anyone wanted a "manual" system then they should have gotten a Manual Transmission.
Personally, I only use the manual mode if I need a surge of power and cannot wait for the slow TCU to downshift for me. It works OK in this case. I do wish that kickdown would be faster so that I wouldn't need to bother with the manual downshift.
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i agree some of you guys the gear select on MB is some how not intuitive at all.
In many cases, say, now it's 3k+ rpm and going uphill, it will often upshift and rpm drops to 2.5k, which I dont like coz I need some more torque. I would like to keep the current gear from upshifting. To do this, I have to downshift once and then upshift once to get it.
I would prefer when I pull the lever to the left, then it holds current gear, then when I pull once more, it downshifts.
In many cases, say, now it's 3k+ rpm and going uphill, it will often upshift and rpm drops to 2.5k, which I dont like coz I need some more torque. I would like to keep the current gear from upshifting. To do this, I have to downshift once and then upshift once to get it.
I would prefer when I pull the lever to the left, then it holds current gear, then when I pull once more, it downshifts.
damnit... D:
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Are you certain about this?
In the W203, the manu-matic only lets you select the maximum gear - not necessarily displaying the ACTUAL gear you're in.
Example: (5speed auto). Knock the tranny down two gears (5 to 3). '3' is displayed in the indicator. Come to a stop. The indicator still shows 3, but you're actually in 1. Now start to accelerate. The tranny will shift 1, 2, 3 - but the display is always showing '3'.
Hopefully, MB fixed this deficiency in the 204 - but somehow I doubt it.
In the W203, the manu-matic only lets you select the maximum gear - not necessarily displaying the ACTUAL gear you're in.
Example: (5speed auto). Knock the tranny down two gears (5 to 3). '3' is displayed in the indicator. Come to a stop. The indicator still shows 3, but you're actually in 1. Now start to accelerate. The tranny will shift 1, 2, 3 - but the display is always showing '3'.
Hopefully, MB fixed this deficiency in the 204 - but somehow I doubt it.
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i agree some of you guys the gear select on MB is some how not intuitive at all.
In many cases, say, now it's 3k+ rpm and going uphill, it will often upshift and rpm drops to 2.5k, which I dont like coz I need some more torque. I would like to keep the current gear from upshifting. To do this, I have to downshift once and then upshift once to get it.
I would prefer when I pull the lever to the left, then it holds current gear, then when I pull once more, it downshifts.
In many cases, say, now it's 3k+ rpm and going uphill, it will often upshift and rpm drops to 2.5k, which I dont like coz I need some more torque. I would like to keep the current gear from upshifting. To do this, I have to downshift once and then upshift once to get it.
I would prefer when I pull the lever to the left, then it holds current gear, then when I pull once more, it downshifts.
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In Malaysia, we get paddle shift as standard for V6 model. There is a "M" manual button next to gear shift and "C/S" switch at the dash. But the paddle shift is kind of boring as the lag using paddle shift is worst than lag in "C" mode.
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