Body shop wants to use PPG Brand Paint? Is it same quality as Factory paint?
09-03-2009, 04:56 PM
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My local Australian MB recommended panel shop checks the paint code on the sticker on the door pillar , dials it into his computer & will paint the car to the specifications of the code .
If the clear coat is ceramic paint he will apply that paint. The insurance company guarantees "the quality of materials & workmanship for the life of the vehicle."
If the clear coat is ceramic paint he will apply that paint. The insurance company guarantees "the quality of materials & workmanship for the life of the vehicle."
09-04-2009, 01:51 AM
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Look, it is the legal responsibility of the other party to make the damaged car's owner whole again. Which means putting him back where he was before the damage. And that means using the correct parts and materials.
When shops buy materials, they put what they don't use on the shelf for the next job.
Stop making up all these "what-if" scenarios because they serve no purpose.
And, I haven't heard what MBUSA says about the correct paint.
When shops buy materials, they put what they don't use on the shelf for the next job.
Stop making up all these "what-if" scenarios because they serve no purpose.
And, I haven't heard what MBUSA says about the correct paint.
That was all he said, but i felt assured by the tone in his voice that PPG should do the job and i wont be able to tell the difference...
09-04-2009, 01:56 AM
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Just to state again I own a Shop In New York and I am a direct repair for most major insurance companies so I happen to know Little about the subject...
First off from my understanding he’s not using either insurance carrier’s body shop which means its going to be up to the shop negotiate what they what and how they want fix the car.
When it comes to what there Legal Responsibility is, it what is considered fair and reasonable and to industry expected standards… that’s why companies can use used parts aftermarket parts different paint etc... I’m not saying I agree but this is the way it is
There not "what if" statements and the purpose they serve was answering his question both ways depending if the clear was available for waterborne or not, he can call PPG and check on that.
And if you read the post, if a customer asks for a certain product that we don’t use in the shop they can be billed and given the left over if I don’t use it in my shop in doesn’t go on my shelf
Also at this point his questions are solely based on the SHOP it’s not the shops legal responsibility to make him whole he has to fight with the insurance company now, he choose the shop. So if it’s not the insurance shop he really can’t go into a shop he chooses and make demands. If he wants want a Nano particle clear he needs to go to a shop that already uses it, not go into a shop and demand they do so.
First off from my understanding he’s not using either insurance carrier’s body shop which means its going to be up to the shop negotiate what they what and how they want fix the car.
When it comes to what there Legal Responsibility is, it what is considered fair and reasonable and to industry expected standards… that’s why companies can use used parts aftermarket parts different paint etc... I’m not saying I agree but this is the way it is
There not "what if" statements and the purpose they serve was answering his question both ways depending if the clear was available for waterborne or not, he can call PPG and check on that.
And if you read the post, if a customer asks for a certain product that we don’t use in the shop they can be billed and given the left over if I don’t use it in my shop in doesn’t go on my shelf
Also at this point his questions are solely based on the SHOP it’s not the shops legal responsibility to make him whole he has to fight with the insurance company now, he choose the shop. So if it’s not the insurance shop he really can’t go into a shop he chooses and make demands. If he wants want a Nano particle clear he needs to go to a shop that already uses it, not go into a shop and demand they do so.
11-01-2009, 05:54 AM
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Hi all,
1. The paint used in refinishing is not the same as OEM, although similar.
2. Daimler (M-B) uses PPG Ceramiclear OEM clearcoat.
3. All approved refinish paint suppliers have a Daimler approved solution for ceramiclear (nanoclear).
4. Approved Daimler paint brands are: Glasurit; PPG, R-M, Spies Hecker and Standox. Sikkens is NOT approved.
1. The paint used in refinishing is not the same as OEM, although similar.
2. Daimler (M-B) uses PPG Ceramiclear OEM clearcoat.
3. All approved refinish paint suppliers have a Daimler approved solution for ceramiclear (nanoclear).
4. Approved Daimler paint brands are: Glasurit; PPG, R-M, Spies Hecker and Standox. Sikkens is NOT approved.
11-01-2009, 06:25 AM
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Insist on waterbased base coat & nano clear from Glasurit or Spies. What the plants use. Mainly Glasurit.
Your paint will then age in similar fashion to OE with no visible fading of the colour match.
MBSA insist on the Glasurit system for all patch repairing.
If you have a South African sourced 204 - use Glasurit - That's whats on it.
Your paint will then age in similar fashion to OE with no visible fading of the colour match.
MBSA insist on the Glasurit system for all patch repairing.
If you have a South African sourced 204 - use Glasurit - That's whats on it.
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11-03-2009, 12:48 AM
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LOADED 08' C350 & 14' GLK-350 Diamond White (P1, MM, AMG Pkg, Ln Trkng, Htd Sts, Keylss Go)
Insist on waterbased base coat & nano clear from Glasurit or Spies. What the plants use. Mainly Glasurit.
Your paint will then age in similar fashion to OE with no visible fading of the colour match.
MBSA insist on the Glasurit system for all patch repairing.
If you have a South African sourced 204 - use Glasurit - That's whats on it.
Your paint will then age in similar fashion to OE with no visible fading of the colour match.
MBSA insist on the Glasurit system for all patch repairing.
If you have a South African sourced 204 - use Glasurit - That's whats on it.
hope it lasts and doesnt fade faster...
11-03-2009, 06:31 AM
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I've been a little half asleep. Your car is white - don't worry - you will be fine. I know white is not one colour but the chances of fade out are close to zero. Greater chance of yellowing with time. The water based paints don't yellow so you are good to go.
11-29-2009, 12:02 PM
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PPG DC4010 is not nano technology scratch resistant clear.
To be specific, PPG is now OEM for all CeramiClear finished vehicles (C on paint code) since 2003. For refinish it specifically is PPG Global Line D8126 "CeramiClear" clearcoat. "Cerimiclear" is a PPG trademark. All others specifiy nano technology. You can even do a Google search on PPG CeramiClear and it's joint development with Mercedes Benz.
I am a hobbyist Mercedes Benz restorer since the 80s and have always followed Mercedes Benz paint trends as I go nuts if OEM materials are not used (it's a sickness). Back then and through 2003 it has been BASF (Glasurit) or Herberts (Spies Hecker or Standox) acquired by Dupont.
I was using Spies Hecker's system through 2003 on all my restores but have switched over to PPG Global Line system since 2004 especially PPG CeramiClear. Honestly I prefer PPG's nano technology clear and have tried Spies Hecker's and Glasurit's nano clear versions numerous times to compare.
Out of all, most expensive price wise is Spies Hecker, then Standox, then Glasurit, then PPG.
Between PPG and the others, scratch resistance is of two different technologies. PPG is scratch resistant through its hardness. The are two are through its softness by self healing (supposively melts togethers).
In regards to finish you can't tell if the refinisher did a good job in matching color and texture (orange peel).
My preference in brand if it was still OEM is Spies Hecker as they make the simplist system is terms of selection, mixing, and use.
Regardless they are all good but if you want OEM and your vehicle is CeramiClear based go with PPG Global Line and specify PPG D8126 for clearcoat.
To be specific, PPG is now OEM for all CeramiClear finished vehicles (C on paint code) since 2003. For refinish it specifically is PPG Global Line D8126 "CeramiClear" clearcoat. "Cerimiclear" is a PPG trademark. All others specifiy nano technology. You can even do a Google search on PPG CeramiClear and it's joint development with Mercedes Benz.
I am a hobbyist Mercedes Benz restorer since the 80s and have always followed Mercedes Benz paint trends as I go nuts if OEM materials are not used (it's a sickness). Back then and through 2003 it has been BASF (Glasurit) or Herberts (Spies Hecker or Standox) acquired by Dupont.
I was using Spies Hecker's system through 2003 on all my restores but have switched over to PPG Global Line system since 2004 especially PPG CeramiClear. Honestly I prefer PPG's nano technology clear and have tried Spies Hecker's and Glasurit's nano clear versions numerous times to compare.
Out of all, most expensive price wise is Spies Hecker, then Standox, then Glasurit, then PPG.
Between PPG and the others, scratch resistance is of two different technologies. PPG is scratch resistant through its hardness. The are two are through its softness by self healing (supposively melts togethers).
In regards to finish you can't tell if the refinisher did a good job in matching color and texture (orange peel).
My preference in brand if it was still OEM is Spies Hecker as they make the simplist system is terms of selection, mixing, and use.
Regardless they are all good but if you want OEM and your vehicle is CeramiClear based go with PPG Global Line and specify PPG D8126 for clearcoat.
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11-29-2009, 05:19 PM
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Let me assure you that SA built cars have Glasurit paint on them. BTW - MBSA make no reference to Ceramiclear - They simply advertise nanoclear technology.
Agree with you on Spies Hecker. Did my Jag with it. Great finish.
Agree with you on Spies Hecker. Did my Jag with it. Great finish.
Last edited by Glyn M Ruck; 11-29-2009 at 07:09 PM.
