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I honestly don't believe that current Audi reliability is drastically different than MB.
Micropower..excellent choice. Still would've gone with the S5 but im guessing you need the 4 doors for practical reasons.
Like I said before I despise Lexus and the 3 series is as bland as a Civic, so I think you made the right choice.
Micropower..excellent choice. Still would've gone with the S5 but im guessing you need the 4 doors for practical reasons.
Like I said before I despise Lexus and the 3 series is as bland as a Civic, so I think you made the right choice.
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I honestly don't believe that current Audi reliability is drastically different than MB.
Micropower..excellent choice. Still would've gone with the S5 but im guessing you need the 4 doors for practical reasons.
Like I said before I despise Lexus and the 3 series is as bland as a Civic, so I think you made the right choice.
Micropower..excellent choice. Still would've gone with the S5 but im guessing you need the 4 doors for practical reasons.
Like I said before I despise Lexus and the 3 series is as bland as a Civic, so I think you made the right choice.
If that is your final decision and you have a choice between dealers, hang out around the write up areas in service one morning and see how customers are handled. I know we kidded about Audi quality earlier, but if you are determined to take the chance with the lower reliability choice, you may improve your overall odds by finding the more customer oriented dealership. Good luck!
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How is the S5 a pos when it's basically identical to the S4? The only difference being the S5 uses the old V8 and the S4 has the new supercharged 6 (and I assume the S5 will be getting the new engine for 2011).
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s5 fully loaded is the same price as my c63 was fully loaded for half the car...that's why its an overpriced POS. For 8-10k less might be worth it.
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i'm not quite understanding what you are saying. even phil/nlpamg who has an M5 was impressed with the IS-F performance, but he said he like the C63 more only for the fact that it sounds insane. IS-F right now is pretty cheap btw last I checked they were around $54k OTD it's around the same price as the S4.
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in 2009 fully loaded was 68.5k about and s5 was 62-65k as you said, most of us got cash off msrp (2k personally) off our C63s, regardless they were only a few k difference, not 10. Plus the audi dealerships in LA think they have the best european car on the market and wouldn't let me test drive without talking numbers first. Far from the truth, they are still in BMW and MB's shadow. They don't give deals on them at least here and to top it off they are overpriced - 62-65k is about 8k too much. The difference in purpose of these two cars is not as great as you make it sound. They're both performance oriented cars and model competitors considering audi has nothing else, well only 1 is really.
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in 2009 fully loaded was 68.5k about and s5 was 62-65k as you said, most of us got cash off msrp (2k personally) off our C63s, regardless they were only a few k difference, not 10. Plus the audi dealerships in LA think they have the best european car on the market and wouldn't let me test drive without talking numbers first. Far from the truth, they are still in BMW and MB's shadow. They don't give deals on them at least here and to top it off they are overpriced - 62-65k is about 8k too much. The difference in purpose of these two cars is not as great as you make it sound. They're both performance oriented cars and model competitors considering audi has nothing else, well only 1 is really.
the service difference between dealership is negligible since there are always bad dealerships out there just depends on where you go. I've been treated badly by all three at different locations.
I just don't think they're overpriced since for MB, BMW, Audi, the coupe version of something has always demanded a higher price. for comparison, E550 coupe is about the same price as the S5 and that is really the real comparison for the S5. I really don't think people that are considering about the S5 would care to shop the C63 vise versa, unless you did it. I'd only look at C63/M3/ISF/CTS-V if it's me. If i'm considering a coupe then it would be between S5 and the e92 M3 for a performance coupe that is. lol
too bad the RS5 is not available in the US otherwise it would've give the C63/M3/ISF a run for the money.
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http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...remium-vehicle
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...ry-premium-car
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as far as the "sub par performance in it's category"...like i've said before...Audi didn't market it as a C63/M3 competitor but rather a CLK550/E550 and some what a e92 335 competitor.
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You know, I didn't even think to post the car that came in #2 in my car buying dilema.. the Jaguar XJ Supercharged.
This sticker price is marked at like $76k but when I walked into the dealership for the first time, they offered to order one from the factory for $54k, so the markdown is impressive.
Apparently, there's been a dramatic shift in pricing between the '09 and '11 model. The XJ Supersport, which has the 510 hp engine I was looking at, is base priced at $110k. I wonder if there's still such insane price flexibility or if they've adjusted their production and tightened their inventory. The nice thing about the jag was that there's no need to put in a bunch of options, it's base model has pretty much everything you need.
This sticker price is marked at like $76k but when I walked into the dealership for the first time, they offered to order one from the factory for $54k, so the markdown is impressive.
Apparently, there's been a dramatic shift in pricing between the '09 and '11 model. The XJ Supersport, which has the 510 hp engine I was looking at, is base priced at $110k. I wonder if there's still such insane price flexibility or if they've adjusted their production and tightened their inventory. The nice thing about the jag was that there's no need to put in a bunch of options, it's base model has pretty much everything you need.
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I am not debating my belief versus yours.....this is large sample data, reported by owners, and which trumps any individual personal opinions.
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...remium-vehicle
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...ry-premium-car
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...remium-vehicle
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...ry-premium-car
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You know, I didn't even think to post the car that came in #2 in my car buying dilema.. the Jaguar XJ Supercharged.
This sticker price is marked at like $76k but when I walked into the dealership for the first time, they offered to order one from the factory for $54k, so the markdown is impressive.
Apparently, there's been a dramatic shift in pricing between the '09 and '11 model. The XJ Supersport, which has the 510 hp engine I was looking at, is base priced at $110k. I wonder if there's still such insane price flexibility or if they've adjusted their production and tightened their inventory. The nice thing about the jag was that there's no need to put in a bunch of options, it's base model has pretty much everything you need.
This sticker price is marked at like $76k but when I walked into the dealership for the first time, they offered to order one from the factory for $54k, so the markdown is impressive.
Apparently, there's been a dramatic shift in pricing between the '09 and '11 model. The XJ Supersport, which has the 510 hp engine I was looking at, is base priced at $110k. I wonder if there's still such insane price flexibility or if they've adjusted their production and tightened their inventory. The nice thing about the jag was that there's no need to put in a bunch of options, it's base model has pretty much everything you need.
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An Audi purchase could be based on the personal importance of TGR (Things Gone Right) being more important than TGW (Things Gone Wrong). These are metrics which assess how delighted one may be with a car, versus actual quality failures. If you are sufficiently delighted with a car, history shows you will be more willing to put up with its problems. For others, where the importance of avoiding TGW is more important than TGR, some in the extreme just buy Toyotas. For most of us, there is a balance we each need to find. We just should have the best info available to make that choice.
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one thing i don't like about jdpower is that their survey are pretty vague which can be skewed somewhat.
for example, one mechanical inclined and the other is not. both owns the same car. the former would most likely put off a few things that he knows how it works and how it broke or not working as it should until he can get it to a dealership. however for the not so inclined he would complaint about it until dealership fixes it. the inclined guy would probably say the car is great except few minor thing that's not that big of a deal, but the not so inclined guy he would probably say the car is a POS that has issues. AND those that are taking these surveys 90% of the time are those that are not.
for example, one mechanical inclined and the other is not. both owns the same car. the former would most likely put off a few things that he knows how it works and how it broke or not working as it should until he can get it to a dealership. however for the not so inclined he would complaint about it until dealership fixes it. the inclined guy would probably say the car is great except few minor thing that's not that big of a deal, but the not so inclined guy he would probably say the car is a POS that has issues. AND those that are taking these surveys 90% of the time are those that are not.
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For example, I can't imagine sitting in this car and not throwing up. I don't care if it's all made from white gold and baby seal hides, it's simultaneously hideous, oppressive, and boring.
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Two points:
Response bias is distributed across segments, and within segments with similar psychographic profiles, would especially be a "wash". Quota sampling ensures a proper distribution in the respondent population.
A lot of this conversation is evolving into what constitutes "crap". The answer varies widely among different groups of people. The first issue is "does it work", and the second is "do I like it" which includes all those intangibles of how does it feel? Only you can decide how to balance the importance of those two. No surprises that "do I like it", or as I wrote above, TGR, is supremely important on an enthusiast forum. As Peabody indicates, no amount of perfection would let him sit in the car he showed as an example. That might make that car subjectively "crap" to him. So, how much Audi-love is going on to offset the demonstrably higher likelihood of visiting the service department?
Response bias is distributed across segments, and within segments with similar psychographic profiles, would especially be a "wash". Quota sampling ensures a proper distribution in the respondent population.
A lot of this conversation is evolving into what constitutes "crap". The answer varies widely among different groups of people. The first issue is "does it work", and the second is "do I like it" which includes all those intangibles of how does it feel? Only you can decide how to balance the importance of those two. No surprises that "do I like it", or as I wrote above, TGR, is supremely important on an enthusiast forum. As Peabody indicates, no amount of perfection would let him sit in the car he showed as an example. That might make that car subjectively "crap" to him. So, how much Audi-love is going on to offset the demonstrably higher likelihood of visiting the service department?
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I was referring to people commenting that the domestic cars were crap specifically because theyre unreliable.
And Peabody that's not the current MKZ interior, that's an old pic. Still, I agree the car sucks.
And Peabody that's not the current MKZ interior, that's an old pic. Still, I agree the car sucks.
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I finally made the choice. I traded in my C for a 2011 Audi S4! Thanks for all the tips and comments guys I really appreciate it. I'm picking up the new car on Wednesday so I'll definitely post pics then. In the meantime, I won't be parting out of the mods EXCEPT (lol) for my MBArts Strut bar. I would prefer to sell it locally but if I have to ship so let it be. Make me an offer. PM me or reply in this thread. I will sell it cheaper to a local if I can find a buyer.
Thanks again guys!
Thanks again guys!
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Making a car is that does not break down doesn't make it not crap. It's about the feel of the car, stuff like how the doors close, where they use sound deadening material, the craftsmanship of little thing like interior buttons.
For example, I can't imagine sitting in this car and not throwing up. I don't care if it's all made from white gold and baby seal hides, it's simultaneously hideous, oppressive, and boring.
For example, I can't imagine sitting in this car and not throwing up. I don't care if it's all made from white gold and baby seal hides, it's simultaneously hideous, oppressive, and boring.
