Originally Posted by ImageX

I got a serious problem with the turn signals... the driver side completely melted away the harness on the back... and it's started from the purple turn signal wires... in fact i burned off the push knob on the harness on the back side completely.. you cant tell me theres a messed up way of putting these on it's pretty straight forward push and turn.. if there is a special way then it wasnt said in the packaging.. very PO'd about this.. this is probably going to cost me $400 to 600 in repairs for a bulb thats a little different then stock.. if i wouldve known this wouldve done that then i wouldve never bought these to begin with.. and consistent troubles with the wedge bulbs 3 replacements so far.. if it wasnt for the extras he sent then it wouldve been more.. i'm pretty upset about these problems.. and this will probably void my factory warranty when they look at it.. the whole back looks fried... i just noticed this tonite cause my indicators for the whole driver side rear came on.. like that whole side was about to catch fire.. caution when buying these... i'll post pics tomorrow when it's light outside so you can see the damage... my question is mike are you going to pay for these repairs i have to do to my car now due to these overheating led bulbs?? very upset about this.. i got a completely burnt out rear driver side on the rear... cant drive period now due to a single bulb i wanted to convert to led.. not worth it in my book.. super pissed off.. i'll retract my statement later if resolved but this is seriously bs... i've had these for about 5 months now.. you cant tell me stock bulbs do this to a wiring harness... and when stock no issues.. the passenger however i havent check but tomorrow i'm going to cause i dont want to pay for 2 harness and have to repair that whole harness... the inconsistency in these bulbs is pretty messed up.. one is good one is messed up.. the wedge at first i admit was my fault due to pushing in too much but after that i've had dim car off bulbs that wont ever go off after a day of locking the car and continuous problems.. given micheal you sent replacements without a problem but what if your product burns out my whole wiring harness.... a replacement bulb is the last thing i want.. i wanted a fail safe product not a product that would burn out my harnesses.. i need this matter resolved asap cause now i have a car with the whole drivers rear light assembly out.. and tomorrow i'll see if the passenger side has the same issues..

Originally Posted by AZN Optics

Ok, you're the first person who's ever had an issue with the turn signal LEDs, but they're just LED bulbs no different than halogen bulbs with power draw. Especially for turn signals where there isn't continuous power to there, it never heats up to the degree where anything melts. You can touch the LED as they flash with your bare hands. The way it works is power comes in through the wires, hits the LEDs, then voltage drop is recorded on the feedback to indicate if you have a bulb out or not with expected voltage drop. No extra power is generated somehow by the LED as that's physically impossible. If the LED was generating heat that caused melting, it would be the front of the bracket that would be melting as that's where the resistors that heat up are located. If you suffered from a huge voltage surge that fried something, that's something defective with your vehicle electronics and would have happened regardless of what bulbs were in there. If the errors popped up while the turn signal wasn't even being used, there shouldn't even be any power being fed to that wire which means you should be looking further upstream as your root cause.

Bottom line is the LEDs are a power consumption item and not a power generating item that would fry the harness in the rear that's not even that close the LED turn signal. They do bleed off some of the power through the resistors which do heat up as normal, but as that part is up and away on the opposite side of the bracket, the heat generated wouldn't melt something that far away and you'd see burn and scorch marks on the front of the bracket if that was the case.

Originally Posted by ImageX

I understand the point your giving but still why buy a product that might have a chance of ruining the whole harness? and your can buy any aftermarket halogen bulb within spec and no problems.. I shouldve went with the halogen white bulbs if that was the case... which tomorrow i'm yanking all these out and replacing with halogen.. the led turnsignals arent in my opinion that much different then the regular halogen and if someone in previous past wouldve had this problem then theres no way in hell i would buy em.. i'm not wanting to pay $400 to 600 just because of a simple bulb.. thats crazy.. the heat that was distributed off the led bulb was so great it that it burnt almost 1/4 to 1/2 of the harness behind it.. i cant even pull out the harness anymore it's melted onto the bulb plate.. the main thing i'm trying to point out is these bulbs arent worth the future headache.. unless he makes these consistent.. and proper r&d.. i bet the ohms for these bulbs arent even tested and all in spec... in fact I bet these arent even cree bulbs... i do alot of aquarium lighting and i build led lighting for aquariums and all i use is cree leds.. and they look nothing like these.. these look like chinese imitation cree replicas that are sold as "crees" and the problem with those are like i stated above inconsistency and the resistance on them vary drastically.. hence the some people are happy with em and some are having serious problems with em..


I really dont think micheal is going to pay for the harness but i'm pointing out to all the people out there about to buy these that your playing with fire.. if you already have turnsignal leds... you better check your harnesses before it's too late.. dont get me wrong i love the look but weighing out looks vs a $400-600 bill i think i rather just have stock or the halogen super white..

Originally Posted by AZN Optics

Now you're just saying stuff and making assumptions. The LED components used by my manufacturer are 1210 SMD CREE LED Chips. There was plenty of R&D as well as clean room and live testing performed by volunteers and myself for w204s prior to release as those who've been on this forum long enough can attest to. There's QC that goes through by my manufacturer and also by myself prior to ship, I plug it into my power supply and measure.

You purchased those turn signals back in April and it's been 6 months with no issues, but like I said, it could be any number of things that caused this and you're the first to have reported any issues. These LEDs were designed and built to spec for our vehicles.

Originally Posted by ImageX

ok if ya say so... well then i just hope MB takes this back and covers it under warranty.. but honestly i've seen the xp-e and xr-e and xp-g cree's but i've seen fake crees look exactly like this on ali baba.. and they state cree but they replica them in china.. same thing with star pcb leds.. just the inconsistency is where the failure is and some heat up more then others.. for 4 years i played with leds for aquarium fixtures.. so i'm no stranger to leds...

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/49...ee_canbus.html

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/38..._car_bulb.html

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/43...156_16SMD.html

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/33..._free_LED.html

all these are replica made leds... i know your chinese too as am i.. i know what we make over there and alot is fake or replica... any of these look familiar from above?? the wedge bulbs i can find millions of these suppliers of fake cree.. if these were true cree the cost would be definitely alot higher.. i pay per smd $3-4 at lot rate for true crees and thats buying 1000's of these.. at the price your selling em for theres no way their true cree.... any cree product is no less then $1 each.. that means that per led your putting 8+ leds on each.. thats $8 minimum per bulb and your offering $19 for both bulbs?? in otherwards their not true cree.. their fake imitation.. the $4.50 per bulb you can easily make a profit.. like i said i'm no beginner in leds.. I've been using them for aquarium applications for a long period of time..

price reference http://www.mouser.com/Cree-Inc/Optoe...8usfdZ1yzs6io/

Originally Posted by eskimomice

PM sent Mike... Tired of messing with LEDs from ebay that leak current for the interior and don't match in color... just wasted like $50.

Originally Posted by BO Knows

I suggest you place back your oem bulbs and send it in for warranty

Originally Posted by alexlev

+1

You cant place the blame on the LED bulb at this point - assuming that hundreds have been sold and you're the only one who has experienced an issue.

Originally Posted by AZN Optics

PM Received. Yeah, you won't have to worry about current leak with my interior package. They should stay off on your interior as designed. Because interior doesn't have the feedback loop so doesn't throw errors, many people try to sell cheaper non-canbus LEDs that will technically work and light up, but there are issues associated with those as they don't regulate current to the diode and all it takes is a little juice to power them up.

Originally Posted by Garry1104

I just wish that you made a red and/or amber version of the 194 T10 wedge bulb. Then I can have amber LED light for the footwell and side markers. Also red for the rear fog lights. I used the white 194 LEDs from you and it looks washed out compared to the red LED tail lamps that I got from you.

Originally Posted by snarlingchicken

Red 194's...Michael you should just test fit those into the eyebrow sockets and take a pic for kicks :P

Originally Posted by snarlingchicken

Red 194's...Michael you should just test fit those into the eyebrow sockets and take a pic for kicks :P

Originally Posted by alexlev

Red 194 eye brows & Red H7 Fog Lights.

LETS SEE IT!

Originally Posted by snarlingchicken

Red 194's...Michael you should just test fit those into the eyebrow sockets and take a pic for kicks :P

Originally Posted by eskimomice

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't some states have laws that prevent cars from having red lights on the front of their car? I know certain colors are illegal to have on the car (flashing blue/etc).

Originally Posted by eskimomice

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't some states have laws that prevent cars from having red lights on the front of their car? I know certain colors are illegal to have on the car (flashing blue/etc).

Originally Posted by alexlev

You're right. I just wanted to see what it would look like.

Not that I am encouraging him to drive the car like that.

Originally Posted by AZN Optics

I have red 194s now. amber 194s can be made, but would be a special order and take about a month to make.

Originally Posted by Garry1104

So can I send back the original white 194s and trade for the red 194s for my tail light package?