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Old 08-03-2010, 06:11 PM
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Kevin,

Here is a picture of mine, Philips Crystal Vision Ultra Driving and Fog Lights, AZN LED Eye Brows and Side Markers, Lamin-X tinted headlights, fogs and side markers.

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Kevin,

Here is a picture of mine, Philips Crystal Vision Ultra Driving and Fog Lights, AZN LED Eye Brows and Side Markers, Lamin-X tinted headlights, fogs and side markers.

Hey Juan,

Thanks! Looks like the low beams and fogs are still a bit yellow, hard to tell how much compared to stock. But, I did read that the CV Ultras are a bit more yellow than the regular CVs. Are you happy with them?

I ordered the Luminics Krypton Titanium White. I will post pics as soon as I have them installed.

Thanks again!
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Hi Larry,

They are whiter than the stock GE's that I took out of the headlights and the Sylvanias that where in the fog locations. I am happy with them.

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I just put in the crystalvisions in my fogs, and I will do the low beams later. I turned them on inside my garage during the day, so I don't know if I can really tell if there is any yellow or not. There might be just a hint of yellow. I'll have to see tonight after I put in the low beams.

jlb0125, how well do your crystalvisions match with your AZN_Optics LEDs?
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Anyone try to Crystal Vision 5000K yet...I would be afraid they would have to filter out too much output to get 5000K.
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I'm pretty sure the DiamondVisions are the ones that are rated 5000k.
CrystalVisions are either 4000K or 4300k.
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This is what I was looking at. Don't see the Diamond Visions.

http://www.lighting.philips.com/us_e...30&id=&lang=en
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That's an actual HID bulb and not a halogen bulb.
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Originally Posted by Richard2011
That's an actual HID bulb and not a halogen bulb.
Aww crap...you mean I was actually supposed to read the whole thing...
Sorry about that, I was thinking the entire page was H7 bulbs and didn't pay enough attention.
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ARGH! So I got my Luminics Krypton Series Titanium White bulbs today and gave them a try. They claim 55W with 130W output which really makes no sense since brightness should be measured in lumens, wattage really is meaningless.

So, my impressions.... A- for color, C- for brightness/driving visibility.

The bulb is bigger, packaging says 30% bigger and it claims 30% brighter. These are supposed to be 5500K color. I think the problem is filtering to get the whiter/bluer color from a halogen cuts out too much of the brightness for driving visibility.

So from a cosmetic standpoint, looking at these from outside the car, they look great, almost like xenons, but from inside the car, they aren't bright enough to the point that they may be unsafe in poorly lit areas.

Pictures attached.

My next question will be to the people with HID kits in their low beams, how did things work out putting the HIDs shining through lens designed for halogens? Is the focal point totally off? Do these blind oncoming drivers? These have no beam cutoff like stock HID, so I'd think these would also look good from a brightness standpoint but the beam could be all over the place. True?

Stock is the photo on the left, Luminics is the photo on the right.
Attached Thumbnails Sylvania H7SU vs. HID-stock.jpg   Sylvania H7SU vs. HID-luminics.jpg  

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Try getting the same bulb for the fogs as well. Turn both lows and fogs up and you'll be fine. I was in your position before so I know how exactly you feel. The colour was there but it lacks a little brightness. By switching out my fogs as well it turned out just the way I wanted.

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ARGH! So I got my Luminics Krypton Series Titanium White bulbs today and gave them a try. They claim 55W with 130W output which really makes no sense since brightness should be measured in lumens, wattage really is meaningless.

So, my impressions.... A- for color, C- for brightness/driving visibility.

The bulb is bigger, packaging says 30% bigger and it claims 30% brighter. These are supposed to be 5500K color. I think the problem is filtering to get the whiter/bluer color from a halogen cuts out too much of the brightness for driving visibility.

So from a cosmetic standpoint, looking at these from outside the car, they look great, almost like xenons, but from inside the car, they aren't bright enough to the point that they may be unsafe in poorly lit areas.

Pictures attached.

My next question will be to the people with HID kits in their low beams, how did things work out putting the HIDs shining through lens designed for halogens? Is the focal point totally off? Do these blind oncoming drivers? These have no beam cutoff like stock HID, so I'd think these would also look good from a brightness standpoint but the beam could be all over the place. True?

Stock is the photo on the left, Luminics is the photo on the right.
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Originally Posted by Royce118
Try getting the same bulb for the fogs as well. Turn both lows and fogs up and you'll be fine. I was in your position before so I know how exactly you feel. The colour was there but it lacks a little brightness. By switching out my fogs as well it turned out just the way I wanted.
Tried that. I actually don't mind having the stock halogens in the fogs because I like a more yellow look down there anyway. Problem is that most of the light is coming from the fogs, pretty much overpowering the low beams.

What exactly is the deal with the halogen projector/lens in the low beams? I'm guess that the light output from these is less because of these lens. The stock fogs without lens look much bright to me than the stock low beams through these lens. Seems like they are compounding the problem, color filter on the bulb and lens in the housing.
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Well if that is the case then I don't think there is much options left for you. I'm happy with the output from my Diamond Visions at the moment. I did order a hid kit from O-nex but I have no idea where in the world they shipped it to. Has been a month or so no. Crap customer service.

I've attached pics of how my my lights light up.
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Well if that is the case then I don't think there is much options left for you. I'm happy with the output from my Diamond Visions at the moment. I did order a hid kit from O-nex but I have no idea where in the world they shipped it to. Has been a month or so no. Crap customer service.
DV's are 5000K right? If so, I'd assume that by virtue of less blue filter like the Luminics with 5500K, the DV's should be brighter.
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Yeap DV's are 5000k. I doubt that you can get them locally though.
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Richard2011,

To answer your question, I think that the CV Ultra match ok the AZN LED's. The AZN LED's are brighter, that is for sure. I know that in the pictures above, the CV still look yellowish. In real life, they are whiter than the stock lights, as I compared them with the stock bulbs side by side in my car. If the DV's are brighter, as I am reading here, then they are probably a better match.

I hope that this helps with your decision. Either way, they are better than the stock bulbs.
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Originally Posted by lkevinl
My next question will be to the people with HID kits in their low beams, how did things work out putting the HIDs shining through lens designed for halogens? Is the focal point totally off? Do these blind oncoming drivers? These have no beam cutoff like stock HID, so I'd think these would also look good from a brightness standpoint but the beam could be all over the place. True?
My experience with them is horrible. I had 6000k 35w DDM HID kit, and there were two major light pattern issues, dark spots and a dip in the middle. The dark spots can be seen in my post here. https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...t-pattern.html The dip that I'm talking about is when driving the light would not reach down the road even when they are leveled like the should be. The sides would aim perfect, not blinding on-coming drivers, but I would not be able to see far down the road.

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Richard2011,

To answer your question, I think that the CV Ultra match ok the AZN LED's. The AZN LED's are brighter, that is for sure. I know that in the pictures above, the CV still look yellowish. In real life, they are whiter than the stock lights, as I compared them with the stock bulbs side by side in my car. If the DV's are brighter, as I am reading here, then they are probably a better match.

I hope that this helps with your decision. Either way, they are better than the stock bulbs.
Thanks for answering my question. I also installed CrystalVisions in my low beams and fogs yesterday. I think there's still a small hint of yellow in these bulbs. When you say the AZN LEDs are brighter, do you mean they are whiter? Do they have any blue in them at all? I'll probably get a few pairs since they're the best LEDs for the job.

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I guess that the correct term should have been whiter and not brighter. If you notice in my signature picture, the eye brows and side markers have the LED's installed. Side markers are clear, with the Lamin-X tint on the lens.
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lKevinl, I tried the Luminics Titanium Kryton ones too. I agree with your points, look great but I have trouble seeing at night. To top it off, one of them burned out last week, and I've had them for about a year (and don't drive much). I was disappointed and had to put the OEM halogens back in. I'm considering going for HID rather than trial and error with other white halogens.
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I would like to switch to HIDs too but then there seems to be alot of different feedback. We might not be happy about the cutoff and stuffs from the hid etc. Towards the end of the day, we should have gotten the xenon package from factory. Sigh..
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lKevinl, I tried the Luminics Titanium Kryton ones too. I agree with your points, look great but I have trouble seeing at night. To top it off, one of them burned out last week, and I've had them for about a year (and don't drive much). I was disappointed and had to put the OEM halogens back in. I'm considering going for HID rather than trial and error with other white halogens.
I'm considering going back to stock. I live the color of the Lumincs, but they are just not bright enough. Unless the HID kit was really simple, I have no reason to do much with these lights since I'm in a lease.
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Towards the end of the day, we should have gotten the xenon package from factory. Sigh..
This is true...
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Hey Juan, where did you purchase the Philips Crystal Vision Ultra fogs? I see the H7's on ebay but no H1/H3 fogs to match.

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Hi Tia,

I have the Sport model, so mine uses the H7. You may want to check www.ipmart.com, that is where I purchased the Diamond Visions. I had them in 5 days from the date of purchase.

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