supercharger or turbo ???
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Why would a professional ball player buy a C350 and then add a turbo when he can buy the C63 or another faster car? That explanation from the company makes no sense unless the ball player is in single A. I guess they do not want more business because at 3k I would definitely consider doing this.
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2012 C350 coupe
Why would a professional ball player buy a C350 and then add a turbo when he can buy the C63 or another faster car? That explanation from the company makes no sense unless the ball player is in single A. I guess they do not want more business because at 3k I would definitely consider doing this.
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C300 Sport AND 93 Mazda RX7 Single Turbo
Why would a professional ball player buy a C350 and then add a turbo when he can buy the C63 or another faster car? That explanation from the company makes no sense unless the ball player is in single A. I guess they do not want more business because at 3k I would definitely consider doing this.
Dont get confused with the 3k number. Thats just what mike was saying is how much it would start off for just getting parts for a DIY. Thats a good ballpark estimate to start if you actually were Doing It Yourself. Once you realy get into it, you can definitely expect to pay double or most likely triple that once all the labor, welding, plumbing, and tuning is all said and done.
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DIY C350 Turbo
Parts Cost
Garrett T4/60-1 Turbocharger $830
Custom turbo up pipe $500
3AN oil feed $13.00
10AN Oil Drain $18
3AN oil feed line - 28" $21
10AN oil Drain - 24" $15
10AN straight fitting $7
10AN 45 fitting $13
10AN to 1/2 NPT fitting $9.75
12x1.5mm fitting $25
2.5" I/C piping kit $93
3.25 to 2.5 coupler $26
TiAl 38mm Wastegate and BOV $434
Garrett 400hp Intercooler $470
Bosch 440cc injectors x6 $38
Down pipe flange kit $34
AEM F/IC-6 $362
Wideband O2 Gauge and Sensor $178
Complete Total $3,086
Always been on my schedule to turbo her once warranty expires.
Parts Cost
Garrett T4/60-1 Turbocharger $830
Custom turbo up pipe $500
3AN oil feed $13.00
10AN Oil Drain $18
3AN oil feed line - 28" $21
10AN oil Drain - 24" $15
10AN straight fitting $7
10AN 45 fitting $13
10AN to 1/2 NPT fitting $9.75
12x1.5mm fitting $25
2.5" I/C piping kit $93
3.25 to 2.5 coupler $26
TiAl 38mm Wastegate and BOV $434
Garrett 400hp Intercooler $470
Bosch 440cc injectors x6 $38
Down pipe flange kit $34
AEM F/IC-6 $362
Wideband O2 Gauge and Sensor $178
Complete Total $3,086
Always been on my schedule to turbo her once warranty expires.
isnt it a problem to "hack" to work with FI on those new cars?
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ECU has to be retuned to optimize the fuel for the extra oxygen available from the FI, of course. Also the timing would have to be changed.
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C300 Sport AND 93 Mazda RX7 Single Turbo
That timing would all be done by a tuner when they tune the car. Alot of factors play a roll on where your timing should be. Chances are for turbo they will end up retarding itto make it safer for mroe boost, since youre turboing a high compression motor.
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good to know
the reason im asking is cause i see those car tuners the offer tuning to too many cars and i always think like if u dont specialize in a specific car u can do it good on every car
so i always think if u wanna mod a bmw or benz u gonna have to go to someone who has enough R&D on the cars's ECU, but if its simple maybe i should check those out cause we dont have any special benz tuners where i live
the reason im asking is cause i see those car tuners the offer tuning to too many cars and i always think like if u dont specialize in a specific car u can do it good on every car
so i always think if u wanna mod a bmw or benz u gonna have to go to someone who has enough R&D on the cars's ECU, but if its simple maybe i should check those out cause we dont have any special benz tuners where i live
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2012 C250 Coupe
I just recently hacked off my mufflers and straight-piped the gap. After seeing how MUCH space is back there, I am seriously contemplating doing a turbo setup. At first I thought perhaps twin turbo, but that is nearly impossible for remote, as the amount of piping needed to be ran is silly.
However, I think that we could get away relatively cheaply with single turbo in the rear. The beauty with remote is that you probably don't need a separate intercooler. The remote location ensures that the exhaust gases are substantially cooler than they would be in the exhaust headers. Due to the catalyst and expansion box the exhaust gases are also flowing a little slower. The long pipe run back to the air intake will act as an intercooler negating the need for an additional intercooler.
The remote turbo will, however, need a very good supply of oil and would indeed need an oil pump as mike suggested. An inline oil cooler can help if temperature issues ensue (but I'm not too sure we would need that with the 8qts our engine holds).
We definitely would not need a big turbo like mike suggested, it would be more ideal and cheaper to do a small turbo setup with relatively low boost with a wastegate and diverter valve for best results.
I am seriously going to think about doing this. While I'm already at the 40k mile mark, I have about another year until my warranty is up - which is when I will commence my project. I have access to a fleet of guys who are experienced in this type of thing, so I am very hopeful.
The only problem would be a Tune. Perhaps if I get more serious I should strike up something with RPM North since they are local?
Also, most importantly, a friend of mine with a Civic turbo'd with a new "oil-less" ceramic turbo. He said it works great, needs service to be re-lubed every 50k miles, and is perfect for our application (low CFM), plus, it is ideal for a remote installation. Things just keep sounding better... Heck, perhaps since they can be mounted in any orientation, we might be able to figure out an - in engine housing design!
Now I just need to find out what 4matic can safely handle whp wise... (I'm pretty sure that the tranny can easily do 350whp)...
However, I think that we could get away relatively cheaply with single turbo in the rear. The beauty with remote is that you probably don't need a separate intercooler. The remote location ensures that the exhaust gases are substantially cooler than they would be in the exhaust headers. Due to the catalyst and expansion box the exhaust gases are also flowing a little slower. The long pipe run back to the air intake will act as an intercooler negating the need for an additional intercooler.
The remote turbo will, however, need a very good supply of oil and would indeed need an oil pump as mike suggested. An inline oil cooler can help if temperature issues ensue (but I'm not too sure we would need that with the 8qts our engine holds).
We definitely would not need a big turbo like mike suggested, it would be more ideal and cheaper to do a small turbo setup with relatively low boost with a wastegate and diverter valve for best results.
I am seriously going to think about doing this. While I'm already at the 40k mile mark, I have about another year until my warranty is up - which is when I will commence my project. I have access to a fleet of guys who are experienced in this type of thing, so I am very hopeful.
The only problem would be a Tune. Perhaps if I get more serious I should strike up something with RPM North since they are local?
Also, most importantly, a friend of mine with a Civic turbo'd with a new "oil-less" ceramic turbo. He said it works great, needs service to be re-lubed every 50k miles, and is perfect for our application (low CFM), plus, it is ideal for a remote installation. Things just keep sounding better... Heck, perhaps since they can be mounted in any orientation, we might be able to figure out an - in engine housing design!
Now I just need to find out what 4matic can safely handle whp wise... (I'm pretty sure that the tranny can easily do 350whp)...
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there is sooooo much room under there, myself and a few buddies who have a shop almost fitted my c350 with a squires rear turbo system off a 350z. Its very possible to do. youll probably spend around $5000 but it would be worth every penny in my book.
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I am seriously going to think about doing this. While I'm already at the 40k mile mark, I have about another year until my warranty is up - which is when I will commence my project. I have access to a fleet of guys who are experienced in this type of thing, so I am very hopeful.
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