Educate me on Snow tires/stagger/wheel size etc.
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stretching tires is potentially dangerous around potholes area. dont risk it. or just get same size wheels
widening is the correct method. show me a review not article based on just tire width in different condition
widening is the correct method. show me a review not article based on just tire width in different condition
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Another round of ICE
We already had this discussion about winter driving in another thread. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. This is simple physics and I already provided several expert references who understand the difference between driving on dry pavement and in snow. Everyone here can make their own decisions, as may you. I will again offer my best wishes to you for safe driving in the upcoming winter. I'm done.
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This is not a stretch, per folks who would know at 1010tires.com. That tire and wheel size are compatible, per their calculator. He is trying to accomplish his goal without spending additional funds, if not necessary.
We already had this discussion about winter driving in another thread. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. This is simple physics and I already provided several expert references who understand the difference between driving on dry pavement and in snow. Everyone here can make their own decisions, as may you. I will again offer my best wishes to you for safe driving in the upcoming winter. I'm done.
We already had this discussion about winter driving in another thread. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. This is simple physics and I already provided several expert references who understand the difference between driving on dry pavement and in snow. Everyone here can make their own decisions, as may you. I will again offer my best wishes to you for safe driving in the upcoming winter. I'm done.
why dont you run 165 width in winter and rave how well they perform.
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Popp! Those are the same tires going on my car next week, Hakkawhatever 7 *studded* in stock size 245/40-18. :-)
Something for everyone to think about is the following: One may get stuck in snow, but ice on the road can cause one to crash.
Something for everyone to think about is the following: One may get stuck in snow, but ice on the road can cause one to crash.
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you have to remember winter tires does not make ur car invincible to snow
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My present car is 4Matic and has the same size tires on all four corners (not staggered).
One reason i stuck to the same size is because that's exactly what the car's operating manual says; 17" and/or narrower are not listed as options. Another reason is i want the new rims i'll be getting to be for summer.
I had Nokian studded tires on my last car (C240 4Matic) and they worked out quite well for the icy back road I have to deal with. I was able to stop and start on an icy hill that you couldn't even stand on. And the only snow that could stop me was when it lifted the car off the ground.
I've been driving in Canada for well over 30 years, so I'm well past the point of feeling invincible. But... Studded tires on a 4Matic is absolutely fricken unbelievably amazing for straight line acceleration on greasy roads. At my age, I slow down for corners... :-)
One reason i stuck to the same size is because that's exactly what the car's operating manual says; 17" and/or narrower are not listed as options. Another reason is i want the new rims i'll be getting to be for summer.
I had Nokian studded tires on my last car (C240 4Matic) and they worked out quite well for the icy back road I have to deal with. I was able to stop and start on an icy hill that you couldn't even stand on. And the only snow that could stop me was when it lifted the car off the ground.
I've been driving in Canada for well over 30 years, so I'm well past the point of feeling invincible. But... Studded tires on a 4Matic is absolutely fricken unbelievably amazing for straight line acceleration on greasy roads. At my age, I slow down for corners... :-)
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Well, it was tongue-in-cheek, as the smiley showed, but you folks have the luxury of rarely having to deal with severe snow or realizing what an early morning commute in a foot or two of that stuff, possibly not yet plowed, feels like. His post emphasized dealing with "crazy" snow and not sacrificing any traction for the sake of upsizing his tires, which turn out to be mutually inconsistent conditions. If a tire selection was needed to cope with endless months of sunshine, you folks would be among the first I'd ask! 
No disrespect intended...mostly just envious of your "seasons"!
No disrespect intended...mostly just envious of your "seasons"!
Seasons? What seasons? We only have 2 types of weather here, hot or cold.
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Each tire has a range a wheel widths it is made to properly fit. Tirerack has those specs listed for tires and you just need to find a tire that'll fit anywhere from a 7.5 to an 8.5 inch wheel - very common.
To answer one of your other inane points in another post - yes a 165 would be a very good size for a winter tire. The narrower the better and the smallest wheel size possible to get the highest and most compliant sidewall.
OP - post people want a balance of dry road handling (most of the time) combined with snow and ice handling for those few really bad days. Many people worry about appearances too and feel that a really skinny tire looks funny these days (although I remember when a 165/65/15 was considered a huge tire.)
Accordingly, since you have your 17" wheels you'll want to use those. If your concern is winter safety over dry handling (my concern as well) then you can get the cheapest "studless snow tire" that you can find. General and Firestone make very highly rated snow tires.
If you want something weighed more in the direction of dry handling, but still have the snow handling capability of a true winter tire, then you'll want a "performance winter tire" like the Dunlop 3D.
In the meantime, you'll be able to scour the classifieds for people selling their 18 or 19" wheels (generally cheaper during the winter) and find a set you like. That way you'll be ready in March/April when it is time to pull the winter wheels off your car.
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Incorrect. A narrower is better in snow and using the same size tire on a different size rim is fine as long as you get tires made to fit the rims.
Each tire has a range a wheel widths it is made to properly fit. Tirerack has those specs listed for tires and you just need to find a tire that'll fit anywhere from a 7.5 to an 8.5 inch wheel - very common.
To answer one of your other inane points in another post - yes a 165 would be a very good size for a winter tire. The narrower the better and the smallest wheel size possible to get the highest and most compliant sidewall.
OP - post people want a balance of dry road handling (most of the time) combined with snow and ice handling for those few really bad days. Many people worry about appearances too and feel that a really skinny tire looks funny these days (although I remember when a 165/65/15 was considered a huge tire.)
Accordingly, since you have your 17" wheels you'll want to use those. If your concern is winter safety over dry handling (my concern as well) then you can get the cheapest "studless snow tire" that you can find. General and Firestone make very highly rated snow tires.
If you want something weighed more in the direction of dry handling, but still have the snow handling capability of a true winter tire, then you'll want a "performance winter tire" like the Dunlop 3D.
In the meantime, you'll be able to scour the classifieds for people selling their 18 or 19" wheels (generally cheaper during the winter) and find a set you like. That way you'll be ready in March/April when it is time to pull the winter wheels off your car.
Each tire has a range a wheel widths it is made to properly fit. Tirerack has those specs listed for tires and you just need to find a tire that'll fit anywhere from a 7.5 to an 8.5 inch wheel - very common.
To answer one of your other inane points in another post - yes a 165 would be a very good size for a winter tire. The narrower the better and the smallest wheel size possible to get the highest and most compliant sidewall.
OP - post people want a balance of dry road handling (most of the time) combined with snow and ice handling for those few really bad days. Many people worry about appearances too and feel that a really skinny tire looks funny these days (although I remember when a 165/65/15 was considered a huge tire.)
Accordingly, since you have your 17" wheels you'll want to use those. If your concern is winter safety over dry handling (my concern as well) then you can get the cheapest "studless snow tire" that you can find. General and Firestone make very highly rated snow tires.
If you want something weighed more in the direction of dry handling, but still have the snow handling capability of a true winter tire, then you'll want a "performance winter tire" like the Dunlop 3D.
In the meantime, you'll be able to scour the classifieds for people selling their 18 or 19" wheels (generally cheaper during the winter) and find a set you like. That way you'll be ready in March/April when it is time to pull the winter wheels off your car.
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size 19 winter rims and tires for E350
Hi there. I'd like to ask your opinion. I have 4 size 19" spare rims that i'd like to use this winter for my E350. The stock rims on my E350 is 18". Is it a good idea to put 19" winter tires? Thanks.
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On my C63 and my wife's C300 I 'downsized' to an 18 and 17 inch wheel/tire setup respectively.
The slight gain in sidewall height is nice, but more importantly I went with a square setup rather than a staggered setup so I could rotate the tires front to rear to even out the wear.
My personal preference (from actual winter use) for winter tires are as follows:
Nokian Hakka 7s, and 4s (but will go with the Hakka 8s)
Michelin X-ice 2 and 3
Conti
Blizzaks. (better ice grip than the Michelin or Contis, but not as good in the snow/dry/wet in my mind).
Nothing beats the Hakkas, and the price reflects that. Even the non-studded Hakkas are AMAZING!!!!!!!!!
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If you want to use the 19" wheels that you already have and don't mind spending the extra $$$ for a 19" winter tire versus a 17" or 18" wheel you will be fine as long as the offset will ensure no rubbing.
