C300 vs C400 4MATIC
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Interesting. would you have any figures Glyn?
I ordered the Acoustic Glass option, and my car will as i understand it, be one of the first to get it. So there are no live reviews yet for this option.
My car is being built today, by current plans, it should be rolling off the assembly line at 20:38 (in 4 hrs from writing this!)
I ordered the Acoustic Glass option, and my car will as i understand it, be one of the first to get it. So there are no live reviews yet for this option.
My car is being built today, by current plans, it should be rolling off the assembly line at 20:38 (in 4 hrs from writing this!)
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Cabin noise is NOT the same C300 to C400. The difference can be measured & heard. Suggest you drive both to see whether you are sensitive to the difference or not. Only you can do that.
Everybody is welcome to their opinion & preference. Saying there is no difference is however plain wrong.
Everybody is welcome to their opinion & preference. Saying there is no difference is however plain wrong.
There is a real difference in the engine sounds at idle, from outside the car, and during acceleration ... where the 4 can sound a bit raspy opposed to the much deeper sound of the V6. The 6 is a smoother and more robust engine, but interior noise is not a serious issue with either model.
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Zero difference in engine sound at cruise, it's absemt in both. The C400 on 19" and summer tires is noticeably louder. I'd say your suspension differences would be a bigger difference than engines for this car. In rapid acceleration and idle the sounds are very different, a v6 sounds more 'cool', no doubt. A v8 will be better.
I wouldn't base the difference in these two models on sound. Neither as quiet as a Buick or Lexus LS, but good for the class.
Speaking of acoustic glass, for anyone with a C class, do we get that in USA? I know there no option or mention, but the window should have code in stamp for it being laminated AG, or on top of window when roll it down a bit, would feel it have have a small a ridge on top, not rounded. ????
I wouldn't base the difference in these two models on sound. Neither as quiet as a Buick or Lexus LS, but good for the class.
Speaking of acoustic glass, for anyone with a C class, do we get that in USA? I know there no option or mention, but the window should have code in stamp for it being laminated AG, or on top of window when roll it down a bit, would feel it have have a small a ridge on top, not rounded. ????
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I was in a new 4 banger yesterday just received as a company car by a lady family member. It is pleasant & generally quiet but I'm always aware of the engine. Yes, we were climbing up & down hills as is the nature of our topography. On a short bit of freeway it was quiet but with usual Conti SC noise. The minute you make it work you hear the drone.
EDIT ~ BTW this was an Exclusive RWD with Airmatic.
EDIT ~ BTW this was an Exclusive RWD with Airmatic.
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I was in a new 4 banger yesterday just received as a company car by a lady family member. It is pleasant & generally quiet but I'm always aware of the engine. Yes, we were climbing up & down hills as is the nature of our topography. On a short bit of freeway it was quiet but with usual Conti SC noise. The minute you make it work you hear the drone.
EDIT ~ BTW this was an Exclusive RWD with Airmatic.
EDIT ~ BTW this was an Exclusive RWD with Airmatic.
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Me neither. Wonder if its a windows down thing. With the windows up the engine is almost inaudible unless you are leaning significantly on the accelerator. Also in other countries acoustic glass is an option. In the US its not even mentioned so I take it its standard.
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Speaking of acoustic glass, for anyone with a C class, do we get that in USA? I know there no option or mention, but the window should have code in stamp for it being laminated AG, or on top of window when roll it down a bit, would feel it have have a small a ridge on top, not rounded. ????
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Me neither. Wonder if its a windows down thing. With the windows up the engine is almost inaudible unless you are leaning significantly on the accelerator. Also in other countries acoustic glass is an option. In the US its not even mentioned so I take it its standard.
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That said many motoring scribes from around the world & here have made a similar observation to me. We have plenty of experience with this engine from the B Class.
Another thing I noticed yesterday was how much noisier the engine sounds externally once the Airpanel grill opens. It's DI character becomes very obvious. On Alexandra's car the left side of the panel lags the RHS on opening. Things like that drive me nuts.
I should warn you that I'm extremely anally retentive when it comes to cars & audio.
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Interesting. would you have any figures Glyn?
I ordered the Acoustic Glass option, and my car will as i understand it, be one of the first to get it. So there are no live reviews yet for this option.
My car is being built today, by current plans, it should be rolling off the assembly line at 20:38 (in 4 hrs from writing this!)
I ordered the Acoustic Glass option, and my car will as i understand it, be one of the first to get it. So there are no live reviews yet for this option.
My car is being built today, by current plans, it should be rolling off the assembly line at 20:38 (in 4 hrs from writing this!)
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That would be cool, I really don't know since no mention of it on their site. I never under-estimate MB wanitng to sake some extra coins out of us with options and MBUSA doesn't always follow logic. Hopefully someone here with the car can look at their front side windows and check.
Windshields are always laminated BTW..
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Gotta say that Chevy, Chrylser, Buick, Ford, Hyundai,Acura, many others have it as standard on several models. If purchasing it on your own from glass supplier, you're under $75 a window difference buying laminated AG vs tempered from an auto glass shop. It does make a scientific difference, especially 2,000 Hz to 6,000 ha range.
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Seems Edmunds agrees with me as one of many examples.
http://www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz...road-test.html
"Is It Worth Stepping Up to the V6?
The turbo four-cylinder blends power and fuel economy in a lightweight package, making the C300 4Matic feel like a proper small sport sedan. But the smaller engine is less charming under heavy acceleration, when quick sprints to highway speed generate a raspy racket under the hood. Although the cabin is nicely insulated from road roar, the noise of a four-cylinder under hard labor still sounds out of place in a Mercedes. It's a reality we're adjusting to as nearly all small turbo engines, luxury badge or not, share this characteristic.
But these are isolated moments. For most buyers, the C300 4Matic is the right combination of performance and efficiency, with sprints from zero to 60 mph requiring just 6.5 seconds during our testing. The V6 holds the advantage of power and refinement, at the expense of slightly more dulled handling. We also found the seven-speed transmission more prone to low-speed lurching while decelerating and braking when paired with the V6."
BTW there is a software patch coming/or available that changes the tranny behaviour under braking.
EDIT: Interestingly our local motoring press finds the 7 speed more settled behind the V6 & the ride more planted. Most of our W205's sold are RWD it should be noted.
http://www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz...road-test.html
"Is It Worth Stepping Up to the V6?
The turbo four-cylinder blends power and fuel economy in a lightweight package, making the C300 4Matic feel like a proper small sport sedan. But the smaller engine is less charming under heavy acceleration, when quick sprints to highway speed generate a raspy racket under the hood. Although the cabin is nicely insulated from road roar, the noise of a four-cylinder under hard labor still sounds out of place in a Mercedes. It's a reality we're adjusting to as nearly all small turbo engines, luxury badge or not, share this characteristic.
But these are isolated moments. For most buyers, the C300 4Matic is the right combination of performance and efficiency, with sprints from zero to 60 mph requiring just 6.5 seconds during our testing. The V6 holds the advantage of power and refinement, at the expense of slightly more dulled handling. We also found the seven-speed transmission more prone to low-speed lurching while decelerating and braking when paired with the V6."
BTW there is a software patch coming/or available that changes the tranny behaviour under braking.
EDIT: Interestingly our local motoring press finds the 7 speed more settled behind the V6 & the ride more planted. Most of our W205's sold are RWD it should be noted.
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Seems Edmunds agrees with me as one of many examples.
http://www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz...road-test.html
"Is It Worth Stepping Up to the V6?
... the smaller engine is less charming under heavy acceleration, when quick sprints to highway speed generate a raspy racket under the hood. Although the cabin is nicely insulated from road roar, the noise of a four-cylinder under hard labor still sounds out of place in a Mercedes. " [B]
http://www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz...road-test.html
"Is It Worth Stepping Up to the V6?
... the smaller engine is less charming under heavy acceleration, when quick sprints to highway speed generate a raspy racket under the hood. Although the cabin is nicely insulated from road roar, the noise of a four-cylinder under hard labor still sounds out of place in a Mercedes. " [B]
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Yes, the 4 is not nearly as smooth when pushing it hard. But it still is a quiet engine when cruising, and is not at all intrusive under normal driving conditions. I don't think anyone would claim this is a great sounding engine under full throttle runs. "Less charming" is a nice way of describing it.
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My other ride is an S2000 which has about the same HP as the c300. With the top up and the engine running at 8K it sounds like the motor is going to explode at any moment (happily it can do it all day every day, talk about technology!) by that standard the c300 under full acceleration is a symphony! Yes the 6 sounds has a more pleasant (to my ears) tenor's fortissimo but that doesn't take anything from the 4's excellent wail in sport plus at full revs. The 8's Basso profundo when flogged is also amazing!
I mean these cars are not AMGs, Ferraris, or even the Jaguar F Type R - those have tuned systems designed to actually sound great. Everything else is not really part of the equation, not really a part of the buying decision.
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The discussion of the exhaust or engine sound is pretty moot. Both C300 and C400 sound boring to bad.
I mean these cars are not AMGs, Ferraris, or even the Jaguar F Type R - those have tuned systems designed to actually sound great. Everything else is not really part of the equation, not really a part of the buying decision.
I mean these cars are not AMGs, Ferraris, or even the Jaguar F Type R - those have tuned systems designed to actually sound great. Everything else is not really part of the equation, not really a part of the buying decision.
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I do not drive my cars at constant moderate throttle all day on a highway. The closest highway to where I live is 20Km's away. I drive round mountains, up & down fairly steep hills & in the city mainly. The 4 pot protestations would bother me. I'll stick to refined V6's as long as I can afford the gas.
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Yes, the 4 is not nearly as smooth when pushing it hard. But it still is a quiet engine when cruising, and is not at all intrusive under normal driving conditions. I don't think anyone would claim this is a great sounding engine under full throttle runs. "Less charming" is a nice way of describing it.
Like my friend Mr Ruck I am very sensitive to these sorts of things and refinement is one of the primary reasons for my interest in Mercedes.
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Given all your rebuttals regarding the 4 banger sound I am tempted to give it another try. On the one test drive I made I found it off putting for a 40K+ car and the objection was not to full throttle but moderate acceleration where it sounded like many econobox fours. Certainly did not as sound as good as my nearly 20 year old 1.8T Audi engine (though that engine without balance shafts has a lot more vibration buzz). I absolutely agree that at steady state it is much quieter and smoother than my car.
Like my friend Mr Ruck I am very sensitive to these sorts of things and refinement is one of the primary reasons for my interest in Mercedes.
Like my friend Mr Ruck I am very sensitive to these sorts of things and refinement is one of the primary reasons for my interest in Mercedes.
That is, of course, just my opinion. You may not like the sound, or the performance this engine offers.
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In fact not true. Almost all manufacturers tune not only their exhaust sound but also their intake sound to a greater or lesser extent. The manufacturers you mention simply tune to sound like a race car but stay within legal boundaries at low speeds. That race car sound may impress the neighbors but gets annoying after 15 minutes of highway driving at normal highway speeds. Same reason I think all Harley riders with straight pipes should get run over by semis.
I haven't driven the C400, but the reviews I've read about the engine (possibly brief drives in other MB models) seemed split on the quality of the engine. Some say it's very smooth, some say it's surprisingly coarse and kind for unpleasant for 6-cylinder engine.
IMO, the difference btw a decently refined 4-cylinder and a kind of coarse V6 are not that substantial, esp if the 4-cyl version costs a less and gets better mileage....
My daily driving doesn't require much strong acceleration. The 4-cyl works just fine for these relatively low stress situations....
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The M276 does make some typical DI noises but it is smooth.
The M272 DOHC & it's predecessor the M112 SOHC are utterly smooth & quiet. They idle without a shake as well.
None of them protest when driven hard either & are willing to be revved.
