AMG-Sport is dead. C450 will now be AMG C43
#476
Coupe has 9g, and so will the sedan. And honestly it will have some more horses, it will have some key things badge wise like a new AMG grill, and those new AMG 43 style rims are pretty sweet. I won't rebadge my car, just not my thing because after all it's not a C43, its a C450. I'd rather take the badges off, bring the car in and get my ECU upgraded and sneak up on a few people here and there...lol
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And the C43 Coupe has 362hp the same as the C450, where did you get that "it will have some more horses"? Assuming the sedan would have the same, so no more horses at all.
In all actuality, you might not need to be as disappointed as you thought...bc 75% of the **** you said might be wrong, so it's only the badges and the 9G that are different
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Last edited by inhartwetrust; 03-28-2016 at 04:57 PM.
#477
There's been one notable problem with our tranny that's been posted here several times. It regards the tranny having a hard time finding its gear when one attempts to reaccelerate after immediately recovering from deceleration. For example, there's been numerous occasions where I slowed down because the car in front of me is attempting to make a right turn and in that same process I'm now attempting to pass him by going around him knowing that I have ample room from the approaching vehicle in the adjacent lane/opposing lane. However, the gas pedal becomes unresponsive for a split second and cars are fast approaching. That very situation scares the **** out of me and I am disappointed that I have to keep that in mind everytime I approach that same scenario. Im guessing it is the transmission thats the problem cuz it feels like the car is in neutral for a split second but a split second is all that it takes for any accident to occur.
I actually had that happen to me on the test drive pulling around a bus. It was more of a jerk, thought it might have been too much throttle in S+ since I wasn't used to it.
I took delivery of my car a few days ago. I've put 700KM on it over the weekend.
![drive](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/driving.gif)
So far, I don't hate the transmission, but having driven the ZF 8 speed extensively that Audi and BMW uses, this transmission is a bit lacking.
Shifts aren't smooth enough at part throttle but excellent when getting on it.
This is all in manual mode though... I haven't driven much in auto. If i shift when the little indicator comes on (2000rpm) at about 30% throttle it's not smooth. If I wait until closer to 2700rpm it's fine.
So far I'm enjoying the car as it is and I'm quite happy with it.
I think it comes down to
Leasing? Get this now.
Buying to keep it? Save yourself some money.
Buying with intent to sell it in a couple years? Wait for the the 43.
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2016 C450 AMG
Aren't the "AMG 43 style rims" the exact same rims as the 19" 5 spokes available on the C450? At least in all of the pics of the C43 and E43 I've seen, that's what I thought there were
If not, can you post a pic of the rims you're referencing?
And the C43 Coupe has 362hp the same as the C450, where did you get that "it will have some more horses"? Assuming the sedan would have the same, so no more horses at all.
In all actuality, you might not need to be as disappointed as you thought...bc 75% of the **** you said might be wrong, so it's only the badges and the 9G that are different![thumbs](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
![Confused](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif)
And the C43 Coupe has 362hp the same as the C450, where did you get that "it will have some more horses"? Assuming the sedan would have the same, so no more horses at all.
In all actuality, you might not need to be as disappointed as you thought...bc 75% of the **** you said might be wrong, so it's only the badges and the 9G that are different
![thumbs](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
lol, he offered me to get my car rebadged when the 43's get released which I wont be doing.
#479
From what I gathered from the GM where I got my C450, the newer C43 will indeed have the new 9g tran, some new AMG style badging on the back and on the grill like the 63's, a few new options in rims...stock rims will be the 450 rims that honestly I haven't seen in person for the exception of the cars at the auto show because all the 450's my dealer had in stock had the 5 star AMG rims which I ended up taking because of the 18in size driving over NYC potholes. The jump in horsepower will be on the E43, not the C43, which will be 396 he says.
lol, he offered me to get my car rebadged when the 43's get released which I wont be doing.
lol, he offered me to get my car rebadged when the 43's get released which I wont be doing.
#480
Coupe has 9g, and so will the sedan. And honestly it will have some more horses, it will have some key things badge wise like a new AMG grill, and those new AMG 43 style rims are pretty sweet. I won't rebadge my car, just not my thing because after all it's not a C43, its a C450. I'd rather take the badges off, bring the car in and get my ECU upgraded and sneak up on a few people here and there...lol
MmHmm. That might be even better, that is, using the traditional/original MB and AMG badging structures of the mid-2000s, where numbers represented displacement. For instance, in the 550/55 models of a decade ago, E/S/CLS550s represent 5.4 V-8s; AMGs the more powerful, supercharged versions. Nowadays the #s seem more representative of the expected power outputs of those displacements. Fine. I get it.
My plan? Go on up to RennTECH not far from me, get the ECU upgrade to 402hp/454 lb. ft., then try to sell my old-school badging proposal to them. If they buy it, they can stake out the claim for all of us C450 owners to not be a C450 RennTECH..............but a C45 RennTECH.
How unique would that badge be on the streets, ay?
Personally I like the sound of that 45 much better ; they can keep their damn 43s. Not to mention I could just take the 0 off my frickin self and make my own C45........but that might be a wee bit too ghetto. You got me there; I'd be the only hoodrat with a C45, but I digress.
So, if any of you RennTECH folks are reading this, please consider. We 450s need a home. Those punks @ MB done abandoned us, senselessly giving a 2.0TT 4-banger a higher number than the 3.0TT V-6.
I think they've been having too may joint corporate meetings with their Infiniti allies and their silly Q and QX badges. Yeah, used to have a beloved G35.......and I should get over it, right? (Shut up)
#482
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Originally Posted by aimless
I actually had that happen to me on the test drive pulling around a bus. It was more of a jerk, thought it might have been too much throttle in S+ since I wasn't used to it.
I took delivery of my car a few days ago. I've put 700KM on it over the weekend.![drive](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/driving.gif)
So far, I don't hate the transmission, but having driven the ZF 8 speed extensively that Audi and BMW uses, this transmission is a bit lacking.
Shifts aren't smooth enough at part throttle but excellent when getting on it.
This is all in manual mode though... I haven't driven much in auto. If i shift when the little indicator comes on (2000rpm) at about 30% throttle it's not smooth. If I wait until closer to 2700rpm it's fine.
So far I'm enjoying the car as it is and I'm quite happy with it.
I think it comes down to
Leasing? Get this now.
Buying to keep it? Save yourself some money.
Buying with intent to sell it in a couple years? Wait for the the 43.
I took delivery of my car a few days ago. I've put 700KM on it over the weekend.
![drive](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/driving.gif)
So far, I don't hate the transmission, but having driven the ZF 8 speed extensively that Audi and BMW uses, this transmission is a bit lacking.
Shifts aren't smooth enough at part throttle but excellent when getting on it.
This is all in manual mode though... I haven't driven much in auto. If i shift when the little indicator comes on (2000rpm) at about 30% throttle it's not smooth. If I wait until closer to 2700rpm it's fine.
So far I'm enjoying the car as it is and I'm quite happy with it.
I think it comes down to
Leasing? Get this now.
Buying to keep it? Save yourself some money.
Buying with intent to sell it in a couple years? Wait for the the 43.
#484
And if you are keeping it past warranty, DCT is a ticking time bomb. I won't want one with high mileage on it.
#485
Quote from Mercedes-Benz USA at 1:22: "It's a full-fledged AMG model."
Nah, not quite........but maybe it is to the untrained eyes and ears of beginner, novice, or intermediate MB Enthusiast. On 2nd thought, isn't that their whole objective?
But still, we must give credit for one very accurate statement, which - make no mistake about it - is a huge part of the attraction/selling point: While they did stop short (my words), AMG did do ALOT to upgrade from the 400 4matic, all of which I've noted in other posts.
But Steve Siler in this Car & Driver review puts it best (paraphrasing), in that we're getting 75-80% of full fledged AMG and that is damn good.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review
So, MB Marketing Division, why couldn't you just leave it at that instead of just BSing us to death with this 'believe me, it's really an AMG'??
No the (*$% it ain't. Using that logic an 335i M-Sport or the old 335is or an Audi S4 is nothing less than a full fledged BMW M3/4 or Audi RS5.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Not very logical, is it?
Nah, not quite........but maybe it is to the untrained eyes and ears of beginner, novice, or intermediate MB Enthusiast. On 2nd thought, isn't that their whole objective?
But still, we must give credit for one very accurate statement, which - make no mistake about it - is a huge part of the attraction/selling point: While they did stop short (my words), AMG did do ALOT to upgrade from the 400 4matic, all of which I've noted in other posts.
But Steve Siler in this Car & Driver review puts it best (paraphrasing), in that we're getting 75-80% of full fledged AMG and that is damn good.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review
So, MB Marketing Division, why couldn't you just leave it at that instead of just BSing us to death with this 'believe me, it's really an AMG'??
No the (*$% it ain't. Using that logic an 335i M-Sport or the old 335is or an Audi S4 is nothing less than a full fledged BMW M3/4 or Audi RS5.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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#486
The sales people are not too thrill with all the changes with AMG either.
Especially now they are talking about AMG only stores/dealerships.
Dealership like the extra margin of AMG models without the extra costs.
Especially now they are talking about AMG only stores/dealerships.
Dealership like the extra margin of AMG models without the extra costs.
#487
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When they say separate AMG dealers, they will still be owned by the owner of an MB dealership. For example at Mercedes of Greenwich in CT, they have a separate AMG dealership across the street. So in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter that they will have standalone show rooms.
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2016 C450
I always drive me C450 in sports+ mode. Why when I restart the engine after driving in sports+, well within 4 hours, I just get a quiet start, instead of the rumble on start up? I get the start up rumble maybe about 20% of the time.
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Mercedes-AMG
Hello Paul,
Thank you for the question. Unfortunately, we cannot assist with problems that are related to Mercedes-Benz series cars. We kindly ask you for your understanding and suggest to contact our colleagues at Mercedes-Benz directly. You can reach them at www.facebook.com/mercedes-benz.
Best regards from Affalterbach,
Your AMG Social Media Team
#489
AMG does not consider the C450 a full fledge AMG. See below a conversation I had with AMG on their Facebook page
I always drive me C450 in sports+ mode. Why when I restart the engine after driving in sports+, well within 4 hours, I just get a quiet start, instead of the rumble on start up? I get the start up rumble maybe about 20% of the time.
Today
Mercedes-AMG
10:51am
Mercedes-AMG
Hello Paul,
Thank you for the question. Unfortunately, we cannot assist with problems that are related to Mercedes-Benz series cars. We kindly ask you for your understanding and suggest to contact our colleagues at Mercedes-Benz directly. You can reach them at www.facebook.com/mercedes-benz.
Best regards from Affalterbach,
Your AMG Social Media Team
I always drive me C450 in sports+ mode. Why when I restart the engine after driving in sports+, well within 4 hours, I just get a quiet start, instead of the rumble on start up? I get the start up rumble maybe about 20% of the time.
Today
Mercedes-AMG
10:51am
Mercedes-AMG
Hello Paul,
Thank you for the question. Unfortunately, we cannot assist with problems that are related to Mercedes-Benz series cars. We kindly ask you for your understanding and suggest to contact our colleagues at Mercedes-Benz directly. You can reach them at www.facebook.com/mercedes-benz.
Best regards from Affalterbach,
Your AMG Social Media Team
Funny part is that if you visit their website, the 450 AMG is listed under vehicle lineup:
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#490
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Coupe has 9g, and so will the sedan. And honestly it will have some more horses, it will have some key things badge wise like a new AMG grill, and those new AMG 43 style rims are pretty sweet. I won't rebadge my car, just not my thing because after all it's not a C43, its a C450. I'd rather take the badges off, bring the car in and get my ECU upgraded and sneak up on a few people here and there...lol
Thank you.
#491
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The C450 will never start up in Sports+ no matter if you just drove in S+ a minute or 4hours before. Sometimes you will get a slight rumble at start up but generally, all start ups are in Comfort mode by default. If you would just press the engine one button twice and switch to S+ then turn on the car you will be greeted with a very loud and pronounced rumble and crackle with some pop 100% of the time.
I understand that SOMETIMES it may start up with a rumble by default some times but the rumble at S+ is much more pronounced than it will ever be.
I understand that SOMETIMES it may start up with a rumble by default some times but the rumble at S+ is much more pronounced than it will ever be.
#492
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The feature that MotoMan spoke about are only applicable to the prototype model or the European models. Due to our PITA highway regulations we did not retain the 4hour drive mode memory in our US models nor did we retain the true ILS lighting present in European models.
#495
I heard rumors that all Mercedes with AMG packs will bear the AMG badge.
For example, C300 with AMG package will become C30 AMG.
Similarly there will be E35 AMG, S55 AMG, etc.
It's a multiple year plan starting w/ C43. Tobias Moers believes this will reduce development cost and increase revenue.
AMG will become more or less Audi's S-line.
For example, C300 with AMG package will become C30 AMG.
Similarly there will be E35 AMG, S55 AMG, etc.
It's a multiple year plan starting w/ C43. Tobias Moers believes this will reduce development cost and increase revenue.
AMG will become more or less Audi's S-line.
Last edited by hodadrah; 04-06-2016 at 04:14 AM.
#496
I heard rumors that all Mercedes with AMG packs will bear the AMG badge.
For example, C300 with AMG package will become C30 AMG.
Similarly there will be E35 AMG, S55 AMG, etc.
It's a multiple year plan starting w/ C43. Tobias Moers believes this will reduce development cost and increase revenue.
AMG will become more or less Audi's S-line.
For example, C300 with AMG package will become C30 AMG.
Similarly there will be E35 AMG, S55 AMG, etc.
It's a multiple year plan starting w/ C43. Tobias Moers believes this will reduce development cost and increase revenue.
AMG will become more or less Audi's S-line.
#500
Mercedes of Greenwich - WORST DEALERSHIP
When they say separate AMG dealers, they will still be owned by the owner of an MB dealership. For example at Mercedes of Greenwich in CT, they have a separate AMG dealership across the street. So in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter that they will have standalone show rooms.
When I was looking around for W205, I paid $$ deposit at their dealership to take one car, but over the weekend, they sold the car to someone else - what's the point of the deposit. Also they played me like a fool when talking about lease payments. We had an agreement with a deal, but payment got hiked maybe thousands more (in total lease payment) after they submitted my lease application. They said im in tier 3. I asked to get the report because I didn't trust them, they said no reports would be provided to a customer ever.
Went to another dealership, leased my current W205, tier 1 lease rate.
Took weeks to reach their sales team to get my deposit back - they cut my phone calls off, reject my emails.