AMG-Sport is dead. C450 will now be AMG C43
06-26-2016, 09:24 AM
#1201
I created and was the admin for the first national lemon law website, www.lemonlamerica.com. That's not especially relevant other than for each state where we had a participating attorney I had to build the case submission form, the purpose of which was to screen submissions so that only legitimate cases got through. Cases that didn't qualify got directed to a "sorry" page.
I can tell you that if you are the original owner, and you've had either 3 unsuccessful repair attempts for a single issue, or a total of 30 shop days for any combination of issues, the law is triggered.
The law requires that if you prevail, your attorney's fees must be paid by the manufacturer. As a result, lemon law attorneys charge nothing if they don't prevail, so you will not owe attorney fees even if you lose.
Some states make it easier than others, but to get started I'd suggest Googling [YOUR STATE] Lemon Law, and submit the case for a free review to a lawyer in your state.
I can tell you that if you are the original owner, and you've had either 3 unsuccessful repair attempts for a single issue, or a total of 30 shop days for any combination of issues, the law is triggered.
The law requires that if you prevail, your attorney's fees must be paid by the manufacturer. As a result, lemon law attorneys charge nothing if they don't prevail, so you will not owe attorney fees even if you lose.
Some states make it easier than others, but to get started I'd suggest Googling [YOUR STATE] Lemon Law, and submit the case for a free review to a lawyer in your state.
I will see what MBUSA will offer for the trade assist. If it's so bad, I will have the attorney reevaluate the case after the engine repair.
06-26-2016, 09:33 AM
#1202
My coupe is delayed because of that . They ran out of that part. I told my SA I'd wait because the other options I don't want (not paying for that carbon silver or carbon look and the brown wood and base gloss plastic are meh)
He said it wasn't going to be a long delay. My car went from late August to early Sept production
He said it wasn't going to be a long delay. My car went from late August to early Sept production
06-26-2016, 04:31 PM
#1203
Super Member
I doubt greatly that anyones NA C43 sedan is coming from Germany directly, other than ED pickups and even then it might not be possible.
06-26-2016, 07:39 PM
#1204
Are all c43 all wheel drive?
In configurator I cam find only 4matics
I have an c300 on order but thinking about buying an c43 coupe but i only want an rear wheel drive car
In configurator I cam find only 4matics
I have an c300 on order but thinking about buying an c43 coupe but i only want an rear wheel drive car
06-26-2016, 08:18 PM
#1205
06-26-2016, 08:20 PM
#1206
MBWorld Fanatic!
Originally Posted by arnold0523
Thanks, but some attorney told me the repairs had to be considerably big, but mine weren't and it's a hard case to fight for.
I will see what MBUSA will offer for the trade assist. If it's so bad, I will have the attorney reevaluate the case after the engine repair.
I will see what MBUSA will offer for the trade assist. If it's so bad, I will have the attorney reevaluate the case after the engine repair.
06-26-2016, 09:24 PM
#1207
Super Member
To expand, it is a fixed ratio AWD, with 69% going to the rear wheels. Unless you are planning some special big build or making a drift car, I can't really think of any disadvantage to this system, and it will drive very similar to a RWD car.
any particular concerns?
any particular concerns?
06-27-2016, 10:21 AM
#1208
I am in NY state.
Here's what I found from NY DMV. I am not sure if I am reading it correctly. It looks like my car may not qualify for a lemon but I may be entitled to get a replacement car or a refund since it's out of service for longer than 30 days?
Anyway, MBUSA is doing a trade assist...
Last edited by arnold0523; 06-27-2016 at 10:33 AM.
07-06-2016, 08:00 PM
#1209
Jesus, a month ago Automann comes out with a video in a C43...then things go dead silent. I'm ready to see/listen/read about some more thoughts, particularly on the differences in the Coupe (as I feel the Sedans should be relatively similar to their C450 siblings, sans the known changes).
07-06-2016, 10:10 PM
#1210
Junior Member
C4 sedan
I checked with my dealer yesterday and my wife's C-43 sedan is on schedule for 2nd week in August. No pricing yet, but my dealer is providing same price and discount as he offered on the C450 I cancelled when I heard about the C-43. While waiting, I found a CPO 2014 CLS-63s so all is good. Renntech ECU for that bad guy next week!
07-29-2016, 08:09 AM
#1213
I went to my dealer last week to test drive a C450 and ask about the new C43. The salesman knew literally *nothing*. Not only did he tell me that the C43 didn't exist (because he didn't see it on MB's website), he kept telling me that the C450 was rear-wheel drive. I finally had to point out the 4-Matic line on the window sticker.
I don't have much experience with Mercedes--is this kind of ignorance typical among their dealers?
I don't have much experience with Mercedes--is this kind of ignorance typical among their dealers?
07-29-2016, 08:27 AM
#1214
I went to my dealer last week to test drive a C450 and ask about the new C43. The salesman knew literally *nothing*. Not only did he tell me that the C43 didn't exist (because he didn't see it on MB's website), he kept telling me that the C450 was rear-wheel drive. I finally had to point out the 4-Matic line on the window sticker.
I don't have much experience with Mercedes--is this kind of ignorance typical among their dealers?
I don't have much experience with Mercedes--is this kind of ignorance typical among their dealers?
They aren't usually enthusiasts, just scummy sales reps.
07-29-2016, 08:41 AM
#1215
I went to my dealer last week to test drive a C450 and ask about the new C43. The salesman knew literally *nothing*. Not only did he tell me that the C43 didn't exist (because he didn't see it on MB's website), he kept telling me that the C450 was rear-wheel drive. I finally had to point out the 4-Matic line on the window sticker.
I don't have much experience with Mercedes--is this kind of ignorance typical among their dealers?
I don't have much experience with Mercedes--is this kind of ignorance typical among their dealers?
Sounds like you either 1) went to a crappy dealership (do some recon online to see what dealerships have won awards/have the highest ratings), or 2) just got bad luck with a crappy SA (ask for the Sales Manager and then ask him to put his best SA in contact with you, explaining your distaste for your current SA).
07-29-2016, 09:29 AM
#1216
Senior Member
I'm with Alex. As a rule the sales people I have dealt with are not very sharp when it comes to AMG vehicles. It may be that most dealerships sell very few so customers don't ask many questions about them. On the other hand, not reading the window sticker is a whole different level.
07-29-2016, 09:44 AM
#1217
I was shopping between MB & Audi - both have dealerships (same Ownership) down the road from me...both Sales guys were VERY knowledgeable about the cars. I asked questions I already knew the answers to, to see if they knew what they are talking about.
As an aside, my MB sales guy was telling me that MB Corporate is starting to push dealerships to establish a completely separate AMG sales area.
As an aside, my MB sales guy was telling me that MB Corporate is starting to push dealerships to establish a completely separate AMG sales area.
07-29-2016, 12:23 PM
#1218
I never base my decision on SA service. I am getting a car not the service - with that being said I did have better experience With certain brands. Perhaps just ask for someone more experienced? This can be quite useful considering that the SA is probably the first person you speak to if there is any issues with the car down the road.
Don't think it's brand specific too Coz they can just change jobs.
With the C450/43 experience I have pretty updated information with my guy since day 1 and he has helped me to secure the first order in where I live so I am pretty happy.
Don't think it's brand specific too Coz they can just change jobs.
With the C450/43 experience I have pretty updated information with my guy since day 1 and he has helped me to secure the first order in where I live so I am pretty happy.
07-29-2016, 12:53 PM
#1219
Junior Member
trouble getting C450
I've contacted 3 dealers in Northern NJ and Rockland Co., NY re: getting a C450. None have any in their lots. One told me his computer showed many available at other dealers and he would get back to me. That was 2 weeks ago. Another dealer said he could get a C450 for me- MSRP was 63K. He was only willing to discount less than 6%, far less than the 10-15% I've been reading about on this site. Furthermore he offered a lease price (36 mo., 10K) of $799- I walked out. I'm still waiting to hear from the 3rd dealer. You'd think that with the C43's coming around the corned, they would be trying to unload remaining 450's. What's the story?
07-29-2016, 01:07 PM
#1220
Super Member
Originally Posted by Boucher
I went to my dealer last week to test drive a C450 and ask about the new C43. The salesman knew literally *nothing*. Not only did he tell me that the C43 didn't exist (because he didn't see it on MB's website), he kept telling me that the C450 was rear-wheel drive. I finally had to point out the 4-Matic line on the window sticker.
I don't have much experience with Mercedes--is this kind of ignorance typical among their dealers?
I don't have much experience with Mercedes--is this kind of ignorance typical among their dealers?
07-29-2016, 01:10 PM
#1221
Super Member
Originally Posted by ajb723
I've contacted 3 dealers in Northern NJ and Rockland Co., NY re: getting a C450. None have any in their lots. One told me his computer showed many available at other dealers and he would get back to me. That was 2 weeks ago. Another dealer said he could get a C450 for me- MSRP was 63K. He was only willing to discount less than 6%, far less than the 10-15% I've been reading about on this site. Furthermore he offered a lease price (36 mo., 10K) of $799- I walked out. I'm still waiting to hear from the 3rd dealer. You'd think that with the C43's coming around the corned, they would be trying to unload remaining 450's. What's the story?
07-29-2016, 01:33 PM
#1222
Easy to tell on mbusa.com if you do the "view inventory", dealers that have them on the lot it will say "available now" and available on request is some dealer. I think the total of available on request has got to be fairly low nationwide.
the dealer i'm ordering my c43 from , only has 2 c450s. and one is a red one that is loaded with almost every option (so i can assume being red, and having a lot of stuff like AMG steering wheel turns some people off) at something like $66k msrp and the other one is pretty generic. ive noticed the vast majority of in stock units dont have 19" wheels either.
07-29-2016, 03:52 PM
#1223
I've contacted 3 dealers in Northern NJ and Rockland Co., NY re: getting a C450. None have any in their lots. One told me his computer showed many available at other dealers and he would get back to me. That was 2 weeks ago. Another dealer said he could get a C450 for me- MSRP was 63K. He was only willing to discount less than 6%, far less than the 10-15% I've been reading about on this site. Furthermore he offered a lease price (36 mo., 10K) of $799- I walked out. I'm still waiting to hear from the 3rd dealer. You'd think that with the C43's coming around the corned, they would be trying to unload remaining 450's. What's the story?
07-29-2016, 05:13 PM
#1224
Senior Member
Ajb
You might want to consider expanding your search radius considerably to see if you can get a better deal. There are worse things than spending a little on transportation to a more distant dealer to save a lot. And you get a road trip in your new 450
You might want to consider expanding your search radius considerably to see if you can get a better deal. There are worse things than spending a little on transportation to a more distant dealer to save a lot. And you get a road trip in your new 450
07-29-2016, 05:59 PM
#1225
Super Member
Sometimes time is more valuable than the 4-6k additional you can save. Certainly for me, I gladly took a 5% discount (~3000) plus free all weather mats and wheel locks. Mind you, I took delivery of my C450 the first week it came off the assembly line.
