C450 Burnout?
01-26-2016, 07:25 PM
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2016 C450 AMG
C450 Burnout?
So with the C450 being a AMG 4matic system, it can send 100% of power to the rear wheels, so do you guys think it would be possible to do a burnout or at least try a launch from a complete stop?
01-26-2016, 08:05 PM
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I don't believe it can send 100% of the power to the rear wheels from the factory. If it could send 100% of the rear wheels, it wouldn't if the rear wheels or slipping. Of course, on some cars you can pull fuses or disconnect parts to make an AWD car RWD, not sure if that is what your asking.
Finally, while a non modified AWD car likely won't do a burnout (need lots and lots of power), of course you can launch from a complete stop, that's what AWD usually excels at. Just don't expect lots of rubber burning smoke while the car doesn't move.
Finally, while a non modified AWD car likely won't do a burnout (need lots and lots of power), of course you can launch from a complete stop, that's what AWD usually excels at. Just don't expect lots of rubber burning smoke while the car doesn't move.
01-26-2016, 08:52 PM
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it can when it senses for example the front wheels slipping on ice. in theory, mercedes says it could send 100% of the power to one wheel if 3 wheels were on ice and one was on dry pavement. but under normal conditions, it probably will not send 100% to the rear.
This video shows how it works:
in the video, 3 wheels are on rollers and one is on dry pavement, xdrive actually does better in this video..
This video shows how it works:
in the video, 3 wheels are on rollers and one is on dry pavement, xdrive actually does better in this video..
01-26-2016, 09:32 PM
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Mercedes advertises the c450 ratio as permanent 33/67 split. I think it is different than some of the other 4matic systems if it is similar to the amg e system.
01-26-2016, 10:18 PM
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you are correct. where as a normal mercedes 4matic sedan is typically 45/55. but both can shuffle the power around as needed. the torque split given is under normal driving conditions but can shift around depending on the situations
01-26-2016, 11:38 PM
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"“We didn’t just use Mercedes’ all-wheel-drive system. That wouldn’t work for AMG.” So said Ola a few days earlier at a sit down in our office. “Yeah,” chimed in Tobias Moers, the refreshingly blunt head of AMG Vehicle Development. “We completely reengineered 4Matic to make it work for us.” The biggest difference between regular 4Matic and the AMG version is a permanent torque split. In the Mercedes version, the standard split is 45/55 front/rear. However, if conditions change, torque can be moved to the wheels that are losing grip, from 30/70 to 70/30. Not so with the AMG version. Torque is cut 33/67 front to back, and that’s how it stays."
edit: I should add that like many recent awd systems, mercedes uses individual brakes to move power around, which is usually done instead of locking diffs, which should allow the one wheel with traction to get power regardless of the split. This works against doing a burnout by the way.
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01-26-2016, 11:59 PM
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Mercedes uses the words "fixed" and "permanent" in their releases. Based on those words, I'm thinking they are using the same system in the E63, which is fixed at 33/67 and doesn't adjust according to this quote (from Motor Trend)
"“We didn’t just use Mercedes’ all-wheel-drive system. That wouldn’t work for AMG.” So said Ola a few days earlier at a sit down in our office. “Yeah,” chimed in Tobias Moers, the refreshingly blunt head of AMG Vehicle Development. “We completely reengineered 4Matic to make it work for us.” The biggest difference between regular 4Matic and the AMG version is a permanent torque split. In the Mercedes version, the standard split is 45/55 front/rear. However, if conditions change, torque can be moved to the wheels that are losing grip, from 30/70 to 70/30. Not so with the AMG version. Torque is cut 33/67 front to back, and that’s how it stays."
edit: I should add that like many recent awd systems, mercedes uses individual brakes to move power around, which is usually done instead of locking diffs, which should allow the one wheel with traction to get power regardless of the split. This works against doing a burnout by the way.
"“We didn’t just use Mercedes’ all-wheel-drive system. That wouldn’t work for AMG.” So said Ola a few days earlier at a sit down in our office. “Yeah,” chimed in Tobias Moers, the refreshingly blunt head of AMG Vehicle Development. “We completely reengineered 4Matic to make it work for us.” The biggest difference between regular 4Matic and the AMG version is a permanent torque split. In the Mercedes version, the standard split is 45/55 front/rear. However, if conditions change, torque can be moved to the wheels that are losing grip, from 30/70 to 70/30. Not so with the AMG version. Torque is cut 33/67 front to back, and that’s how it stays."
edit: I should add that like many recent awd systems, mercedes uses individual brakes to move power around, which is usually done instead of locking diffs, which should allow the one wheel with traction to get power regardless of the split. This works against doing a burnout by the way.
