So Much For That Whole "Burmester" Myth...
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I bought the Focals two years ago. They were $749 I believe. Good news if they're now cheaper. I may do the rear doors.
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Never mind, found them. Thanks for the tip?
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Never mind, found them. Thanks for the tip?
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Originally Posted by matt11212
I have a C63S and it has the Burmester system. For my car, there are no rear deck speakers. They are only fake grills.
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Burmester should be the one who wouldn't want this as it devalues their brand to anyone who first sees/listens to them the first time in a W205. As for Mercedes, they all have fake exhaust tips now too, this is also a C Class, and I'm not surprised the speakers are not genuine Burmester either as it never sounded great to me anyway. It sounds great compared to the HK system in the W204 but that's because the HK was pretty bad...
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I think the speakers in the W205 Burmester were sourced from Harman/Kardon. Burmester's contributions likely were limited to sourcing the various components from third parties, and designing the equalization and tuning maps specific to the 205's cabin. It's not a terrible OEM system.
I do think Burmester was hamstrung by MB by the available real estate in the doors and parcel shelf that necessitated a sub/sat approach which relied too heavily on the 8" footwell drivers to play up into the lower end of the midrange frequencies where the 4" speakers picked up.
I do think Burmester was hamstrung by MB by the available real estate in the doors and parcel shelf that necessitated a sub/sat approach which relied too heavily on the 8" footwell drivers to play up into the lower end of the midrange frequencies where the 4" speakers picked up.
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Burmester should be the one who wouldn't want this as it devalues their brand to anyone who first sees/listens to them the first time in a W205. As for Mercedes, they all have fake exhaust tips now too, this is also a C Class, and I'm not surprised the speakers are not genuine Burmester either as it never sounded great to me anyway. It sounds great compared to the HK system in the W204 but that's because the HK was pretty bad...
Specially "BOSE" or should i say......BLOWSE.
i did a complete audio system when i had a maxima, pretty high end too (rainbow, ARC, Eclipse). Eclipse AVN was chosen for it's double din format + 5v preouts + navi/dvd.
when we took out all the OEM system, we found out that:
Bose only designed the soundstage, equalization of the system.
Headunit was made by Clarion (a budget brand). All speakers were GENERIC and way underpowered compared to the sub.
just installing 6.5 on the doors + tweeters made an astronomical difference. and this was before installing a sub.
However, that system came out to be about $6k with installation (including headunit).
since then, car got broken into TWICE. no more audio system upgrades in NY for me. i keep it all stock.
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So are these some crazy ohm rating speakers that can't be simply swapped out, like in my E46 M3? Or can we simply buy better speakers and plug and play. If that is the case, I don't mind having paid the premium for the Burmester, just to get the wiring and footwell subs.
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I'll test them but I'm 99% sure they're standard 4 ohm, and built to be efficient low power handlers. New aftermarket speakers alone aren't going to make a huge difference, and they're likely to be heartier and as a result want more power that may not be there in the OEM amp.
I think you'd need to address defeating the factory EQ first. Once the EQ is back to flat and you begin the process of tuning, some underperforming speakers may expose themselves. I also think you need to treat the footwell subs strictly as cabin woofers and hand off the sub duties to an outboard amp and speaker.
I think you'd need to address defeating the factory EQ first. Once the EQ is back to flat and you begin the process of tuning, some underperforming speakers may expose themselves. I also think you need to treat the footwell subs strictly as cabin woofers and hand off the sub duties to an outboard amp and speaker.
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Originally Posted by topsider
Disappointing, but it still works for me!
I get that not every owner is an audio geek and knowing what I know I'd still get the Burmester upgrade just to have a decent starting point.
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Ok well we ran into a bit of a hiccup with the Burmesters Vehicle Noise Compensation system. It can't make sense of what's actually coming out of the speakers vs what it "knows" it's putting out. It treats the difference as noise and tries to cover it up by having the subs make random farting noises. Normally I like extra random farts in my music anyway, but we'll need to go back in and disable it.
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Originally Posted by supersky3k
My C400 also have fake speaker grills at the rear as well....Do you guys see the rear speakers from opening the trunk?
1) left front door 2 way
2) left footwell sub
3) center dash
4) right footwell sub
5) right front door 2 way
6) right rear door 2 way
7) right rear shelf surround
8) left rear shelf surround
9) left rear door 2 way
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No, they're top mounted 4" and plainly visible. Every 205 Burmester should have a 9 channel surround set up;
1) left front door 2 way
2) left footwell sub
3) center dash
4) right footwell sub
5) right front door 2 way
6) right rear door 2 way
7) right rear shelf surround
8) left rear shelf surround
9) left rear door 2 way
1) left front door 2 way
2) left footwell sub
3) center dash
4) right footwell sub
5) right front door 2 way
6) right rear door 2 way
7) right rear shelf surround
8) left rear shelf surround
9) left rear door 2 way
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No, they're top mounted 4" and plainly visible. Every 205 Burmester should have a 9 channel surround set up;
1) left front door 2 way
2) left footwell sub
3) center dash
4) right footwell sub
5) right front door 2 way
6) right rear door 2 way
7) right rear shelf surround
8) left rear shelf surround
9) left rear door 2 way
1) left front door 2 way
2) left footwell sub
3) center dash
4) right footwell sub
5) right front door 2 way
6) right rear door 2 way
7) right rear shelf surround
8) left rear shelf surround
9) left rear door 2 way
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) and could hear the sound coming out of the grill
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Ok well we ran into a bit of a hiccup with the Burmesters Vehicle Noise Compensation system. It can't make sense of what's actually coming out of the speakers vs what it "knows" it's putting out. It treats the difference as noise and tries to cover it up by having the subs make random farting noises. Normally I like extra random farts in my music anyway, but we'll need to go back in and disable it.
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oh if that's what we are talking about then yes it does, but it also distorts the sound quality. I have mine turned off.
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https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...-vnc-what.html
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Originally Posted by Steve71 View Post
I think you're right Jeffy. If it was active noise cancellation, they'd be more vocal about it.
Yesterday I sent an email to the Burmester general contact address and asked what VNC is and what it does. If (when?) I get a response, I'll post it here.
I received the following response this morning:
"Thank you for your request which we would like to answer as following.
The interfere influences on your sound, so the driving noises, will be technically measured. By algorithms these influences will be compensated so that the sound can be preserved.
Please be informed that the function is a noise compensation not a noise cancellation."
My interpretation of this is that the system somehow measures "drive noises" and applies an algorithm to compensate. As he says it doesn't "cancel" noise, I suspect it increases sound levels for some set of frequencies based on what it measures.
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Originally Posted by Steve71 View Post
I think you're right Jeffy. If it was active noise cancellation, they'd be more vocal about it.
Yesterday I sent an email to the Burmester general contact address and asked what VNC is and what it does. If (when?) I get a response, I'll post it here.
I received the following response this morning:
"Thank you for your request which we would like to answer as following.
The interfere influences on your sound, so the driving noises, will be technically measured. By algorithms these influences will be compensated so that the sound can be preserved.
Please be informed that the function is a noise compensation not a noise cancellation."
My interpretation of this is that the system somehow measures "drive noises" and applies an algorithm to compensate. As he says it doesn't "cancel" noise, I suspect it increases sound levels for some set of frequencies based on what it measures.
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