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Old Jan 26, 2017 | 12:24 PM
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Wheel swap!

Hello all! After looking at the audi a4 and c class I pulled the trigger on a 15 c400. It had the options I wanted minus the 19" multispoke amg wheels. It has the 5 spoke amg wheels and I was wondering if anyone wanted to trade and or buy them. Has anyone ever done this through a stealership? I thought id ask here first before exploring other options. Thank you
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Old Jan 26, 2017 | 04:27 PM
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EBay is probably your best bet. I've seen that wheel as a rep on there quite a bit.

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Old Jan 26, 2017 | 04:33 PM
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I just bought a set off of here, but there are also sets sold on Craigslist.
I usually searched for "19" Mercedes" in their auto wheels & tires section and found a few sets in the Los Angeles area.
Like this one:
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...957001747.html
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Old Jan 28, 2017 | 12:08 AM
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I'd be willing to trade my 17''s with yours. Let me know if you would be interested. My wheels don't have any visible damage and the tires have ~7.5k miles on them. Let me know if your interested. Thanks
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Old Jan 28, 2017 | 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by alyshehata
I'd be willing to trade my 17''s with yours. Let me know if you would be interested. My wheels don't have any visible damage and the tires have ~7.5k miles on them. Let me know if your interested. Thanks
He wants to trade up, not down
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Old Jan 28, 2017 | 01:40 AM
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I just bought a set off of here, but there are also sets sold on Craigslist.
I usually searched for "19" Mercedes" in their auto wheels & tires section and found a few sets in the Los Angeles area.
Like this one:
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...957001747.html
That's a nice set. I'd pick it up if I didn't have to drive 6 hours to get them. Even come with oem TPMS.
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike5215
EBay is probably your best bet. I've seen that wheel as a rep on there quite a bit.

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Item # 232172836197

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I actually considered running these on my wife's car but decided against them due to their non-factory width's. The ones you posted are 19x8.5 +45 both front and rear, which I don't recommend if you plan to run the factory staggered tire sizes. When buying replicas, keep in mind the OEM Wheels are 19x7.5 +44 front with a 225/40-19 tire and a 19x8.5 +52 rear with a 255/35-19 tire in the rear. I've read a lot of people running spacers of 12mm fronts and 15mm rears bringing the effective offsets to 19x7.5 +32 front and 19x8.5 +37 rear (people consider this look "flush").

SDTW Direct has a similar set that is staggered, like the factory but are 1" wider both front and rear (19x8.5 +42 and 19x9.5 +45). While they'll be much more flush with the fenders (possibly even stick out past the fenders, since the offset/wheel width combo is MORE aggressive than the OEM + spacer look), the OEM tire sizes will run stretched on these wheels leaving the lip of the wheel unprotected and easier to be curbed.

Because of the wheel widths, tire stretch, and aggressive look I decided against doing the replicas on my wife's car and opted to find a set of used OEM wheels on Craigslist. If the car was mine to drive, I probably would run them because I'd have mine lowered and more aggressive tires.
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 12:18 PM
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If you plan on running staggered you'd want to find a set of staggered reps. I'm guessing 8.5/9.5 would be common. Correct that the OEM tires would have 1/2" of stretch on each side.

I think at 45mm all around you'd be 1mm suck on the fronts and 11mm poke on the rear. I'm running a set of 18" staggered reps 8.5/9.5 at +45 and the backs look good without getting overly aggressive. (I believe on the C300 the OEM rear offset is 56)

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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike5215
I think at 45mm all around you'd be 1mm suck on the fronts and 11mm poke on the rear. I'm running a set of 18" staggered reps 8.5/9.5 at +45 and the backs look good without getting overly aggressive. (I believe on the C300 the OEM rear offset is 56)
No, that's not correct because you have to the additional wheel width into account.
With a 45mm offset on a 8.5" wheel, the front will poke an extra 12mm. The rears will poke an extra 20mm from the OEM offsets/widths.
The reasoning is when you calculate wheel position you need to account for the additional wheel width and it adds roughly 12.5 mm to each side of the rim centerline (12.5 mm closer to the fender and 12.5mm closer to the inside of the body).

Use this calculator to help you:
http://www.1010tires.com/Tools/Wheel-Offset-Calculator

The rear offset of the C300, OEM 19" AMG wheel (part number: 20540114007X21) is +52, as I already stated.

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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 01:00 PM
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It sort of goes without saying that a 1" wider wheel will add a half inch on either side. It doesn't change the offset, but you're correct that you need to take the extra width into account when clearance might be an issue. Running the 45s on 8.5/9.5 isn't close, but a lower offset (like a 35) might be enough to where a little extra width could be a problem.

Anyway, you can safely run 45mm staggered reps at 8.5/9.5, but to avoid a stretch (and the lack of curb protection) you'd want to increase the tread section width by an inch all around.

Whether the OEM rears are 52 vs 56 we're talking a tiny fraction of an inch. 1010 Calculator is handy if you're not comfortable doing the math yourself. I use it to test width/sidewall ratios when I'm trying to find the rolling diameter difference for running staggered on a 4Matic.

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Well on the staggered 18" rears we're both wrong. OEM is 49mm. Maybe 19's are different.
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike5215
It sort of goes without saying that a 1" wider wheel will add a half inch on either side. It doesn't change the offset, but you're correct that you need to take the extra width into account when clearance might be an issue. Running the 45s on 8.5/9.5 isn't close, but a lower offset (like a 35) might be enough to where a little extra width could be a problem.

Anyway, you can safely run 45mm staggered reps at 8.5/9.5, but to avoid a stretch (and the lack of curb protection) you'd want to increase the tread section width by an inch all around.

Whether the OEM rears are 52 vs 56 we're talking a tiny fraction of an inch. 1010 Calculator is handy if you're not comfortable doing the math yourself. I use it to test width/sidewall ratios when I'm trying to find the rolling diameter difference for running staggered on a 4Matic.

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Well on the staggered 18" rears we're both wrong. OEM is 49mm. Maybe 19's are different.
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I guess we're sort of saying the same thing but may be confusing definitions.
Offset is a defined wheel measurement. Its the mounting surface relative to the centerline of the wheel.

However, your definition of "poke" and "suck" in terms of wheel fitment is what confused me. I interpreted those definitions as the relative wheel position to the fender (how flush the wheel sits to the fender).

When measuring how flush a wheel will sit to the fender, you need to take into account both the offset and the wheel width. So while a stock 19x7.5 +44 may be sucked into the body a bit, a 19x8.5 +44, for example, will sit ~13mm closer to the fender. The 19x8.5 wheel position relative to the fender will be similar to taking a stock 19x7.5 +44 wheel and adding a 13mm spacer to it. Doing that will have the outer position the same but the 19x7.5" will have ~13mm more clearance relative to the suspension components.
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 08:34 PM
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Yeah, I've yet to find the right way to describe how offset works in a way that anybody who doesn't already know what offset is understands me. You and Vic and a handful of guys on here know how the offset, rim width, tread block width/sidewall ratio numbers work together and what they mean when they're sizing wheels and checking clearances.

But I think you're right...suck/poke refers to the entire wheel assembly, tire and all.
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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 05:56 PM
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I'm also looking for an OEM set of the 19" rims for my C300!
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