mainly

sorry, did 2 or 3 searches, but, i dont have the patience to wade through search results trying to find out if this has been dicsussed.


ive heard its not very noticable, and also that its definetely there; the turbo lag.

i mean, when you put your foot down, is the engine like, "oh, you wanna go faster? ok, just a second... ok, there you go."

Ali_E55

no its not.

the is no turbo lag or anything of that.

even i installed a downpipe with no cats and didn't tune for it and there is no lag.

elijah

Thinking abt ditching the M5 for a CLS63??

mainly

YEP.

SHAIKH

Thats What I DID....and I'm not regretting it

Vic55

Minimal Turbo Lag- very comparable to my GTR... Quick spools at a dig and on demand in turns; quite an impressive piece of machinery and I have had a lot of turbo cars:

2 Supra Turbos
Audi S4
CL65
996TT
997.1TT
997.2 TT
GTR


Is it as responsive as my W212 n/a E63- no but its close and its more powerful and efficient. And it keeps pulling and pulling well over 150mph. I really like its dig pulls too with rear wheel drive. Green light and bam you are on your way. Its probably not a fair comparo to the PDK TT and the GTR both of which have awd and launch like lightning. This makes the CLS to me that much more spectacular.

mainly

so its not as responsive as the e63 n/a.

so would you say its worth the extra 20-30 grand.?

i cant get a brand new 2011 e63 (8 miles on it) w/amg package and premium package for 99,000 asking. msrp was over 122 (here in canada.)

this is my big dilemma

Vic55

From a dig to about 20mph the NA car is impressive but mine is slightly modded with exhaust and ecu. But after that its lights out with the TT. The price of admission, if money is not an issue, is worth getting the TT. And remember a simple tune and the car is miles ahead.

The turbo lag (lack of it) is really not an issue.

vdubpower

i hope all the 2011 E63s get sold out quick, so im left with buying a new TT

every dealer i goto, there seems like they have new 2011's popping up, i dont know where they come from, I was at MB laguna, and 3 more showed up ,

still a nice deal

justthebest

If your dilemma is between the old 6.2 & the new 5.5 biturbo, then I'd have to point out that the technology in the new engine was a big factor in selling me. The Eco stop / start function is great when I feel like using it, and the turbo lag is almost nonexistent.

Check out the video about the new engine:

http://youtu.be/I_mZkMf4YGs

mainly

almost placed an order for the cls 63 today, but they werent willing to give me what i wanted for my m5...

oh well...

Vic55

Used car trade in's always change the negotiations... what did they offer and what did you want? Whats your specs on the car? (dont care about mods as no dealer will bump you for them)

mainly

actually thats the thing, they were asking me every single mod i had and what it cost and how much horsepower it gave ...

the main 2 mods i has were bbs ch-r wheels and rpi exhaust which i removed both and sold them before attempting to trade cause i knew id lose basically everything

i put on a few cosmetic mods:
blacked out kidney grilles,
blacked out side markers,
blacked out side gills,
new drivers seat/leather - $2000

DINAN stage 1 software
DINAN pulley
Eibach springs,10 mm H&R spacers all around
powdercoated black calipers /new seals - $2800

i was offered 51 at one merc dealership.

said it wasnt good enough so i went to merc dealership # 2, and asked them if theyd be interested in beating it, if so id order a 2012 CLS63 on the spot.

i said i wanted them to beat it by $2000.

i know doesnt sound like much but, i know the car can get more.

its a 2008, VERY clean, black M5, 1.5 years remaining on the CPO warranty. and only 31,000 miles.


im in canada, so prices here are a fair bit higher.

mainly

merc dealership #1 called back and agreed to give me my asking price for my M5. plus gst credit.

i go in on monday to place the order and sign.

any incentives i should ask about?

anything else i should ask for ?

Vic55

You are in Canada so things differ but I dont think there are any incentives on the CLS63... You might have access to the Conquest Program; this is where MBCC will give you 2k if you provide ownership proof of a certain marquis. Stateside this was still in effect thru 2011- not sure about 2012. My proof was the Porsche.

vdubpower

does the costco discount work well, i just got their car, havent looked into what dealer they use

kip

Mainly, could you please clarify the turbo lag issues you had with the cls and compare it to the F10 M5, which I have had seat time in. The new 580 bhp Shooting brake is tempting, but lag is not nice and would be a downgrade from the PTT powerkit.

mainly

yes, well in my opening post i pretty much had it dead on. there is lag. i would describe it as a delay in the action of putting your foot down, to the power being delivered. its especially noticeable when you floor it, from what ever speed. some people dont notice it, or just dont care abotu it, but for me, it creates a feeling of "numbness". you dont feel as connected to the car.

now, the f10 still has a hint of it. but it seems like its not as much. barely there, but still noticeable. maybe that has something to do with the smaller engine, and twin scroll turbos... ?

i know one thing, what EVER car you get that has turbos, there is going to be lag. there wont be that URGENCY that you get from a N/A car.

in hindsight i probably would have considered a panamera gts(no turbos) a jag XK- rs (no lag) ... but a can say almost for certain that my next car wont be turbocharged.

kip

Thanks for the reply, but you should test drive a Panamera turbo S or car with the powerkit, trust me they have done a really good job in elimintaing lag. Just getting an itch for the new awd CLS 63 AMG S Shooting Brake...

vdubpower

the turbo s has a power kit, whats that entail

i dont noticed any lag but i guess its subjective. it might be less in the f10 also due to the dct maybe

kip

The powerkit/S has titanium-aluminum turbos that spool up 50% faster than regular Panamera turbos. This is the most lag free turbo car I have driven.

mainly

cls shooting brake... blaaaghh!!

kip

After the Panamera I think I need a sleeper... If the M5 had awd, it would be a different story.

This video makes a good impression. BTW he suggests there is no lag, but the gearbox is slow ?! With 580 bhp I think it wont be boring.


ANd I cant help that I like the way it looks, especially live, its actually lower than the Panamera.

Zod

Your a flip flopper arn't you

One day cls63 is da sht, next it crap and M5 is da ****. Now the M5 is not as high and mighty as you had hoped and it's a pana GTS...ow but wait AWD 63 biturbo S

but it is your opinion and your cash to choose on which car to get, so wish you the best which ever way you go

don't mind me

Higgs Boson

it's isn't turbo lag you are feeling, it is torque management. a tune can remove or revise the TM and goes a long way to throttle response and making the car wake up. all modern cars, even Chevys are subject to the same thing.