OK so im real bored with my CLS500 I need to liven it up a bit...what are my options.....

HPS- Supercharger Kit +135HP (4 yr 50k warranty...in SoCal)

Kleemann-Supercharger (+200HP alone), ECU, Headers + 212-2120HP (pricey but HP gains are amazing) (1yr Unlimited Miles...located in CO im in SoCal)

Other options.....please help me out here....would like to keep the price below 17k..I know shouldve waited for the 55 but whats done is done.....

 

Kleemann.

 

Kleeman since they know MB vehicles so well.

 

Trade in your CLS 500 for the real deal: CLS 55.

 

wish I could.....these things are super rare in SoCal and at insane markups....sold my 996TT purchased this as replacement until my 997TT gets here

 

You would be better off buying a cls 55. How much was your cls 500? The money you spend on the supercharger($15k???) will not be recoverable when you sell the car, especially if you only plan on keeping it for just a year. You can find cls 55's available for a slight premium, just go out of state. You will then have a car that will holds it value and you will have your power fix too.

 

well before u sell the car u can part it out and recover some of the costs

 

You get 485-500 HP with Kleemann S/C package, ECU will be tuned for S/C anyways...depends on exhausts, that what I've been told, when I wanted to this upgrade for my S...Did not do it, just bought M5 instead...

I think buying trading in for CLS55 is better option, all depends on the price defference...

 

I don't know where you got your HP #'s for Kleeman SC but dream on....No way your going to get 200HP out of your 5.0 liter motor you can get a max of 145-155. Now if you had the 5.4 liter motor then you'd gain approx..175 Kleemann's very liberal w/hp qoutes, A general rule of thumb to follow is --You'll gain approximately 50% of your existing motors HP & TO when SC'ing it... Thus, 300hp motor you'll gain approx. 150 ponies w/SC...You'd have to run 10 psi of boost to achieve 200hp out of a 5.0 motor. Kleemann, and HPS, are both running 7psi w/similar intercooler and intake manifold mounted blower set up, So HPS, & Kleemann should be damn close in HP, TO, ratings

 

HP figures given to me by Cory of Kleemann....

 

Is the 7 speed tranny taken into consideration with installation?(reprogramming) Imho it would need some type of reprogramming to make more efficient use(if you could call it that. LOL) of the "new" engine. I take it MB AMG found it better to go with the 5speed on the 55.

 

Im pretty sure the Tranny will be reprog/upgraded to accomodate the S/C....

 

Here let me show you how Cory is full of BS----Your saying Cory's qouting a CLS500 will gain 200hp at the fly wheel/crank that means w/Kleemann SC only, and no other mods will put your CLS500 @ 500hp....Click on this link
https://mbworld.org/forums/s-class-w220/109059-topline-s50k.html It's thread on Topline's S50K....Basically a Kleemann SC, + they've upped the boost from Kleemanns stock 7 psi to 9psi very dangerous for our 500 motors, + installed Carbon Fiber intake w/high flow filters, ECU chip tuning, Wald cat-back exhaust system, All this and there barely fetching 500hp at the crank/flywheel in that thread they list the Dyno Chart w/out corrected #'s So....Using .20% correcting factor for crank #'s you'll get 500 hp at the crank w/all those extra mods to get it there, so why don't you ask Cory what's up? If Cory was right Toplines S500 flywheel hp should be way over 500hp?????I'm not posting this to be antagonistic. I believe factual evidence and this is what a top tuner can get out of a Kleemann SC installed on a 500 motor W/bounty of other mods......

 

W/other mods listed you could expect 20 or more hp w/chip tuning/ another 30 hp by upping the boost to 9psi/ carbon fiber intake w/filters 10-15 hp/ Wald cat-back another 10 or so hp/ ...So lets add that up shall we...that = a Conservative 75hp in extra mods, leaving the Kleemann SC w/gain of 125 hp,
I would also think the Kleemann SC should put out a bit more hp maybe as much as 150hp but do the math this is from a top tuner w/perfect running car and it looks like there only getting about 125hp at the crank w/Kleemann SC??Why don't you get there SC and submit dyno to clarify this if you still feel so confident after reading this....

 

point taken.....Ive been looking at other Tuners and the consensus looks to be HP gains via S/C is max gain of 135....I think im going to go with the HPS option....Custom ECU upgrade....Cargraphic headers....rmv resonators add X-pipe...increase exh. pipe to 3"...any other reccomendations? intakes etc....

By the way im not here to argue I just wanted some advice....I come from a "Turbo" world and am not familiar with S/C. Therefore I turned to the forum for advice.

 

Hey I'm not trying to argue either, I hope I didn't come off that way? Some times I come off a little strong, something I have to work on I'll be gettin my HPS :v installed next month I, just like you want the most bang for my buck, I'll be getting headers also, as well as the carbon fiber intake from Topline, also I'll be looking into cooling upgrades offered by Renntech...I've allready had the exhaust done...I don't think we can get additional ecu work while running HPS though
And as far as intakes go I would go either w/Evosport they offer a SL55 splitter intake(don't know $). Toplines Carbon fiber intake ($1,700.00)ouch but as you know tuning these cars is gonna hurt your wallet but I can't leave any car I own alone I've allways been biten by the modding bug.....

 

No problem.....im sure if we find an ECU wiz out there they can work some kind of magic w/o increasing the redline....specially if we can get intake and cooling work done.....what mods did you do to the exh.? what headers are you planing on?

Mono

 

I bought the S55AMG quad tipp cat back exhaust from my dealership, I love it!! sounds awesome As far as headers, I have fewer options than you, I think your car shares the same platform as the current w211 class and there's quite a few reasonable choices out there for you, but my w220 there's only Kleemann $4,000.00 w/out install, So I'm currently talking to a local hottrod shop about fabricating some 1 off headers for a much more reasonable price, will see though

 

420rwhp is very impressive. I'd say the SC alone is worth 90% of that power gain.

 

I suggest brabus 5.8 litre or brabus 6.1 litre, after market superchargers are not very reliable. I driven the renntech c55 supercharged the car stalls and suck! its quick but i dont recommend it.

Brabus is the best tuner in the world even though they are expensive as hell.

 

Are you kidding me?
Superchargers are a very reliable and easy way of making a tremendous amount of power.

As for Brabus being the best, that's subjective.

BTW: Why can you blame the supercharger on the car stalling?

 

You have NO idea what you are talking about. SC's are one of the MOST RELIABLE ways to increase power without ill effects.

I have owend several supercharged vehicles and none stalled or gave me any problems.
NEWS FLASH.. all the AMG cars (except the 65 series) are supercharged, do you ever hear any complaints??

 

Who's supercharged c55? Is it bennyz's?

 

FYI - My C55 baselined stock 319 hp and with s/c, headers, ecu and exhaust it put out 531 hp and 537 ft. lbs of torque. Let's also keep in mind that this was dynoed in Colorado at 6,200 ft. At sea level, my setup would probably yield around 560-570 hp. If anything, Kleemann is on the conversative side.

 

............this is about the correct number for a NA AMG V8 with the full Kleemann set up. My W210 E55 puts out 420RWHP and 434RWtorque. Mine is minus the Kleemann exhaust. Instead I used high flow CATS. This translates to 525 crank HP and 542crank torque. Exhausts as you know, do not increase HP. These are the same as your numbers. Dyno was done in Georgia. These are great numbers. Remember though that the s/c alone was supposed to give you 560HP. And with headers, camshafts and exhausts, you could push to 600HP. This is simply not the case regardless of location altitude etc. At least, not since late 2002. Looks like if one wants a 600HP mercedes, then they should get CL65.

Ted