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Supercharger Kit....
OK so im real bored with my CLS500 I need to liven it up a bit...what are my options.....
HPS- Supercharger Kit +135HP (4 yr 50k warranty...in SoCal)
Kleemann-Supercharger (+200HP alone), ECU, Headers + 212-2120HP (pricey but HP gains are amazing) (1yr Unlimited Miles...located in CO im in SoCal)
Other options.....please help me out here....would like to keep the price below 17k..I know shouldve waited for the 55 but whats done is done.....
HPS- Supercharger Kit +135HP (4 yr 50k warranty...in SoCal)
Kleemann-Supercharger (+200HP alone), ECU, Headers + 212-2120HP (pricey but HP gains are amazing) (1yr Unlimited Miles...located in CO im in SoCal)
Other options.....please help me out here....would like to keep the price below 17k..I know shouldve waited for the 55 but whats done is done.....
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You would be better off buying a cls 55. How much was your cls 500? The money you spend on the supercharger($15k???) will not be recoverable when you sell the car, especially if you only plan on keeping it for just a year. You can find cls 55's available for a slight premium, just go out of state. You will then have a car that will holds it value and you will have your power fix too.
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You get 485-500 HP with Kleemann S/C package, ECU will be tuned for S/C anyways...depends on exhausts, that what I've been told, when I wanted to this upgrade for my S...Did not do it, just bought M5 instead...
I think buying trading in for CLS55 is better option, all depends on the price defference...
I think buying trading in for CLS55 is better option, all depends on the price defference...
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Originally Posted by mono2100
OK so im real bored with my CLS500 I need to liven it up a bit...what are my options.....
HPS- Supercharger Kit +135HP (4 yr 50k warranty...in SoCal)
Kleemann-Supercharger (+200HP alone), ECU, Headers + 212-2120HP (pricey but HP gains are amazing) (1yr Unlimited Miles...located in CO im in SoCal)
Other options.....please help me out here....would like to keep the price below 17k..I know shouldve waited for the 55 but whats done is done.....
HPS- Supercharger Kit +135HP (4 yr 50k warranty...in SoCal)
Kleemann-Supercharger (+200HP alone), ECU, Headers + 212-2120HP (pricey but HP gains are amazing) (1yr Unlimited Miles...located in CO im in SoCal)
Other options.....please help me out here....would like to keep the price below 17k..I know shouldve waited for the 55 but whats done is done.....
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Is the 7 speed tranny taken into consideration with installation?(reprogramming) Imho it would need some type of reprogramming to make more efficient use(if you could call it that. LOL) of the "new" engine. I take it MB AMG found it better to go with the 5speed on the 55. 
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Originally Posted by mono2100
HP figures given to me by Cory of Kleemann....
that means w/Kleemann SC only, and no other mods will put your CLS500 @ 500hp....Click on this linkhttps://mbworld.org/forums/s-class-w220/109059-topline-s50k.html It's thread on Topline's S50K....Basically a Kleemann SC, + they've upped the boost from Kleemanns stock 7 psi to 9psi very dangerous for our 500 motors, + installed Carbon Fiber intake w/high flow filters, ECU chip tuning, Wald cat-back exhaust system, All this and there barely fetching 500hp at the crank/flywheel in that thread they list the Dyno Chart w/out corrected #'s So....Using .20% correcting factor for crank #'s you'll get 500 hp at the crank w/all those extra mods to get it there, so why don't you ask Cory what's up? If Cory was right Toplines S500 flywheel hp should be way over 500hp?????I'm not posting this to be antagonistic. I believe factual evidence and this is what a top tuner can get out of a Kleemann SC installed on a 500 motor W/bounty of other mods......
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Originally Posted by thericker55
Here let me show you how Cory is full of BS----Your saying Cory's qouting a CLS500 will gain 200hp at the fly wheel/crank that means w/Kleemann SC only, and no other mods will put your CLS500 @ 500hp....Click on this link
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109059 It's thread on Topline's S50K....Basically a Kleemann SC, + they've upped the boost from Kleemanns stock 7 psi to 9psi very dangerous for our 500 motors, + installed Carbon Fiber intake w/high flow filters, ECU chip tuning, Wald cat-back exhaust system, All this and there barely fetching 500hp at the crank/flywheel in that thread they list the Dyno Chart w/out corrected #'s So....Using .20% correcting factor for crank #'s you'll get 500 hp at the crank w/all those extra mods to get it there, so why don't you ask Cory what's up? If Cory was right Toplines S500 flywheel hp should be way over 500hp?????I'm not posting this to be antagonistic. I believe factual evidence and this is what a top tuner can get out of a Kleemann SC installed on a 500 motor W/bounty of other mods......
that means w/Kleemann SC only, and no other mods will put your CLS500 @ 500hp....Click on this linkhttps://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109059 It's thread on Topline's S50K....Basically a Kleemann SC, + they've upped the boost from Kleemanns stock 7 psi to 9psi very dangerous for our 500 motors, + installed Carbon Fiber intake w/high flow filters, ECU chip tuning, Wald cat-back exhaust system, All this and there barely fetching 500hp at the crank/flywheel in that thread they list the Dyno Chart w/out corrected #'s So....Using .20% correcting factor for crank #'s you'll get 500 hp at the crank w/all those extra mods to get it there, so why don't you ask Cory what's up? If Cory was right Toplines S500 flywheel hp should be way over 500hp?????I'm not posting this to be antagonistic. I believe factual evidence and this is what a top tuner can get out of a Kleemann SC installed on a 500 motor W/bounty of other mods......
I would also think the Kleemann SC should put out a bit more hp maybe as much as 150hp but do the math this is from a top tuner w/perfect running car and it looks like there only getting about 125hp at the crank w/Kleemann SC??Why don't you get there SC and submit dyno to clarify this if you still feel so confident after reading this....
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point taken.....Ive been looking at other Tuners and the consensus looks to be HP gains via S/C is max gain of 135....I think im going to go with the HPS option....Custom ECU upgrade....Cargraphic headers....rmv resonators add X-pipe...increase exh. pipe to 3"...any other reccomendations? intakes etc....
By the way im not here to argue I just wanted some advice....I come from a "Turbo" world and am not familiar with S/C. Therefore I turned to the forum for advice.
By the way im not here to argue I just wanted some advice....I come from a "Turbo" world and am not familiar with S/C. Therefore I turned to the forum for advice.
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Originally Posted by mono2100
point taken.....Ive been looking at other Tuners and the consensus looks to be HP gains via S/C is max gain of 135....I think im going to go with the HPS option....Custom ECU upgrade....Cargraphic headers....rmv resonators add X-pipe...increase exh. pipe to 3"...any other reccomendations? intakes etc....
By the way im not here to argue I just wanted some advice....I come from a "Turbo" world and am not familiar with S/C. Therefore I turned to the forum for advice.
By the way im not here to argue I just wanted some advice....I come from a "Turbo" world and am not familiar with S/C. Therefore I turned to the forum for advice.
I'll be gettin my HPS :v installed next month 
I, just like you want the most bang for my buck, I'll be getting headers also, as well as the carbon fiber intake from Topline, also I'll be looking into cooling upgrades offered by Renntech...I've allready had the exhaust done...I don't think we can get additional ecu work while running HPS though 
And as far as intakes go I would go either w/Evosport they offer a SL55 splitter intake(don't know $). Toplines Carbon fiber intake ($1,700.00)ouch but as you know tuning these cars is gonna hurt your wallet
but I can't leave any car I own alone I've allways been biten by the modding bug.....
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Originally Posted by thericker55
Hey I'm not trying to argue either, I hope I didn't come off that way? Some times I come off a little strong, something I have to work on I'll be gettin my HPS :v installed next month I, just like you want the most bang for my buck, I'll be getting headers also, as well as the carbon fiber intake from Topline, also I'll be looking into cooling upgrades offered by Renntech...I've allready had the exhaust done...I don't think we can get additional ecu work while running HPS though
I'll be gettin my HPS :v installed next month I, just like you want the most bang for my buck, I'll be getting headers also, as well as the carbon fiber intake from Topline, also I'll be looking into cooling upgrades offered by Renntech...I've allready had the exhaust done...I don't think we can get additional ecu work while running HPS though Mono
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Originally Posted by mono2100
No problem.....im sure if we find an ECU wiz out there they can work some kind of magic w/o increasing the redline....specially if we can get intake and cooling work done.....what mods did you do to the exh.? what headers are you planing on?
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As far as headers, I have fewer options than you, I think your car shares the same platform as the current w211 class and there's quite a few reasonable choices out there for you, but my w220 there's only Kleemann $4,000.00 w/out install, So I'm currently talking to a local hottrod shop about fabricating some 1 off headers for a much more reasonable price, will see though
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Originally Posted by thericker55
Here let me show you how Cory is full of BS----Your saying Cory's qouting a CLS500 will gain 200hp at the fly wheel/crank that means w/Kleemann SC only, and no other mods will put your CLS500 @ 500hp....Click on this link
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109059 It's thread on Topline's S50K....Basically a Kleemann SC, + they've upped the boost from Kleemanns stock 7 psi to 9psi very dangerous for our 500 motors, + installed Carbon Fiber intake w/high flow filters, ECU chip tuning, Wald cat-back exhaust system, All this and there barely fetching 500hp at the crank/flywheel in that thread they list the Dyno Chart w/out corrected #'s So....Using .20% correcting factor for crank #'s you'll get 500 hp at the crank w/all those extra mods to get it there, so why don't you ask Cory what's up? If Cory was right Toplines S500 flywheel hp should be way over 500hp?????I'm not posting this to be antagonistic. I believe factual evidence and this is what a top tuner can get out of a Kleemann SC installed on a 500 motor W/bounty of other mods......
that means w/Kleemann SC only, and no other mods will put your CLS500 @ 500hp....Click on this linkhttps://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109059 It's thread on Topline's S50K....Basically a Kleemann SC, + they've upped the boost from Kleemanns stock 7 psi to 9psi very dangerous for our 500 motors, + installed Carbon Fiber intake w/high flow filters, ECU chip tuning, Wald cat-back exhaust system, All this and there barely fetching 500hp at the crank/flywheel in that thread they list the Dyno Chart w/out corrected #'s So....Using .20% correcting factor for crank #'s you'll get 500 hp at the crank w/all those extra mods to get it there, so why don't you ask Cory what's up? If Cory was right Toplines S500 flywheel hp should be way over 500hp?????I'm not posting this to be antagonistic. I believe factual evidence and this is what a top tuner can get out of a Kleemann SC installed on a 500 motor W/bounty of other mods......
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I suggest brabus 5.8 litre or brabus 6.1 litre, after market superchargers are not very reliable. I driven the renntech c55 supercharged the car stalls and suck! its quick but i dont recommend it.
Brabus is the best tuner in the world even though they are expensive as hell.
Brabus is the best tuner in the world even though they are expensive as hell.
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Originally Posted by mashimaro1985
I suggest brabus 5.8 litre or brabus 6.1 litre, after market superchargers are not very reliable. I driven the renntech c55 supercharged the car stalls and suck! its quick but i dont recommend it.
Brabus is the best tuner in the world even though they are expensive as hell.
Brabus is the best tuner in the world even though they are expensive as hell.
Superchargers are a very reliable and easy way of making a tremendous amount of power.
As for Brabus being the best, that's subjective.
BTW: Why can you blame the supercharger on the car stalling?
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Originally Posted by mashimaro1985
I suggest brabus 5.8 litre or brabus 6.1 litre, after market superchargers are not very reliable. I driven the renntech c55 supercharged the car stalls and suck! its quick but i dont recommend it.
Brabus is the best tuner in the world even though they are expensive as hell.
Brabus is the best tuner in the world even though they are expensive as hell.
You have NO idea what you are talking about. SC's are one of the MOST RELIABLE ways to increase power without ill effects.
I have owend several supercharged vehicles and none stalled or gave me any problems.
NEWS FLASH.. all the AMG cars (except the 65 series) are supercharged, do you ever hear any complaints??
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Originally Posted by mashimaro1985
I suggest brabus 5.8 litre or brabus 6.1 litre, after market superchargers are not very reliable. I driven the renntech c55 supercharged the car stalls and suck! its quick but i dont recommend it.
Brabus is the best tuner in the world even though they are expensive as hell.
Brabus is the best tuner in the world even though they are expensive as hell.
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Originally Posted by thericker55
Here let me show you how Cory is full of BS----Your saying Cory's qouting a CLS500 will gain 200hp at the fly wheel/crank that means w/Kleemann SC only, and no other mods will put your CLS500 @ 500hp....Click on this link
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109059 It's thread on Topline's S50K....Basically a Kleemann SC, + they've upped the boost from Kleemanns stock 7 psi to 9psi very dangerous for our 500 motors, + installed Carbon Fiber intake w/high flow filters, ECU chip tuning, Wald cat-back exhaust system, All this and there barely fetching 500hp at the crank/flywheel in that thread they list the Dyno Chart w/out corrected #'s So....Using .20% correcting factor for crank #'s you'll get 500 hp at the crank w/all those extra mods to get it there, so why don't you ask Cory what's up? If Cory was right Toplines S500 flywheel hp should be way over 500hp?????I'm not posting this to be antagonistic. I believe factual evidence and this is what a top tuner can get out of a Kleemann SC installed on a 500 motor W/bounty of other mods......
that means w/Kleemann SC only, and no other mods will put your CLS500 @ 500hp....Click on this linkhttps://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109059 It's thread on Topline's S50K....Basically a Kleemann SC, + they've upped the boost from Kleemanns stock 7 psi to 9psi very dangerous for our 500 motors, + installed Carbon Fiber intake w/high flow filters, ECU chip tuning, Wald cat-back exhaust system, All this and there barely fetching 500hp at the crank/flywheel in that thread they list the Dyno Chart w/out corrected #'s So....Using .20% correcting factor for crank #'s you'll get 500 hp at the crank w/all those extra mods to get it there, so why don't you ask Cory what's up? If Cory was right Toplines S500 flywheel hp should be way over 500hp?????I'm not posting this to be antagonistic. I believe factual evidence and this is what a top tuner can get out of a Kleemann SC installed on a 500 motor W/bounty of other mods......
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............this is about the correct number for a NA AMG V8 with the full Kleemann set up. My W210 E55 puts out 420RWHP and 434RWtorque. Mine is minus the Kleemann exhaust. Instead I used high flow CATS. This translates to 525 crank HP and 542crank torque. Exhausts as you know, do not increase HP. These are the same as your numbers. Dyno was done in Georgia. These are great numbers. Remember though that the s/c alone was supposed to give you 560HP. And with headers, camshafts and exhausts, you could push to 600HP. This is simply not the case regardless of location altitude etc. At least, not since late 2002. Looks like if one wants a 600HP mercedes, then they should get CL65.
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