Thericker

Yo AMG_55 what's up tomorrow? anytime to meet up for our race? And is that the Geico Caveman working on that Airbox? lol....

Blue_Monster

LMAO thats actually what he looks like

0700700

talking out of your a$$ perhaps

0700700

to that i can agree... just... at anything above idle the 63 sounds far too soft for an AMG... the 55 on the other hand has deep sound that is guaranteed to get heads turning. Dont take my word for it read Mercedes Enthusiast magazine, they found the 63 to be lacking in the noise department

Thericker

oops my bad, I didn't want to rip on Vadim he's a kool cat albeit bit harry though J/K bro!

AMG_55

what did you expect? im an armo

Thericker

I hear ya

mrademacher

i dunno, i've got a 55 with about 15k in upgrades, try to upgrade a 63 for 15k and hang with me...

i do appreciate the new engine and how smooth it us but 630 pounds of torque won't be as easy to find with it

x-tian-230k

YEAH BOI!

Nice

Bottom line is that the 63 is the new model and 55 are on ther way out! I have modified many of my cars and knew that I would be much more liimited on mods for the 63. $15k get you about 574 hp from a 55 w/renntech stage 4/5. $15k on a 63 would produce a total of aprox 580hp (renntech ECU (30), Exhaust & Headers (25 hp), cf intake (15hp). The tourque is not as high but there are also shorter gears on the 7 speed tranny and there is no turbo lag. I dont think there would be much of a difference between the two performance wise. I do thik it will be nice to cruise at 90mph in 7th at jist over 2k rmps.

Bipasha493

holy **** those commercials are hilarious. Especially the one when he is sitting with his psychiatrist. "my mother is calling, ill put her on speaker"

Blue_Monster

Look at it this way, if you would, The 55 engine came out in 99 I believe on the E55. Four years later, they slapped a supercharger on it to get almost 500 horsepower out of it. This is the first year for the 63, It has 500 horsepower with no supercharger.
Can you Imagine if I put a supercharger on the 63 engine ( which is probably possible for 15 K in the near future ) I would kill your 630 Pounds of torque.

I love the 55k Engine, But I think this new 63 has a lot more potential.

Bipasha493

transmission issues

Blue_Monster

Im sure that was an issue when they first put the SC on the 55 engine, but Theres always a way around it

TREZ63

Can someone explain to me why everyone says the 7-speed can't stand any more torque? Is there a logical reason or is it based on something that has already happened? Are you basing this on how bad the 7-speed was when it initially came out? What pray tell is the matter with the 7-SPD?

0700700

i dont think so... Porsche spent 3 years designing a 6speed auto gearbox for the Cayenne turbo, and yet deemed it unsuitable for the low down grunt of the 997 Turbo (as you know they are using AMGs 5 speed autobox)

http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/911...ndetail/drive/

Bolting on a supercharger on a 63 (or bi-turbo for that matter) would only be successful if they artificially limit the torque the engine produces... otherwise the tranny will go POP every 10000miles

0700700

actually look at this.. even Kleemann does not recommend you exceed 650nm after their supercharger assembly

http://www.kleemann.dk/site/D73BB20B...0-FBAD205206BF

Blue_Monster

you guys all have great points, But I think that Im right about the supercharger on the 63, That **** would blow the 55 away. , W/ no mods but the supercharger.

As far as the tranny, If anyone could do it, Its AMG

0700700

Lets talk sensibly: blow it away , yes. Backed by warranty, probably. What happens if it goes wrong, youre $crewed. Will it happen anytime soon, no... etc etc. Until that time i enjoy my brand new CLS55, and you enjoy your ML63... Speaking of which i literally murdered one last saturday... he never saw it coming

of course they will figure it out eventually. But it wont be the 7speed autobox found in your car. They will either redesign the box completely, or slot in a Dual-clutch DSG , which will handle the NM

Blue_Monster

Agreed- As far as "murdering" the ML63, why would you race an SUV, Did it make you feel like a big man, to beat a 3 ton truck with your CLS55 My 5 year old niece could of done that

0700700

your 5 year old niece wouldnt even reach the pedals... Guy said he would beat me, i had to teach him a lesson

whoover

It's not everyone, it's Mercedes. The five speed in the V-12s is rated at 1000 N-m (738 ft-lbs). They can't get the 7-speed to that rating. That's not surprising. More parts in the same space means they have to be smaller.

whoover

Rumor is that AMG has dropped their twin turbo project for the 6.2. A supercharger is out of the question because of height.

A biturbo 6.2 would be able to make any torque and power they want it to. It has more displacement than the 65 V-12, which has got to be a dilemma for AMG. As it is, they could easily tune the 65 to produce 700+ HP and 800+ ft-lbs. (All they have to do is turn off the de-tuning boost limitations that are there because of the tranny.)

So what would the 63TT be for? It would compete with their own engine. To what end? It would (hopefully) trade some weight for the uncanny smoothness of the 65s. That would be a bad idea for the S65 and CL65 experience. It might be ok for SL65. But I can't see AMG building an E63TT/CLS63TT that could beat the 65s. Marketing would stop that dead in its tracks. Which it sounds like they've already done.

sprins

Replacement.

If ever a turbo'd 63 would be made (probably dubbed 69) then the V12 would be promoted to the hall of fame.

0700700

perhaps they could use two small turbos (aka 335i) to get some more torque out of that engine... something like 550bhp and 750 nm ???


As for the 65AMGs , ive heard they are good for at least 680bhp/1200nm but they are downrated to protect the gearbox