mrademacher

"do you have an ability to read english"... You have to be kidding me. Why don't you start with the ability to write English then I'll work on my ability to read it. I'll stop mistaking you for a child when your writing level climbs above that of a 5th grader.

"i'm telling you...engine spec is great...but many civics have them as well" Please elaborate... First of all, if a civic had as much power as a k4 it would blow the doors off of a k4, m6 or 63. Something called power to weight ratio. Second, are you actually comparing a 55 to Civic? Is that the best you can do to defend your position?

mrademacher

I think you'll hold the slight advantage on a track like that but it will be close enough that the better driver will win. Thats whats so rediculous about all the emotion and denial involved in the posts on this forum. How often are you racing from 130 to 180?

ProjectC55

Any 1/4 mile time slips for your 63?

We will be recording high speed runs with CLS63 vs M6 and E55k vs 63, 63modded vs Renntech E55 to make everything more conclusive. No sense you guys having cat fights. Until then we'll have vids and then everyone can say what they want due to results. We plan on having Blackbenzz's Kleeman CLK55K4(1/4 mile time of 11.7@ 118.9mph and still learning how to drive the car) up here do a run as well.

Stay tuned!

cicbenz

You don't know that for sure.big turbo civics make big horse power but it will most likely lose a race across the 1/4 mile unless they also have a big money suspension because they will spin for the first 3 or 4 gears and have pretty bad lag. But if it's an eg or crx it will still run 10's with lag and spinning.so like I said you never know.

63 amg

Don't know how accurate all this info is and keeping in mind we have no idea who s behind the wheel in any of these results, but here is a link comparing the M5, M6, CLS63, CLK63 (had to add the CLK because well I have one, lol)

Any don't know if the link will work but here it is:
http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.ph...ame=Compare%21

If it does not work go to www.dragtime.com and click on compare. Like I said, don't know how accurate or which tracks they are on, but some do post pictures of the time slips. They do note on most if they have mods or if they are stock.

CLS63AMGGUY

Great points...I believe that the CLS63 vs the M5 would be close...but the CLS63 would take it to 150 with the M5 closing the gap as the speeds got up there...I also believe, and my buddy in the M6 agrees, that the CLS63 would be able to fend off a STOCK M6 to 120 but no more...

I'm not an expert...I just love high performance cars...for those of you that have seen my posts, I walked out on the M6 I ordered. It was sitting at the dealer...I almost took the plunge and bought it...but they weren't a dealership of their word so I walked out on the deal...

I love my CLS63...it is such a looker! The M6 is just a beast, though! Both are simply awesome!

But all in all...we should be comparing the CLS63 vs a M5...I just don't know anyone in the area with one.

CLS63AMGGUY

For my sake...I hope you are right...Mine is (was) quick...even with the problems...but once the new one arrives (should have it by 3/19 at the latest) I hope that it is even stronger! Especially from 50-120.

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

This is some of the worst writing I've ever come across. Anyway, I've driven an E63 (which is faster than a CLS63), CLS55 K4, and of course my own M5. Your assumption that a 63 is better at high speeds than a K4 is entirely incorrect. The 63's are great NA cars but the claim that they shine above 100mph is not all its cracked up to be. The 7 speed is geared entirely incorrectly for highway blasts, the 2 extra gears are built for fuel economy, FACT. Out of the 3 cars I referenced the K4 is by far and away the fastest at ANY SPEED. even heatsoaked it puts out more power than the M5 or any 63. Its overwhelming 140 horsepower advantage ignores any drawbacks the 5 speed auto may hand it. If you want to talk drags, you can plainly see that STOCK and slightly modified M5's/M6's are handing out gigantic ***-whoopings to 63's.

Besides all of this talk, which I think is pretty immature, squabbling about a half of a carlength on what is essentially a luxury car, you should probably have bought a race car if what you care about is speed. I wouldn't take my M5 to a track, it's not a track car. Neither is an AMG. These cars are fat, full of leather and metal and safety equipment, stereos and whatnot.

http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.ph...ame=Compare%21

juicee63

Good point man , sorry if I am so defensive..I just think the cars are close but that is only in performance LOOKS WISE...THE CLS is so much sexier, great lines and simply a head twister. M6 is the best looking new BMW. Course I think th 08 is looking much better saw a 328 that was super slick. Ok Once again no disrespect to your run but I bet you your new car once broken in will shine from 70-130and if you get a chance do this run again. I suppose the M6 begins its assault on you after 130. I agree to the fact the M6 is faster but it will not walk away at 70, 80 or 100, it is after the 130 mark I think the 63 may lose some ground and that is only in a straight line and only if the car is not in a kickdown mode. GOOD LUCK with the NEW ride

juicee63

[QUOTE=Cylinder Head;2074175]This is some of the worst writing I've ever come across. Anyway, I've driven an E63 (which is faster than a CLS63), CLS55 K4, and of course my own M5. Your assumption that a 63 is better at high speeds than a K4 is entirely incorrect. The 63's are great NA cars but the claim that they shine above 100mph is not all its cracked up to be. The 7 speed is geared entirely incorrectly for highway blasts, the 2 extra gears are built for fuel economy, FACT. Out of the 3 cars I referenced the K4 is by far and away the fastest at ANY SPEED. even heatsoaked it puts out more power than the M5 or any 63. Its overwhelming 140 horsepower advantage ignores any drawbacks the 5 speed auto may hand it. If you want to talk drags, you can plainly see that STOCK and slightly modified M5's/M6's are handing out gigantic ***-whoopings to 63's.

Besides all of this talk, which I think is pretty immature, squabbling about a half of a carlength on what is essentially a luxury car, you should probably have bought a race car if what you care about is speed. I wouldn't take my M5 to a track, it's not a track car. Neither is an AMG. These cars are fat, full of leather and metal and safety equipment, stereos and whatnot.


The sampling of 63's at the track are few and far between. When you say "*** whoopings at the drag" what does that infer? 0-60? There are a handful of runs compiled here maybe you could count them on ONE HAND. In the real world and on the track MY 63 has not been passed once by any of the cars you referenced?(well actually a 55 took me on the straight) but we caught him. We got munched by a 800 hp Maxima and a heavily modded 325, but a stock M5 and Stock M6 whooped no ssuch *** here in So Cal, they were plenty fast, and strong on the track but "*** whoopings" please let me know the glorious details. My 63 doe 0-60 4 seconds all day long and I will record timeslips in 1/4 on the 14th, and yes the two extra gears do not do much for speed, but 100-140 is still strong just stay outta 6th an 7th LOL. You make some great points, and I agree there is not much to talk about on a car legnth, this is my point tyhe cars are close. Then Bam in the next line you claim the 63 gets its *** end handed to it on the track? Which is not what many 55 owners and bmw owners witnessed when my car ran , yes it is 100% stock. For the record I s u c k as a driver. I make the CLS look s l o w and I kept up with the M5 and M6, and yes the driuvers of these cars were also NOVICE.. Bottom line the CLS was easy on the eyes and easier to get around the track for the Novice driver "*** whooping"

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

Your own final point here is your undoing. An autistic child can make an AMG accelerate consistently. You mash the pedal, you keep your hands on the wheel, done. It takes a great driver to wring out every ounce of performance from an M5/M6. There is a huge difference between shifting manually and letting an autobox handle things for you. If I short shift a single gear in the M5 my run is blown. If I bounce of the rev limiter my run is blown. M cars are drivers' cars, they take a lot of effort and a competent and skilled driver to get them to accelerate as well as possible.

Aside from that, I hardly consider a compilation of over 20 runs a "handful". Playing with your well-heeled Hollywood buddies is one thing, telling us what you "will" do at a track is another, and trying to ignore raw data enumerating over 21 runs on Dragtimes.com is just silly. I invite you to prove me wrong, and post your timeslip on Dragtimes.

juicee63

21 runs? You call that a good sampling. How many runs timeslips for the 55? for the Z06? This cars has been out a few months? Your initial sentence is a slap in the face of all AMG drivers , dude a track is not a straight line and it takes YEARS and YEARS of training in any car to become a skillful and safe track performer. We have a different opinion for sure 21 runs hardly is something to hang your hat on. But to entertain you I will look at your 21 total nationwide times in varying conditions and report back. Raw data please.. Bring it to the street son, or a track and we shall see "raw data".

juicee63

WHere on earth do you see 21 runs? I did a compare and the two cars combined have 8 posted times on www.dragtimes.com

THE CLS 63 has 2 ******* runs posted. Yes going from this the M6 wins easily in the 1/4 . However the best time shows NO SCANNED TIMESLIP.. Throw it out and the next best car (M6) has upgrades and would be slightly to moderately MODDED..The CLS is STOCK. Please point me to your 21 runs in the 63? The next bevy of #s seem to be more in line and point to closer 1/4 mile times. Course I was referencin a RACE around a track not a drag race, and in a drag race on the streets the M^ is the car that is getting roasted daily here in LA.. Just so happens we have a TON of AMG's and BMW's here so to find a real street race is very ez. Have you ever even raced a 63 head to head and recorded the result? Thanks in Advance

http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.ph...ame=Compare%21

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

I think you're interpreting this how you want to. I'm referring to drag racing, not zipping around Laguna Seca. We were talking about ACCELERATION, you now want to steer this into a discussion about apexing corners and the proper way to handle a sweeper. DRAGTIMES is just that, DRAGTIMES. The numbers posted up there are THE DATA. "Come to the street son" is a bit of a ridiculous challenge, don't degrade this into highschool BS.

Saying my statement is a slap in the face is just ignorant, read it again, and again, and make sure you go ahead and underline the word "ACCELERATE"

juicee63

Ok I see you compared the MODDED M5 and M6 times and threw in a clk 63, which threw down some pretty good times. For some ODD reason I thought we were talking CLS 63? Funny there is not even ONE timeslip for an 030 car. You are basing your opinions on your dragtimes link? So the 21 runs you reference are all inclusive of the TWO total runs accomplished by the CLS 63? I remind you and everyone else we are in the W219 section of this forum specifically comparing an M6 to a CLS 63. Ok thanks

juicee63

The first post in this thread is confusing and contradictory. You claimed your M5 and M6 would whoop the *** of a 63. Then you point to dragtimes dot com..This 2 me is ridiculous. Why would you not want to go to a track and see what happens? I do not think your conclusions on the 63 are accurate sorry. So lets talk straight line? In your opinion at what point in the race does the M5 M6 walk away from the 63?

juicee63

[QUOTE=Cylinder Head;2074342]Your own final point here is your undoing. An autistic child can make an AMG accelerate consistently. You mash the pedal, you keep your hands on the wheel, done. It takes a great driver to wring out every ounce of performance from an M5/M6. There is a huge difference between shifting manually and letting an autobox handle things for you. If I short shift a single gear in the M5 my run is blown. If I bounce of the rev limiter my run is blown. M cars are drivers' cars, they take a lot of effort and a competent and skilled driver to get them to accelerate as well as possible.

Aside from that, I hardly consider a compilation of over 20 runs a "handful". Playing with your well-heeled Hollywood buddies is one thing, telling us what you "will" do at a track is another, and trying to ignore raw data enumerating over 21 runs on Dragtimes.com is just silly. I invite you to prove me wrong, and post your timeslip on Dragtimes



Have you actually lined up at the drag strip in NJ against a CLS 63 and destroyed it?

juicee63

You compared AMG drivers to "Autistic Children" and you do not think this as a "slap in the face", You infer that driving a BMW requires more skill? Your car is more difficult to shift, so what AMG are very difficult to control traction wise so once again it would take more than an "Autistic Child" your example, to drive our cars. 507 is not as easy to mash around as you infer. So yeah it was a slap to me.

regor60

Two misuses of the word "infer" is two too many. I refer you to Fowler's.

Repeat after me, "I infer, you imply"

Have a nice day

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

Man, 4 posts, look at how wound up you are. I don't even know how to respond. Your language is twisted and mislead, you attempt to twist my words and replace them to suit your own interests. First of all I didn't "compare" anything to an autistic child, I stated that one could accelerate in an NA, automatic car with no issue. If you took this to heart, maybe you should have a self esteem check.

Second of all, if you'd actually taken the time to read both my post and the dragtimes link, you'd see that most of the M5's in the top ten there were BONE STOCK, so you're entirely wrong on that account.

The first post on this thread is not misleading. He states something that I find to be agreeable. The low end torque helps the 63 to a slight advantage early on, from there the gearing advantage of the M6 takes over. Fine.

Also, I've previously said that I don't take my M5 to the track, it's a daily driver, I don't get a hardon about subjugating other cars in it, that's what my Supra's for. You said you "will" post some times, I said I have no intention, therefore your challenge to me falls on deaf ears. You yourself just complained about the lack of representation of 63's on Dragtimes, so go "take it to the streets son"

You apparently take this **** way too personally, and way too seriously, and you're willing to look desperate in order to defend your purchase. Go take some advil and a long walk.

juicee63

Incorrect To conclude from evidence or premises.
To reason from circumstance; surmise: We can infer that his motive in publishing the diary was less than honorable.
To lead to as a consequence or conclusion: “Socrates argued that a statue inferred the existence of a sculptor” (Academy).
To hint; imply.
v.intr.


Way to add to the discussion? He inferred forom the track times data, JACK

juicee63

Jeez I was having fun, sorry you are upset . My car is faster than yours LOL. I do not need to defend my purchase I have owned 20 some odd BMW's and the CLS is fine and IMO better than any of the current BMW models sorry. And for a daily driver the CLS is so much better than the M5 IMO. The Supra is SIK

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

Glad we could resolve that, now let's "Hug it out b!tch!!"

0700700

well finally someone is talking some sense... As an m3 owner i completely agree that any run depends on a multitude of factors which do not apply to the AMGs in question. I found that consistent runs required soo much tinkering with optimal start and shift points, that in many cases making a single mistake (e.g. upshifting too early) would compromise any run.

When i bought my car i seriously considered the M5 and M6 (send me a pm if you want a link to my driving experiences and some pics), and found that i simply wasnt able to extract the maximum performance from this car... not in the straights, and definitely not in the bends.

There was never a doubt in my mind that the M5 and M6 were quicker than the CLS55 and CLS63, but given my level of ability i can consistently get better results from the cls55.... As for the CLS55 and CLS63, there have been a number of tests, including Mercedes Enthusiast Magazine which have concluded that the CLS55 is quicker 0-100mph by roughly quarter of a second, and slower from 0-150mph by the same measure.

On a final note, i have been in a CLS55k coverted by wetterauer (a german tuner) to around 598bhp/950nm... Its their sports2package. And there is NO chance whatsoever that any ///M, be it 5 or 6 can take it in the straights

juicee63

LOL, seriously your M5 is a fantastic ride and I just happen at this stage in my old age like the style and interior of mbz a little more. My 540 wagon was insane and my 745 was incredibly comfy. My alltime fav was the 633CSI(1986) that was a beautiful car. Once again sorry if I offended you in any way , shape or form, that was not my intention. Have a great Day, the take it to the streets son was just a line out of a rap..LOL hold me...