M6 vs CLS63 story/comparisons
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M6 vs CLS63 story/comparisons
Nice day on Sunday here in the Carolinas, mid 70s...on the road with my buddy, he's got an '06 M6 with the ECU upgrade. The ECU helps him at the higher RPMs and as speeds get up there...here's the proof:
1) 5-80 the CLS63 has him by a 1/2 a car length...then the M6 takes over
2) 50-120 the M6 leads all the way about 1/2 to 1 car length to 90 or so and as the speeds increase so does the distance between the two cars
Both of us agree that the CLS63 would have a STOCK M6 from 0-100 or maybe even 120...but after that, that V10 is a monster...
Both cars sounded absolutely AWESOME...the M6, with a higher pitched rev, closer to a Ferrari sound and the deep gargle of the AMG engine...both, music to my ears!
1) 5-80 the CLS63 has him by a 1/2 a car length...then the M6 takes over
2) 50-120 the M6 leads all the way about 1/2 to 1 car length to 90 or so and as the speeds increase so does the distance between the two cars
Both of us agree that the CLS63 would have a STOCK M6 from 0-100 or maybe even 120...but after that, that V10 is a monster...
Both cars sounded absolutely AWESOME...the M6, with a higher pitched rev, closer to a Ferrari sound and the deep gargle of the AMG engine...both, music to my ears!
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Your racing your broken car against an M6? Am I missing something? Did you get a new one? Your CLS has a tranny problem, this is certainly not a fair comparison. Plus his ECU is tuned? Jeesus
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I really don't think that the tranny problems had anything to do with the outcome. That sounds about right. We've all seen the k4 pull hard away from the m6 and then watch the stock m6 reel it right back in.(m6board video) Its the nice high reving v10, smg tranny and better drag coeffiecent. Can't touch it up over 120mph.
However, when I compared the cls55 and the m6, I still made the choice for the 55. Can't get the torque out of the m6 engine (for me, nothing is more fun than a ton of torque), interior quality wins on the cls hands down and most street races never exceed 130 mph.
However, when I compared the cls55 and the m6, I still made the choice for the 55. Can't get the torque out of the m6 engine (for me, nothing is more fun than a ton of torque), interior quality wins on the cls hands down and most street races never exceed 130 mph.
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I agree, i dont think the tranny problems would have had much to do with it at all. The new V10 is a monster above 90 compared to any of our stock AMG's, but how often do you get to use that? Our AMG's are almost unbeatable at any normal speed, i think thats why most of us choose them over the bmw's.
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You guys r not reading this board with clear minds. This guy has a broken car a lemon an you are saying it has "little to do with the outcome" How many times have you taken the CLS 63 over 130? I can tell you the torque is still there @ 130 my car was in 4th gear. The 63 engine is not the 55 and is suited well to keep up with the M6 above 120 mph. The advantage would be after upshifting to 6th and 7th which smooths out the power band. I really am skeptical the race ever got to 130 and above. Plus the poster has a thread right here on this board about his mechanical issues with the tranny? Any minor prob would slow the 63 including simple normal daily driving. I Love the M6 but the two cars are very very close in performance there is no way it walks the 63. funny imo
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You guys r not reading this board with clear minds. This guy has a broken car a lemon an you are saying it has "little to do with the outcome" How many times have you taken the CLS 63 over 130? I can tell you the torque is still there @ 130 my car was in 4th gear. The 63 engine is not the 55 and is suited well to keep up with the M6 above 120 mph. The advantage would be after upshifting to 6th and 7th which smooths out the power band. I really am skeptical the race ever got to 130 and above. Plus the poster has a thread right here on this board about his mechanical issues with the tranny? Any minor prob would slow the 63 including simple normal daily driving. I Love the M6 but the two cars are very very close in performance there is no way it walks the 63. funny imo
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Do you know what a k4 is? It is rated at 640hp and 665 pounds of torque. Do you really think your car is anywhere near as fast as a k4? Do you deny the fact that the m6 clearly reeled the k4 back in up over 100mpg on the m6 board video? I find it hard to believe that you are questioning whether our minds are clear.
p.s. would u find out the track record of K4 instead of the engine spec? because there are lot of 800 hp civics out there and only can manage under 5 seconds of 0-60. think carefully.. corvette engine mods are strong. but doesn't mean it goes faster than the stock Z06. (may be 1/4 mile) and one more thing, it's not a 100mpg... it's 100mph. thanks.
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I've raced a stock 63 and it wasn't even close, I only have a k2 with front cats removed, airbox and lsd. Theres no chance in hell that a 63 is as fast as a k4. You guys need to actually race your cars before you keep rambling on about this. (cts-v's don't count)
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ok...ok... big guy...
so, means that you have no idea how fast the K4 do the track. right? not only that, i don't think i said 63 is faster than K4. I was just thinking that SC cls are not doing so good above 100. (doesn't mean it's bad, but it doesn't rev high enough to keep up with M6) but the 63, i think there is a better chance to keep up with M6 in high speed than the 55. that's all. just because you have 55 and K2 upgrade, don't be too nervous to read some other's opinion. here's some treat for you "hey, your K2 is the BEST 
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p.s. I'm keep telling you that there are so many of civics that will out hp and out torque your K2. I know i'm in the america where people only counts HP and Torque (most importantly, the Torque) and straight ways. anyway, due to all CLS models' it will be untouched by m6 at normal speeds. but i still believe that 63 will have better chance of keeping up with m6 in high rev speed range.
"p.s. I'm keep telling you that there are so many of civics that will out hp and out torque your K2. I know i'm in the america where people only counts HP and Torque (most importantly, the Torque) and straight ways. anyway, due to all CLS models' it will be untouched by m6 at normal speeds. but i still believe that 63 will have better chance of keeping up with m6 in high rev speed range.
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I really don't think that the tranny problems had anything to do with the outcome. That sounds about right. We've all seen the k4 pull hard away from the m6 and then watch the stock m6 reel it right back in.(m6board video) Its the nice high reving v10, smg tranny and better drag coeffiecent. Can't touch it up over 120mph.
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Do you know what a k4 is? It is rated at 640hp and 665 pounds of torque. Do you really think your car is anywhere near as fast as a k4? Do you deny the fact that the m6 clearly reeled the k4 back in up over 100mpg on the m6 board video? I find it hard to believe that you are questioning whether our minds are clear.
so, means that you have no idea how fast the K4 do the track. right? not only that, i don't think i said 63 is faster than K4. I was just thinking that SC cls are not doing so good above 100. (doesn't mean it's bad, but it doesn't rev high enough to keep up with M6) but the 63, i think there is a better chance to keep up with M6 in high speed than the 55. that's all. just because you have 55 and K2 upgrade, don't be too nervous to read some other's opinion. here's some treat for you "hey, your K2 is the BEST "
"Have'nt you both read any of the threads on the M5 board and the mbworld E55, E63 threads with the video tape of the RenntechE55 killing the ICS M6? The K4 has been discussed in depth many times in these threads. Kleeman uses a crappy lil intercooler(heat exchanger) that is totally inefficient once the car makes that kind of HP.
Difference between Kleeman heat exchanger and aftermarket one:
https://mbworld.org/forums/clk55-amg-clk63-amg-w208-w209/173611-work-progress-front-mount-heat-exchanger.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...81#post2004681
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...hlight=captree
PS I was there for these runs!!!!!
We will be recording more vids just to make things more conclusive. By the way this m5 was heavily modded.
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I still have yet to see a 63 anything run. It definitely won't match the potential of the supercharged 5.5L motors as seen in the vids. But I will say that the 63 cars they say handle much better and are tighter.
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when I read you wrote such a reply as "there's no chance in hell 63 would keep up with K4", I just felt like there is a one little baby that does not wanna see any others' opinion about CLS and try to fold his eyes with childish defense on his car which nobody offended. now I just feel like baby is calling me as "children" look, before you call someone as "children" behave like an adult. I would like to say first, I never said K4 is better or worse car than the 63. from the beginning, I kept say, I "THINK" there is better chance for 63 to keep up with m6 in higher speed. do you have an ability to read english? it was just an opinion. plus, since you posted me all kinds of good specs and belief on K4, I just wanted to see the track record and as soon as I understand, I won't deny it. the fact is that you never showed me anything, therefore there was nothing to accept or deny. i'm telling you...engine spec is great...but many civics have them as well.
P.S. Oh, by the way, it was really a good sentence. and I think i'll give it back to you. "denial is not just that thick fog you're wading in" (mrademacher). [I even gave you a credit for what you wrote! so feel better!]
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You guys r not reading this board with clear minds. This guy has a broken car a lemon an you are saying it has "little to do with the outcome" How many times have you taken the CLS 63 over 130? I can tell you the torque is still there @ 130 my car was in 4th gear. The 63 engine is not the 55 and is suited well to keep up with the M6 above 120 mph. The advantage would be after upshifting to 6th and 7th which smooths out the power band. I really am skeptical the race ever got to 130 and above. Plus the poster has a thread right here on this board about his mechanical issues with the tranny? Any minor prob would slow the 63 including simple normal daily driving. I Love the M6 but the two cars are very very close in performance there is no way it walks the 63. funny imo
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With respect to the M6, and trust me when I say this, I would not be caught dead in that disgusting plastic looking garbage can. These conversations about M6's and CLS 63's are really fruitless. The only people who should be chiming in here are owners of either the M6 or a CLS 63(with a good tranny) and just leave it there. People buy different cars for different reasons. An M6 will take care of a CLS over 100 like you guys have been talking about, but how come no one is bringing up BMW's 4 DOOR CAR, the M5. The M5 is slower than the M6 according to every test ever conducted in the history of mankind, therefore, remove the ECU mod and drop it to an M5 and then I think we have a race the Benz is ready for. And with respect to the 55k boys in here, please dont put down the stock 63 being that a stock 55 would have even LESS of a prayer against the modded M6 at high speeds. Wait for a 63 with ecu, air box and full exhaust including headers and the sentiments in here may soon change. It is easy for a group that has 4 years of R&D on aftermarket products to rip a group with no mods, just give us time.
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With respect to the M6, and trust me when I say this, I would not be caught dead in that disgusting plastic looking garbage can. These conversations about M6's and CLS 63's are really fruitless. The only people who should be chiming in here are owners of either the M6 or a CLS 63(with a good tranny) and just leave it there. People buy different cars for different reasons. An M6 will take care of a CLS over 100 like you guys have been talking about, but how come no one is bringing up BMW's 4 DOOR CAR, the M5. The M5 is slower than the M6 according to every test ever conducted in the history of mankind, therefore, remove the ECU mod and drop it to an M5 and then I think we have a race the Benz is ready for. And with respect to the 55k boys in here, please dont put down the stock 63 being that a stock 55 would have even LESS of a prayer against the modded M6 at high speeds. Wait for a 63 with ecu, air box and full exhaust including headers and the sentiments in here may soon change. It is easy for a group that has 4 years of R&D on aftermarket products to rip a group with no mods, just give us time.
Moddd E55 vs modded M6 would be a nice race. $$ on the 55!
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You guys although I like the thread dare really lacking comprehension.
1. The Guy clearly states on the MB that his car has had 3 times tranny probs, that was my point, his car aint healthy...Now everyone is claiming the 63 gets walked by the M6 over 100 mph, that is assinine.. It has not happened to me and I have race 2 brand spanking new M6 and the CLS driven professionally won by 6/10ths of a second on a 3.5 mile track.. The M6 had less torque and less and did not do well coming out of the twisties. You guys and you magazine reviews, take it to a track.. Who here actually has an M6 and wants to actually race on a track. The M6 may win , but walking away over 70 jeesus I am still in 3rd, you guys actually telling me the M6 has moree power in 3rd than the 63? Look at a DYNO..Dudes car is broken . The M6 and 63 are very close from everything I have seen in person..I am not taking a guy's pseudo runs on some Carolina road as fact, I will run my car and report my *** whooping when it actually happens. I will believe it when I see it, And that K4 fiasco is complete crap..Dont even try spewing that old thread again.
1. The Guy clearly states on the MB that his car has had 3 times tranny probs, that was my point, his car aint healthy...Now everyone is claiming the 63 gets walked by the M6 over 100 mph, that is assinine.. It has not happened to me and I have race 2 brand spanking new M6 and the CLS driven professionally won by 6/10ths of a second on a 3.5 mile track.. The M6 had less torque and less and did not do well coming out of the twisties. You guys and you magazine reviews, take it to a track.. Who here actually has an M6 and wants to actually race on a track. The M6 may win , but walking away over 70 jeesus I am still in 3rd, you guys actually telling me the M6 has moree power in 3rd than the 63? Look at a DYNO..Dudes car is broken . The M6 and 63 are very close from everything I have seen in person..I am not taking a guy's pseudo runs on some Carolina road as fact, I will run my car and report my *** whooping when it actually happens. I will believe it when I see it, And that K4 fiasco is complete crap..Dont even try spewing that old thread again.
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How did your car get fixed in the less than 24 hours between threads? Just curious? I see you are now getting a brand new cls 63..Do me a favor and please take the healthy car out and report back.
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Ok so I guess I will go to Big Willow on the 14th if any M6 owners wanna run..We shall see how my car does against the V10 , I will post a video and or still shots and or time slips whatever, I would love to go 190 mph but I think the track will hold both cars to 130 and under so now what do you think the result may be? You guys need to experience this car at HIGH SPEED it was built for this, this motor is a kickdown master and can be pushed much harder at high spped than the 55k, sorry guys but the 55k rules many aspects of the track but high speed for extended track is not its strength. That is not to suggest for one second a 55k could not handle the M6 on Big Willow, IT COULD. The M6 while very capable is waaaaaaaay more difficult to drive well. Track day is the 14th, hopefully members here will actually start respecting the 63.
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With respect to the M6, and trust me when I say this, I would not be caught dead in that disgusting plastic looking garbage can. These conversations about M6's and CLS 63's are really fruitless. The only people who should be chiming in here are owners of either the M6 or a CLS 63(with a good tranny) and just leave it there. People buy different cars for different reasons. An M6 will take care of a CLS over 100 like you guys have been talking about, but how come no one is bringing up BMW's 4 DOOR CAR, the M5. The M5 is slower than the M6 according to every test ever conducted in the history of mankind, therefore, remove the ECU mod and drop it to an M5 and then I think we have a race the Benz is ready for. And with respect to the 55k boys in here, please dont put down the stock 63 being that a stock 55 would have even LESS of a prayer against the modded M6 at high speeds. Wait for a 63 with ecu, air box and full exhaust including headers and the sentiments in here may soon change. It is easy for a group that has 4 years of R&D on aftermarket products to rip a group with no mods, just give us time.
