Cls 63 030
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after driving many benz models this year, 07 SL 55, E63, E55, S550,S600,
I must say,
The brakes on the CLS 63 030 are many times better than the stock brakes offered on the new lineup w/o performance package.
The brakes on my CLS 63 are larger than the brakes on the CLK Black. I wonder if this is the largest rotor and caliper used on a Mercedes?
390mm vs 360 on the BS.
nternally ventilated composite brake discs measuring 390 x 36 mm on the front axle.
Very difficult finding rims, but the car certainly stops with ease
I must say,
The brakes on the CLS 63 030 are many times better than the stock brakes offered on the new lineup w/o performance package.
The brakes on my CLS 63 are larger than the brakes on the CLK Black. I wonder if this is the largest rotor and caliper used on a Mercedes?
390mm vs 360 on the BS.
nternally ventilated composite brake discs measuring 390 x 36 mm on the front axle.
Very difficult finding rims, but the car certainly stops with ease
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You should try the brakes on a new 997 Turbo with PCCB....I get in any car I have afterwards and think that it needed new brakes after driving it. I get in my CLS and find myself stopping awfully close to the car in front of me everytime.
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Car was very fun and very strong in first gear, very strong.;
Let me know if you have an idea of the size of the rotor and caliper on your 997..
thanks
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After using my car then driving an 07 SL 55, I was suprised how much better my car felt, in every way. The seats in the SL su** and the brakes? hmmm,
Car was very fun and very strong in first gear, very strong.;
Let me know if you have an idea of the size of the rotor and caliper on your 997..
thanks
Car was very fun and very strong in first gear, very strong.;
Let me know if you have an idea of the size of the rotor and caliper on your 997..
thanks
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2008 CLS63 AMG, 2008 Cadillac Escalade, 2006 BMW 325i, 2004 BMW 545i, 2004 Cadillac CTS-V
What is an 030?
Is there a difference between the CLS63 AMG and the CLS63 AMG 030? If so, what is the difference?
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E63 P30, CL500 Sport
CLS63 030 vs CLS63
- Bigger brakes
- Bigger, lighter, stronger wheels (2 piece)
- Stiffer suspension (18 to 20% stiffer)
- ECU limiter increased to 186 mph (instead of 155 on non 030 models)
- Racing steering wheel with Alacantra grips
- Limited Slip Differential (most important)
- An additional $9,500
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a car that gets very poor gas mileage.
The CLS AMG 030 comes with this:
- Bigger brakes
- Bigger, lighter, stronger wheels (2 piece)
- Stiffer suspension (18 to 20% stiffer)
- ECU limiter increased to 186 mph (instead of 155 on non 030 models)
- Racing steering wheel with Alacantra grips
- Limited Slip Differential (most important)
- An additional $9,500
- Bigger brakes
- Bigger, lighter, stronger wheels (2 piece)
- Stiffer suspension (18 to 20% stiffer)
- ECU limiter increased to 186 mph (instead of 155 on non 030 models)
- Racing steering wheel with Alacantra grips
- Limited Slip Differential (most important)
- An additional $9,500
And just to add another element into the mix... there's the P30 package which adds ceramic brakes.
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CLS 55
The CLS AMG 030 comes with this:
- Bigger brakes
- Bigger, lighter, stronger wheels (2 piece)
- Stiffer suspension (18 to 20% stiffer)
- ECU limiter increased to 186 mph (instead of 155 on non 030 models)
- Racing steering wheel with Alacantra grips
- Limited Slip Differential (most important)
- An additional $9,500
- Bigger brakes
- Bigger, lighter, stronger wheels (2 piece)
- Stiffer suspension (18 to 20% stiffer)
- ECU limiter increased to 186 mph (instead of 155 on non 030 models)
- Racing steering wheel with Alacantra grips
- Limited Slip Differential (most important)
- An additional $9,500
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15.4 inches vs 14.2 inches.
390mm vs 360 mm,
The brakes on the 030 CLS 63 are MUCH bigger
so are the wheels
8.5 x 19 ET 25 with 263/35R19, rear: 10 x 19 ET 28 with 285/30R19.
The brakes are the same as what is offered on the CL 63 AMG (2008) and they have incredible stoping power when compared with stock.
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The optional rotors on the forthcoming RS6 are 420mm 8-piston units that will stop a train. They are also ceramic.
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After using my car then driving an 07 SL 55, I was suprised how much better my car felt, in every way. The seats in the SL su** and the brakes? hmmm,
Car was very fun and very strong in first gear, very strong.;
Let me know if you have an idea of the size of the rotor and caliper on your 997..
thanks
Car was very fun and very strong in first gear, very strong.;
Let me know if you have an idea of the size of the rotor and caliper on your 997..
thanks
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More info on them here....
Combining low weight with exceptional strength and hardness – Carbon-Ceramic is a ceramic composite material, composed of carbon fiber within a silicon carbide matrix, so-called carbon fiber reinforced silicon carbide (C/SiC).
Carbon-Ceramic brake discs offer substantial improvements over the dynamics of sports and luxury cars in several fundamental areas. This new composite technology sets a new benchmark in decisive user benefit aspects, such as safety and durability.
Carbon-Ceramic brake performance is revolutionary. The ceramic brake disc achieves not only very high, but also consistent frictional coefficients, maintaining them independent from temperature and weather conditions.
Carbon-Ceramic brake discs offer a tremendous weight advantage (about 65%) over traditional grey-cast iron components. This reduces the weight of the suspension and means a reduction in unsprung masses with a further improvement of shock absorber response and behavior.
Carbon-Ceramic brake discs are designed to last the entire lifetime of a car. Thanks to the non-iron based surface, corrosion is totally avoided, increasing the life span of the brake disc.
Combining low weight with exceptional strength and hardness – Carbon-Ceramic is a ceramic composite material, composed of carbon fiber within a silicon carbide matrix, so-called carbon fiber reinforced silicon carbide (C/SiC).
Carbon-Ceramic brake discs offer substantial improvements over the dynamics of sports and luxury cars in several fundamental areas. This new composite technology sets a new benchmark in decisive user benefit aspects, such as safety and durability.
Carbon-Ceramic brake performance is revolutionary. The ceramic brake disc achieves not only very high, but also consistent frictional coefficients, maintaining them independent from temperature and weather conditions.
Carbon-Ceramic brake discs offer a tremendous weight advantage (about 65%) over traditional grey-cast iron components. This reduces the weight of the suspension and means a reduction in unsprung masses with a further improvement of shock absorber response and behavior.
Carbon-Ceramic brake discs are designed to last the entire lifetime of a car. Thanks to the non-iron based surface, corrosion is totally avoided, increasing the life span of the brake disc.
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More info on them here....
Combining low weight with exceptional strength and hardness – Carbon-Ceramic is a ceramic composite material, composed of carbon fiber within a silicon carbide matrix, so-called carbon fiber reinforced silicon carbide (C/SiC).
Carbon-Ceramic brake discs offer substantial improvements over the dynamics of sports and luxury cars in several fundamental areas. This new composite technology sets a new benchmark in decisive user benefit aspects, such as safety and durability.
Carbon-Ceramic brake performance is revolutionary. The ceramic brake disc achieves not only very high, but also consistent frictional coefficients, maintaining them independent from temperature and weather conditions.
Carbon-Ceramic brake discs offer a tremendous weight advantage (about 65%) over traditional grey-cast iron components. This reduces the weight of the suspension and means a reduction in unsprung masses with a further improvement of shock absorber response and behavior.
Carbon-Ceramic brake discs are designed to last the entire lifetime of a car. Thanks to the non-iron based surface, corrosion is totally avoided, increasing the life span of the brake disc.
Combining low weight with exceptional strength and hardness – Carbon-Ceramic is a ceramic composite material, composed of carbon fiber within a silicon carbide matrix, so-called carbon fiber reinforced silicon carbide (C/SiC).
Carbon-Ceramic brake discs offer substantial improvements over the dynamics of sports and luxury cars in several fundamental areas. This new composite technology sets a new benchmark in decisive user benefit aspects, such as safety and durability.
Carbon-Ceramic brake performance is revolutionary. The ceramic brake disc achieves not only very high, but also consistent frictional coefficients, maintaining them independent from temperature and weather conditions.
Carbon-Ceramic brake discs offer a tremendous weight advantage (about 65%) over traditional grey-cast iron components. This reduces the weight of the suspension and means a reduction in unsprung masses with a further improvement of shock absorber response and behavior.
Carbon-Ceramic brake discs are designed to last the entire lifetime of a car. Thanks to the non-iron based surface, corrosion is totally avoided, increasing the life span of the brake disc.
Lots of loose terms-best, larger rotor, etc.
The brake pad clamps against the rotor (not the caliper) and is the material with the coefficient of friction "mu" value. The higher the mu the more friction is created to counter the rotational force by the wheel. Matched with a sufficient surface area of the brake pad (not necessarily the diameter of the rotor) the wheel will stop sooner. Other factors such as heat enters into the equation together with wear of the brake pad and rotor. A super hard brake pad will wear the rotor before the brake pads. Heat is generated to transfer the energy from the rotational force and it is needed to be quickly dissipated to be efficient. Organic, Metallic and Semi metallic pads retain heat longer than desired. Ceramics and ceramics with copper fibers dissipate heat quickly, thus transferring this energy ( remember-engery can not be created or destroyed; only transfered) to achieve a shorter braking distance.
When considering brake pads, remember the higher the coefficient of friction the 'quicker" it will stop. Heavy brake use such as in racing or track use, heat dissipation becomes a concern. Pick a brake pad for your application, and for AMG CLSs-Brembo brand has available only MB factory pads for replacement. No others Brembos are available. The factory pads and rotors are the best match to the calipers and car.
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WOW.
I just drove the SLR and measured the rotors and calipers, the rotors are smooth and ceramic and are smaller than the rotors on my 030 CLS.
The SLR makes my car feel like a Jetta (no offense to Jetta owners)
This car is ridiculous
It is featured on our TV show "Dirty sexy Money"
http:////s57.photobucket.com/albums/...t=PICT2239.flv
Just ignore the silly commentary and listen to this engine, what an incredible sounding ride
[/IMG]I just drove the SLR and measured the rotors and calipers, the rotors are smooth and ceramic and are smaller than the rotors on my 030 CLS.
The SLR makes my car feel like a Jetta (no offense to Jetta owners)
This car is ridiculous
It is featured on our TV show "Dirty sexy Money"
http:////s57.photobucket.com/albums/...t=PICT2239.flv
Just ignore the silly commentary and listen to this engine, what an incredible sounding ride
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WOW.
I just drove the SLR and measured the rotors and calipers, the rotors are smooth and ceramic and are smaller than the rotors on my 030 CLS.
The SLR makes my car feel like a Jetta (no offense to Jetta owners)
This car is ridiculous
It is featured on our TV show "Dirty sexy Money"
http:////s57.photobucket.com/albums/...t=PICT2239.flv
Just ignore the silly commentary and listen to this engine, what an incredible sounding ride
[/IMG]WOW.
I just drove the SLR and measured the rotors and calipers, the rotors are smooth and ceramic and are smaller than the rotors on my 030 CLS.
The SLR makes my car feel like a Jetta (no offense to Jetta owners)
This car is ridiculous
It is featured on our TV show "Dirty sexy Money"
http:////s57.photobucket.com/albums/...t=PICT2239.flv
Just ignore the silly commentary and listen to this engine, what an incredible sounding ride
Not easy getting your butt out of that car!
