cls55 vs cls63 for tuning
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cls55 vs cls63 for tuning
Im a long time lurker and have been fortunate to have read and learned much from these boards. Thank you all.
Im planning on buying a 55 or 63 and doing a Kleeman (or Brabus, Renntech, etc) level 3 package or the reasonable equivalent. I have 2 questions.
First, is the 55 more readily tuned? ( I dont race but Im looking for a car that would do mid 11's and a 0-60 around 4.0). It seems there are more alternatives given its been out longer and the ease of getting reasonable gains from an increase in boost and concurrent intake/exhaust work.
Second, will I feel a significant difference from stock? Is there a huge difference between a stock 4.3 0-60 and a hopefully attainable 4.0 or a 12 second vs mid 11 second car?
Thanks for any and all input and advice.
Im planning on buying a 55 or 63 and doing a Kleeman (or Brabus, Renntech, etc) level 3 package or the reasonable equivalent. I have 2 questions.
First, is the 55 more readily tuned? ( I dont race but Im looking for a car that would do mid 11's and a 0-60 around 4.0). It seems there are more alternatives given its been out longer and the ease of getting reasonable gains from an increase in boost and concurrent intake/exhaust work.
Second, will I feel a significant difference from stock? Is there a huge difference between a stock 4.3 0-60 and a hopefully attainable 4.0 or a 12 second vs mid 11 second car?
Thanks for any and all input and advice.
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Im a long time lurker and have been fortunate to have read and learned much from these boards. Thank you all.
Im planning on buying a 55 or 63 and doing a Kleeman (or Brabus, Renntech, etc) level 3 package or the reasonable equivalent. I have 2 questions.
First, is the 55 more readily tuned? ( I dont race but Im looking for a car that would do mid 11's and a 0-60 around 4.0). It seems there are more alternatives given its been out longer and the ease of getting reasonable gains from an increase in boost and concurrent intake/exhaust work.
Second, will I feel a significant difference from stock? Is there a huge difference between a stock 4.3 0-60 and a hopefully attainable 4.0 or a 12 second vs mid 11 second car?
Thanks for any and all input and advice.
Im planning on buying a 55 or 63 and doing a Kleeman (or Brabus, Renntech, etc) level 3 package or the reasonable equivalent. I have 2 questions.
First, is the 55 more readily tuned? ( I dont race but Im looking for a car that would do mid 11's and a 0-60 around 4.0). It seems there are more alternatives given its been out longer and the ease of getting reasonable gains from an increase in boost and concurrent intake/exhaust work.
Second, will I feel a significant difference from stock? Is there a huge difference between a stock 4.3 0-60 and a hopefully attainable 4.0 or a 12 second vs mid 11 second car?
Thanks for any and all input and advice.
I have seen both stock 55's and stock 63's hit 4 second 0-60 times. The times are driver dependant more so than the level of tunes in the cars. Just because the power is greater does not mean it can be transferred to the pavement. Either car will be incredible but obviously the boost can be turned up on the 55 and the 63 would need headers, weight mods and or a SC or turbo's or NOS to match a stage 3 55. I spent about 6k on my car and it is only as fast as a stage 1-2 55. You could do NOS cheap and the 63 loves it, guy here just went 11.80's and the car was not properly tuned. He could certainly match a stage 5 55. So just depends. Adding the KB SC to the 63 likely will be expensive, but certainly make the car scream.What does it cost to do headers , cams, pulley and a tune on a 55?
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Its roughly 10k for ecu, headers etc. for a 55.
http://www.gmbhmotorsports.com/index...isplay&tab=318
Of course, an 06 55 is about 10k less than an 07 63.
For 10k am I going to see/feel a significant or even noticable difference if I dont race?
http://www.gmbhmotorsports.com/index...isplay&tab=318
Of course, an 06 55 is about 10k less than an 07 63.
For 10k am I going to see/feel a significant or even noticable difference if I dont race?
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My 55 fully loaded with P030 option, no distronic is $ 107K. The 63 is $ 111K. $ 5K difference.
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Im a long time lurker and have been fortunate to have read and learned much from these boards. Thank you all.
Im planning on buying a 55 or 63 and doing a Kleeman (or Brabus, Renntech, etc) level 3 package or the reasonable equivalent. I have 2 questions.
First, is the 55 more readily tuned? ( I dont race but Im looking for a car that would do mid 11's and a 0-60 around 4.0). It seems there are more alternatives given its been out longer and the ease of getting reasonable gains from an increase in boost and concurrent intake/exhaust work.
Second, will I feel a significant difference from stock? Is there a huge difference between a stock 4.3 0-60 and a hopefully attainable 4.0 or a 12 second vs mid 11 second car?
Thanks for any and all input and advice.
Im planning on buying a 55 or 63 and doing a Kleeman (or Brabus, Renntech, etc) level 3 package or the reasonable equivalent. I have 2 questions.
First, is the 55 more readily tuned? ( I dont race but Im looking for a car that would do mid 11's and a 0-60 around 4.0). It seems there are more alternatives given its been out longer and the ease of getting reasonable gains from an increase in boost and concurrent intake/exhaust work.
Second, will I feel a significant difference from stock? Is there a huge difference between a stock 4.3 0-60 and a hopefully attainable 4.0 or a 12 second vs mid 11 second car?
Thanks for any and all input and advice.
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I should have put in my first post that I not only searched this forum, but read nearly every post dealing with tuning. I also surveyed other forums and purused the tuners' websites. After all of that, I never found a direct comparison of 0-60 or quarter mile times for the same car with the same driver, which compared pre tuning with post tuning. Nor have I found much if any discussion on streetability and reliability--understandable with 63's as they are pretty new to tuning, but surprising for 55's. I also never found any comparison between the aftermarket tuning of a 63 NA engine vis-avis a 55 supercharged engine. Nor could I surmise much from reading many posts touching on these issues as they dealt with different drivers and different cars and never got to the crux of my concerns and inquiries.
If you or anyone else could link a thread or give me your personal experience id greatly appreciate it.
If you or anyone else could link a thread or give me your personal experience id greatly appreciate it.
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I should have put in my first post that I not only searched this forum, but read nearly every post dealing with tuning. I also surveyed other forums and purused the tuners' websites. After all of that, I never found a direct comparison of 0-60 or quarter mile times for the same car with the same driver, which compared pre tuning with post tuning. Nor have I found much if any discussion on streetability and reliability--understandable with 63's as they are pretty new to tuning, but surprising for 55's. I also never found any comparison between the aftermarket tuning of a 63 NA engine vis-avis a 55 supercharged engine. Nor could I surmise much from reading many posts touching on these issues as they dealt with different drivers and different cars and never got to the crux of my concerns and inquiries.
If you or anyone else could link a thread or give me your personal experience id greatly appreciate it.
If you or anyone else could link a thread or give me your personal experience id greatly appreciate it.
Hopefully soon we will start to see 63 power stages and test them on the track
