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Any feedback from current or past owners would be great!
But in looks, oh man, that thing is just pure sex on wheels. Always been one of my absolute favorites. And with that in mind, even though the DB9 and Vantage V8 models aren't as quick, they sure are beautiful to look at!
I jest (well, in part...), though...it's just simply one of the most gorgeous cars out on the road, full stop...but for the price, the V8 Vantage should be a bit faster imo. They prolly don't want it to serve as a "viable" alternative to the DB series, and so neuter its performance. A pity...

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For those who are unfamiliar with this troll: basically all he's done (11 or so out of 14 total posts) since joining here is troll the E and CLS forums telling any prospective purchasers/sellers that the prices they're asking/thinking of paying are too high, and that one could find a nice example on Ebay for far less...uh, yeah, if one wants to get a below-average example, they can pay a below-average price. Thank you for the revelation, "isellpower", really. Because honestly, nobody here knew that...we all thought that all CLS55s were priced right at the average, regardless of any of the factors which go into pricing a vehicle. This is because we are all stupid.
This blather is basically nothing but nonsense, either ignorant of or deliberately ignoring the facts that condition, options, mileage, number of owners, modifications, and accident history affect a vehicle's value, that auction prices do NOT equal retail prices and are NOT a good yardstick for value determination without knowing the condition of a vehicle being auctioned, and that all vehicles from a particular year will NOT be a single datapoint, but rather a scatter plot (look it up), from which one can determine useful data like a mean, standard deviation (look them up), etc., as I did this weekend on each and every CLS55 AMG on both Autotrader and Cars.com.
And if you want to argue about it, please: repost in the other thread and we'll continue when I get home tonight, because I've got data that shows just how totally ignorant and full of it you are.
Now then, wrt Aston Martin pricing: a quick search on your beloved Autotrader shows that you can find 2005 V12 Vanquish models right now between $139 and $178K. But it's more meaningful statistically to look at the average, which is $162K. That's a hit of pert near $100K in three years, and these cars have 15K miles or less. And most of them are 10K or less.
That's a hit of 38% in three years. Now, how do you think that stacks up to the average asking price of all 2005 CLS55 AMGs with under 15K miles, percentage wise?
Here's a hint: it's worse, and I've got the data to prove it.
Compare their prices to a 2005 Ferrari F430, an example of an exotic that holds its value like an exotic. And that's the thing: a Vanquish is an exotic, not a luxury sedan. But it doesn't hold its value like one.
Which you would know if you actually spent time researching depreciation and price points in places other than Fleabay. And again: if you want to debate this further, by all means, re-engage in the other thread, and I'll be happy to share actual data to refute the bluster of your blather.
Last edited by Improviz; Nov 17, 2008 at 04:19 PM.

For those who are unfamiliar with this troll: basically all he's done (11 or so out of 14 total posts) since joining here is troll the E and CLS forums telling any prospective purchasers/sellers that the prices they're asking/thinking of paying are too high, and that one could find a nice example on Ebay for far less...uh, yeah, if one wants to get a below-average example, they can pay a below-average price. Thank you for the revelation, "isellpower", really. Because honestly, nobody here knew that...we all thought that all CLS55s were priced right at the average, regardless of any of the factors which go into pricing a vehicle. This is because we are all stupid.
This blather is basically nothing but nonsense, either ignorant of or deliberately ignoring the facts that condition, options, mileage, number of owners, modifications, and accident history affect a vehicle's value, that auction prices do NOT equal wholesale and are NOT a good yardstick without knowing the condition of a vehicle, and that all vehicles from a particular year will NOT be a single datapoint, but rather a scatter plot (look it up), from which one can determine useful data like a mean, standard deviation (look them up), etc., as I did this weekend on each and every CLS55 AMG on both Autotrader and Cars.com.
And if you want to argue about it, please: repost in the other thread and we'll continue when I get home tonight, because I've got data that shows just how totally ignorant and full of it you are.
Now then, wrt Aston Martin pricing: a quick search on your beloved Autotrader shows that you can find 2005 V12 Vanquish models right now between $139 and $160K. But it's more meaningful statistically to look at the average, which is $162K. That's a hit of pert near $100K in three years, and these cars have 15K miles or less. And most of them are 10K or less.
That's a hit of 38% in three years. Now, how do you think that stacks up to the average asking price of all 2005 CLS55 AMGs with under 15K miles, percentage wise?
Here's a hint: it's worse, and I've got the data to prove it.
Compare their prices to a 2005 Ferrari F430, an example of an exotic that holds its value like an exotic. And that's the thing: a Vanquish is an exotic, not a luxury sedan. But it doesn't hold its value like one.
Which you would know if you actually spent time researching depreciation and price points in places other than Fleabay. And again: if you want to debate this further, by all means, re-engage in the other thread, and I'll be happy to share actual data to refute the bluster of your blather.
I think his balloon has been popped.
But they are nothing more than status cars. Nothing more than a look. There are many nice/comfortable cars that you can get for the same price that will blow the pretty doors right off an AM. If you're looking for speed/performance, this isnt your car.
Granted, Aston's (which are based on a pretty old platform by this point) are not the tweaked performance beasts that modern day Porsches, Lamborghini's, or Ferrari's are. And even some of those cars are being handed their lunch by relatively cheap Nissan's and Corvette's, which fill the super-bargain-performance segment. But I thought that's the whole point, they don't try to be those things, they're more of a long-distance driving GT car. It'd be better to compare them to a Ferrari 612, or a Bentley Continental GT. I think then the looks, pricing, performance as a whole make a bit more sense.



Looks 10
Build quality, performance and interior were just OK. It seemed to make a lot of noise (nice noise albeit) but not a lot of thrust.
I really did not enjoy driving it. I was sort of having to wrestle with it. Not nimble.
Although the Bentley did not compare on the looks scale nor the exaust note, the build, performance, interior and drivability won out.
"isellpower You gotta laugh at any AMG owner poking fun at the resale value of the AM's."
What the F !
Unfortunately most current performance cars from the UK don't really hold their value very well and AM's are one of them. IMHO they are beautifully styled and nicely finished but the market just doesn't want them as much and thus the large depreciation rates. I am sure a good used vehicle is great value but I wouldn't buy a new one unless money was just as big a toy. It would be interesting to study the depreciation as a % of sale value but there are too many variables to be accurate.
Improviz ....... couldn't have said it better, especially with the statistics tidbits thrown in. Clearly he is using an inferential statistical model with a data set of 1. He probably thinks he is at the center of his own normal distribution .... but in reality has severely deviated from the mean.
Now as far as owning an Aston I don't think I would ever buy one because of their price, lack of reliability, maintenance costs($750 oil change for the DB9) and many other things. I personally know of two people that bought DB9's and sold them very quickly.........one with 197miles on the odod and the other with about 2400 miles. They are different cars for different people.
Now as far as owning an Aston I don't think I would ever buy one because of their price, lack of reliability, maintenance costs($750 oil change for the DB9) and many other things. I personally know of two people that bought DB9's and sold them very quickly.........one with 197miles on the odod and the other with about 2400 miles. They are different cars for different people.




