We are degrading our cars at these prices!!!
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Cats exotic have some of the best pricing Lambo on the market. and I have yet to see a Murci for less than $120k. I have seen alot of Gallardo under 100k.. anyhow.. if anyone can find a Murci less than 100k. let me know... I am ready to buy...
12-04-2008, 09:37 PM
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Murcielago for 90k? That's a bit ridiculous. A 2002 Murcielago with carfax damage was easily sold for mid/upper 120k's by Cats Exotics.
The only sub 100k Murcielago's for sale are the ones with branded titles.
If you can get a clean title Murcielago for 90k, more power to you. Seems highly suspect though.
The only sub 100k Murcielago's for sale are the ones with branded titles.
If you can get a clean title Murcielago for 90k, more power to you. Seems highly suspect though.
And no reserve??? Who the hell would sell any car like this with no reserve?? So if someone bid $100 and there were no other bidders he'd sell it, as he is legally bound to do via his contract w/Ebay? Nothing suspicious about that!!
This guy is a flake....I googled him and found that he seems to get his rocks off going to car forums and jumping in on any thread where anyone is selling/buying a car, telling them they're asking/paying too much, based upon the lowest-priced flotsam and jetsam he can find.
It's just flat-out bizarre.....seems to enjoy peeing on others' proverbial birthday cakes.
12-05-2008, 09:34 AM
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MURC yes at $95k ...8400 miles local seller-Miami
I am buying this car saturday.......the seller insisted he made a mistake on the price he originally told me..... yeah right....carfax is shot but title is fine......even if a Murc had a title that was puked on and **** on at prices that low ....who cares.....it is still the best looking car for the money.....yeah you might go through a little hassle to resell.... but why would you resell it??
And the seller is not desperate for money ... this is what he was offered by Prestige Imports as a trade in....therefore he decided to buy his new car a Bentley Speed on the street and just sell the Murc privately so the dealer wont get the profit....how did I find it...he listed it in the local newspaper...his original list price was $85k.... but who is arguing
I met a guy the other day who picked up a Bentley Gt 2005 with 21k miles for $55k.....not a damn thing wrong with the car...and black on black...the seller was selling a few cars for the winter to go back to London....he supposedly buys his cars in the summer and sells them in winter before he leaves......nice life
And the seller is not desperate for money ... this is what he was offered by Prestige Imports as a trade in....therefore he decided to buy his new car a Bentley Speed on the street and just sell the Murc privately so the dealer wont get the profit....how did I find it...he listed it in the local newspaper...his original list price was $85k.... but who is arguing
I met a guy the other day who picked up a Bentley Gt 2005 with 21k miles for $55k.....not a damn thing wrong with the car...and black on black...the seller was selling a few cars for the winter to go back to London....he supposedly buys his cars in the summer and sells them in winter before he leaves......nice life
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12-05-2008, 07:17 PM
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I met a guy the other day who picked up a Bentley Gt 2005 with 21k miles for $55k.....not a damn thing wrong with the car...and black on black...the seller was selling a few cars for the winter to go back to London....he supposedly buys his cars in the summer and sells them in winter before he leaves......nice life
I met a guy the other day who picked up a Bentley Gt 2005 with 21k miles for $55k.....not a damn thing wrong with the car...and black on black...the seller was selling a few cars for the winter to go back to London....he supposedly buys his cars in the summer and sells them in winter before he leaves......nice life
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INTERESTING FACT... manheim states that in November 2009 our cars will be worth GUESS WHAT??? $9000!!!!!!!!!!!!! this will never happen.... but it does state that on the bottom of the MMR on the CLS55....
Yes you see this right... Manheim's computer bases on current depreciation.... ours car should be going through auction for $9k by NOV. 2009
Yes you see this right... Manheim's computer bases on current depreciation.... ours car should be going through auction for $9k by NOV. 2009
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As for the Murcielago, lowest-priced model on cars.com is an '03 at $149.9K, five more are in the $150's, and then it jumps to $165K and goes up from there. On autotrader, lowest-priced one is the same one that's on cars.com.
Outliers do not constitute the norm.
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12-06-2008, 12:34 PM
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MURCI was found in newspaper not autotrader...
the Bentley as I stated was bought by a person who found the car for sale by word of mouth....autotrader is a national grid of cars commonly advertised.... you will rarely find any kind of good deal there....standard dealer pricing and a once in a while private who is willing to let there car go for less then trade in value... most private sellers list there cars according to autotrader average price.... not good... this is why their cars stay not sold for a long time.....
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the Bentley as I stated was bought by a person who found the car for sale by word of mouth....autotrader is a national grid of cars commonly advertised.... you will rarely find any kind of good deal there....standard dealer pricing and a once in a while private who is willing to let there car go for less then trade in value... most private sellers list there cars according to autotrader average price.... not good... this is why their cars stay not sold for a long time.....
As to Autotrader, the prices do vary. When I priced all of the CLS55s for sale on Autotrader nationwide a month ago, they ranged from two high-mileage in the $38-39k range up into the $60's, w/average price at $54K, standard deviation $6K.
So there is plenty of variance there.
12-06-2008, 02:54 PM
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Well, you've got two guys willing to pay you $2,000 each if you can find them an '05 Bentley GT for $55K w/21K miles, so there you go....have at it. Be sure to let us know when you find one.
As to Autotrader, the prices do vary. When I priced all of the CLS55s for sale on Autotrader nationwide a month ago, they ranged from two high-mileage in the $38-39k range up into the $60's, w/average price at $54K, standard deviation $6K.
So there is plenty of variance there.
As to Autotrader, the prices do vary. When I priced all of the CLS55s for sale on Autotrader nationwide a month ago, they ranged from two high-mileage in the $38-39k range up into the $60's, w/average price at $54K, standard deviation $6K.
So there is plenty of variance there.
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If I find a Bentley for $55k with 21k miles ... I will buy and keep it...I dont need any finders fee....very appreciated.... that deal was made by a friend who found the car ....they will be at this price within a year anyway so be patient.... there are close to a 1000 for sale nationally and not moving too well....there is a 2005 black on tan with 34k miles at a auction the dealer is trying get $78k ...and the highest offer was $63k... so you can see they hard to move now.........
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If I find a Bentley for $55k with 21k miles ... I will buy and keep it...I dont need any finders fee....very appreciated.... that deal was made by a friend who found the car ....they will be at this price within a year anyway so be patient.... there are close to a 1000 for sale nationally and not moving too well....there is a 2005 black on tan with 34k miles at a auction the dealer is trying get $78k ...and the highest offer was $63k... so you can see they hard to move now.........
12-07-2008, 04:33 PM
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I believe your post, dont get me wrong. I know of a few private party sales where I could have easily made $10k if I knew about them in advance. Some people with more $ than time will simply sell a car privately and not worry about the extra profit and extra hassle if they sold it through other means. They don't even want to bother with consignment. For them a few extra grand is not worth a week or two of hassles since they make much more than that in their regular jobs.
12-07-2008, 07:50 PM
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Meaning, someone that has to sell it, or is tired of it, and just needs to get rid of it may sell at a ridiculous price. There have been plenty of high end cars going for nutball prices as of late. So like I said, it is possible.
12-07-2008, 08:49 PM
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I am buying this car saturday.......the seller insisted he made a mistake on the price he originally told me..... yeah right....carfax is shot but title is fine......even if a Murc had a title that was puked on and **** on at prices that low ....who cares.....it is still the best looking car for the money.....yeah you might go through a little hassle to resell.... but why would you resell it??
And the seller is not desperate for money ... this is what he was offered by Prestige Imports as a trade in....therefore he decided to buy his new car a Bentley Speed on the street and just sell the Murc privately so the dealer wont get the profit....how did I find it...he listed it in the local newspaper...his original list price was $85k.... but who is arguing
I met a guy the other day who picked up a Bentley Gt 2005 with 21k miles for $55k.....not a damn thing wrong with the car...and black on black...the seller was selling a few cars for the winter to go back to London....he supposedly buys his cars in the summer and sells them in winter before he leaves......nice life
And the seller is not desperate for money ... this is what he was offered by Prestige Imports as a trade in....therefore he decided to buy his new car a Bentley Speed on the street and just sell the Murc privately so the dealer wont get the profit....how did I find it...he listed it in the local newspaper...his original list price was $85k.... but who is arguing
I met a guy the other day who picked up a Bentley Gt 2005 with 21k miles for $55k.....not a damn thing wrong with the car...and black on black...the seller was selling a few cars for the winter to go back to London....he supposedly buys his cars in the summer and sells them in winter before he leaves......nice life
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I am buying this car saturday.......the seller insisted he made a mistake on the price he originally told me..... yeah right....carfax is shot but title is fine......even if a Murc had a title that was puked on and **** on at prices that low ....who cares.....it is still the best looking car for the money.....yeah you might go through a little hassle to resell.... but why would you resell it??
And the seller is not desperate for money ... this is what he was offered by Prestige Imports as a trade in....therefore he decided to buy his new car a Bentley Speed on the street and just sell the Murc privately so the dealer wont get the profit....how did I find it...he listed it in the local newspaper...his original list price was $85k.... but who is arguing
I met a guy the other day who picked up a Bentley Gt 2005 with 21k miles for $55k.....not a damn thing wrong with the car...and black on black...the seller was selling a few cars for the winter to go back to London....he supposedly buys his cars in the summer and sells them in winter before he leaves......nice life
And the seller is not desperate for money ... this is what he was offered by Prestige Imports as a trade in....therefore he decided to buy his new car a Bentley Speed on the street and just sell the Murc privately so the dealer wont get the profit....how did I find it...he listed it in the local newspaper...his original list price was $85k.... but who is arguing
I met a guy the other day who picked up a Bentley Gt 2005 with 21k miles for $55k.....not a damn thing wrong with the car...and black on black...the seller was selling a few cars for the winter to go back to London....he supposedly buys his cars in the summer and sells them in winter before he leaves......nice life
That Murci would'nt happen to be yellow with a bull sticker on the side would it?
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I really hope I can own an SL55 or SL600 without too much trouble.
I completely agree that MB needs to get it together.
All of the American car companies made crap cars throughout the 80's and 90's, expecting people to remain loyal to American brands. Now in 2008, compared to similarly priced cars, the US auto companies are actually putting better interiors, more reliable parts, etc, then ever before. But it's too late for many customers as they have already switched to Japanese cars
I'll definitely make sure I have a good warranty.
I agree, a warranty on a Lexus is a WASTE of money. IF, by that small chance something does break, that one thing probably won't cover the cost of warranty.
I'm currently in a 99 Lexus LS400 bought with 110k miles, now with 145k miles and never needing a single repair, just oil changes and recently new tires.
ALSO, 3 years after buying it, 99 Lexus LS400's are STILL going for the SAME price as when I originally purchased mine. So the only depreciation I will have to deal with is from mileage added to car; time and age appears to have no effect
Although I'm sure it won't be as trouble free as my Lexus experience, I hope it'll be worth it. I figure if I avoid the 03 year SL(I've heard this is one of the most unreliable cars out there), shoot for at least 04-05, maybe 06.
Yes it's nice that Benz offers 500, 600hp+ cars where you don't have that option with Lexus and other luxury brands, but many of these problems are happening on things other than the engine... happening on mercedes cars with standard V6's, V8's, which do not have any particular advantage over the competition.
One more thing that I really don't like about some new Mercedes... you can buy a brand new $55k Mercedes Benz, WITHOUT HID's! This is crazy. Any car over 40-45k new should include HID standard, not an option.
I completely agree that MB needs to get it together.
All of the American car companies made crap cars throughout the 80's and 90's, expecting people to remain loyal to American brands. Now in 2008, compared to similarly priced cars, the US auto companies are actually putting better interiors, more reliable parts, etc, then ever before. But it's too late for many customers as they have already switched to Japanese cars
I'll definitely make sure I have a good warranty.
I agree, a warranty on a Lexus is a WASTE of money. IF, by that small chance something does break, that one thing probably won't cover the cost of warranty.
I'm currently in a 99 Lexus LS400 bought with 110k miles, now with 145k miles and never needing a single repair, just oil changes and recently new tires.
ALSO, 3 years after buying it, 99 Lexus LS400's are STILL going for the SAME price as when I originally purchased mine. So the only depreciation I will have to deal with is from mileage added to car; time and age appears to have no effect
Although I'm sure it won't be as trouble free as my Lexus experience, I hope it'll be worth it. I figure if I avoid the 03 year SL(I've heard this is one of the most unreliable cars out there), shoot for at least 04-05, maybe 06.
Yes it's nice that Benz offers 500, 600hp+ cars where you don't have that option with Lexus and other luxury brands, but many of these problems are happening on things other than the engine... happening on mercedes cars with standard V6's, V8's, which do not have any particular advantage over the competition.
One more thing that I really don't like about some new Mercedes... you can buy a brand new $55k Mercedes Benz, WITHOUT HID's! This is crazy. Any car over 40-45k new should include HID standard, not an option.
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I just sold my car on ebay for $47,200.... this is a shame...I dont need the money I just have to many cars and this car has to go....I SOLD it too cheap.....and I regret it..... because it took 3 months to find it ..in the first place...
I put about an hour a day on ebay and an hour a day into manheim.....
as a hobby .....so I know the car market as well as I know my way around some nice wet TRIM.....
They only built 1468 CLS55'S ....(they built more GT-R's and lambo Murcs then our cars)...Now ONLY half of those 1468 cars were loaded the way "MOST" intelligent buyers would want their car... keyless go and comfort package a must.......now the realistic number is about 700 and change left...now take away the "UGLY" ones.... whites with tan interior, granite grey with tan interior... and all the grey interior cars....and all the ones with the Burl walnut inlay (not that I don't like the wood....JUST NOT IN THE CLS) .....and you have probably ONLY about a few hundered cars left... not many at all...making these cars rare as hell to find "the way most people would desire them" ....
INTERESTING FACT... manheim states that in November 2009 our cars will be worth GUESS WHAT??? $9000!!!!!!!!!!!!! this will never happen.... but it does state that on the bottom of the MMR on the CLS55....
Yes you see this right... Manheim's computer bases on current depreciation.... ours car should be going through auction for $9k by NOV. 2009
Now a camparison... well a Lexus GS350 2007 will be worth about $16K by November 2009....wow.....they need a new computer program...WOW
Remember folks we our seeing some of these cars sell for low to mid $40's? yes you might find a few with those options in the mix that we would like... personally i would spend $10k more just to have keyless and the comfort package... why? because a used 2006 Lexus GS300 we can pick up for $21k HAS THESE OPTIONS STANDARD!!!!.....it is an insult not to have those options on my car... so the extra coin for the right car in crucial.....
Great example of why people do not buy certain cars and why they SHOULD be .....
I just met a guy the other day while I was getting a sub at the local sub shop... I drove my CLS there.... the guy just bought brand new 2009 M45s....nice car...they will build about 50k of these cars...he paid cash....yes cash...his walk out price was $53k for this car.....I said as he was admiring my car ....hey why didnt you buy a used Mercedes? His answer "well I wanted something new and a car like yours is much more then I could spend"
I said I have my car up for sale for $50k and the warranty is actually better then your new car... he said " no way $50k?" I would of paid some more to get a car like yours ..it is no comparison to my car....... he was in shock.... he had no idea that a CLS55 was that cheap....now keep in mind he just paid $50k for a nissan that will blend in the crowd with any kind of wheels and any kind of paint job....in other words a yuppie mobile all the way......He said "I thought your car was new as well and like a hundred grand" I said "no it has 42k miles it is a 2006 and is perfect in and out....like a new car....Mercedes builds their cars differently and they dont get worn out like most cars do" he said "if I had known any of this I would much rather have your car ....atleast I would know when I am driving it people would notice and think I am driving a expensive car when I spent a lot less... and the CLS is the best looking sedan anybody can own anyway more so with those kickass wheels..
Point to this story.... Well our cars should not be given away for less then what a new G37 coupe sells for a for what a new G35 or M45 costs....or say the new Hyundai Genesis ( great new car bargain) but not compared to a used Benz....this is insane... even with 40k or 50k miles on your Benz... this is irrelevent....if the car is clean the car is simply a better looking and better built car then any yuppie mobile out there.... the envy of a guy who looks at our cars who is driving a Inifiniti or Lexus is enough to say " yeah I spent a little more on my used Benz but damn I am driving a hand built super sedan not a run of the mill common car"
WE ARE SELLING OUR CARS TOO CHEAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Screw the economy..... new INFINITIS AND LOADED HONDA ACCORDS AS WELL AS SRT-8'S AND ACURA TL'S are being sold by the hundreds daily....and our cars should be compared to the price of one of these cars???? People are now waiting in line to get the new Genesis and the new CTS is in the low 50's loaded as well... they are still selling well... **** THAT
This is like comparing a Vette to a Ferrari F430.... not EVEN in the same ball park !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but would you sell your ferrari for the price of a vette????????? I may of ****ed up and did....
I put about an hour a day on ebay and an hour a day into manheim.....
as a hobby .....so I know the car market as well as I know my way around some nice wet TRIM.....
They only built 1468 CLS55'S ....(they built more GT-R's and lambo Murcs then our cars)...Now ONLY half of those 1468 cars were loaded the way "MOST" intelligent buyers would want their car... keyless go and comfort package a must.......now the realistic number is about 700 and change left...now take away the "UGLY" ones.... whites with tan interior, granite grey with tan interior... and all the grey interior cars....and all the ones with the Burl walnut inlay (not that I don't like the wood....JUST NOT IN THE CLS) .....and you have probably ONLY about a few hundered cars left... not many at all...making these cars rare as hell to find "the way most people would desire them" ....
INTERESTING FACT... manheim states that in November 2009 our cars will be worth GUESS WHAT??? $9000!!!!!!!!!!!!! this will never happen.... but it does state that on the bottom of the MMR on the CLS55....
Yes you see this right... Manheim's computer bases on current depreciation.... ours car should be going through auction for $9k by NOV. 2009
Now a camparison... well a Lexus GS350 2007 will be worth about $16K by November 2009....wow.....they need a new computer program...WOW
Remember folks we our seeing some of these cars sell for low to mid $40's? yes you might find a few with those options in the mix that we would like... personally i would spend $10k more just to have keyless and the comfort package... why? because a used 2006 Lexus GS300 we can pick up for $21k HAS THESE OPTIONS STANDARD!!!!.....it is an insult not to have those options on my car... so the extra coin for the right car in crucial.....
Great example of why people do not buy certain cars and why they SHOULD be .....
I just met a guy the other day while I was getting a sub at the local sub shop... I drove my CLS there.... the guy just bought brand new 2009 M45s....nice car...they will build about 50k of these cars...he paid cash....yes cash...his walk out price was $53k for this car.....I said as he was admiring my car ....hey why didnt you buy a used Mercedes? His answer "well I wanted something new and a car like yours is much more then I could spend"
I said I have my car up for sale for $50k and the warranty is actually better then your new car... he said " no way $50k?" I would of paid some more to get a car like yours ..it is no comparison to my car....... he was in shock.... he had no idea that a CLS55 was that cheap....now keep in mind he just paid $50k for a nissan that will blend in the crowd with any kind of wheels and any kind of paint job....in other words a yuppie mobile all the way......He said "I thought your car was new as well and like a hundred grand" I said "no it has 42k miles it is a 2006 and is perfect in and out....like a new car....Mercedes builds their cars differently and they dont get worn out like most cars do" he said "if I had known any of this I would much rather have your car ....atleast I would know when I am driving it people would notice and think I am driving a expensive car when I spent a lot less... and the CLS is the best looking sedan anybody can own anyway more so with those kickass wheels..
Point to this story.... Well our cars should not be given away for less then what a new G37 coupe sells for a for what a new G35 or M45 costs....or say the new Hyundai Genesis ( great new car bargain) but not compared to a used Benz....this is insane... even with 40k or 50k miles on your Benz... this is irrelevent....if the car is clean the car is simply a better looking and better built car then any yuppie mobile out there.... the envy of a guy who looks at our cars who is driving a Inifiniti or Lexus is enough to say " yeah I spent a little more on my used Benz but damn I am driving a hand built super sedan not a run of the mill common car"
WE ARE SELLING OUR CARS TOO CHEAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Screw the economy..... new INFINITIS AND LOADED HONDA ACCORDS AS WELL AS SRT-8'S AND ACURA TL'S are being sold by the hundreds daily....and our cars should be compared to the price of one of these cars???? People are now waiting in line to get the new Genesis and the new CTS is in the low 50's loaded as well... they are still selling well... **** THAT
This is like comparing a Vette to a Ferrari F430.... not EVEN in the same ball park !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but would you sell your ferrari for the price of a vette????????? I may of ****ed up and did....
01-08-2009, 04:01 PM
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I almost always preface my Manheim MMR prices with statements including the prices do not reflect auction closing fees, reconditioning costs, transportation costs, etc.
On the flip side, there are many dealers that take in cars as trade-in and their cost is way below auction wholesale.
But there will always be people that expect you to sell them a car for a loss. I doubt those people are serious buyers anyways.
I almost always preface my Manheim MMR prices with statements including the prices do not reflect auction closing fees, reconditioning costs, transportation costs, etc.
On the flip side, there are many dealers that take in cars as trade-in and their cost is way below auction wholesale.
But there will always be people that expect you to sell them a car for a loss. I doubt those people are serious buyers anyways.
