JustPete

Why ?

I'm curious ... which do you think is more aerodynamic. And how much of a weight variance would it take to overcome it?

I know Jeremy Clarkson proved a CLS55 could CREAM an e55 on the track.

Depending on what report you read, they're almost the same weight to about 250'lbs apart.

IMO the driver is far more important than what Sunday it is.

The CLS according to AMG is 40% stiffer of a chasis and obviously more aerodynamic. Wind resistance can create 100's of pounds of force.

So tell me ... what sunday is that? Where's the data to back this up?

E55AMGGG04

LOL I love these forums. Hey don't worry about it I'm going to try and get a CLS55 to race me and I think I know one that might. If we are talking about rolls then driver doesnt come up into play, downshift and let her rip. From 0 on the other hand it's a toss up because it depends on who gets off the line better.

JustPete

Sure it does. Reaction time, control, nerve ...

When I floor my CLS at 5mph it smokes spins the wheels for 100ft. A driver not prepared to control that, will not get as good a time.

Races between cars like these so closely matched comes down to split second reactions.

The better drive wins in either car.

JustPete

63's ... but the CLS driver has a full 2 car lengths lead at the pass shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PT_vtaXghE

Aerodynamics perhaps ? Drivers? Reaction time? So many variables.

That CLS (vs the 335) driver was CRAP.

E55AMGGG04

I agree drivers matters from lower speeds like 0-5-10mph but on a roll believe me driver has nothing to do with it. If your doing 40mph and your on the right gear, at the 3rd beep, you go and the faster car will win.

Thericker

Jeez bro, you're wrapped up into your unbiased blinded love for your CLS to the point of stooping to quote J Clarkson & who will win in the twisties is so sad, you sound like the old BMW guys in every arguement vs M5-M6 vs E55 1/4 mile "Wait until the twities" lol (everyone that knows the integral differences bet CLS55 & E55 realizes the CLS55 had chasis/steering upgrades & added weight) Dragtimes is loaded w/plethora of factual 1/4 mile DATA you seek...

Here I'll give ya a lil' push in the right direction...The best your 030 perf package ran w/board member Siswati when STOCK was...
Are you going to say he can't drive either?

BlackBeast'06

Trust me the driver is the key to it all. You can have a car that is faster in on paper and get whipped by a lesser car all because the driver of the faster car doesn't know how to shift, how to accelerate, etc. On our cars (CLS 55) even from a roll if you aren't in the right gear you can get your a$$ handed to you by one of those modded Evo's.

JustPete

And that's compared to what?

There's no unbiased blind love here Bro.

You seem to have some bias against the CLS.

There's all kinds of factors that can change your any given Sunday crap.

Keep that in mind when you claim bias by someone.

As for Clarkson ... not quoting him so much as what "The Stig" was able to do with a CLS55 on Nurburgring. Time comparisons of many different cars were there to see.

Here's a few surrounding the CLS55 AMG

Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 1.25.7
Lotus Evora 1.25.7
Lamborghini Gallardo 1.25.8
BMW Z4 M 1.26.0
Porsche Cayman 1.26.2
Porsche 911 Carrera 2S 1.26.2
Brabus Biturbo Roadster 1.26.2
Lotus Exige 1.26.4
Chevrolet Corvette 1.26.8
Ferrari 575 GTC 1.26.8
Mercedes CLS 55 AMG 1.26.9
Aston Martin Vanquish S 1.27.1
Aston Martin DB9 1.27.1
Telsa Roadster 1.27.2
Porsche 911 GT3 1.27.2
TVR 350C 1.27.5
BMW M3 CSL 1.28.0
Roush Mustang 1.28.0

BEST Lap I've seen from an E55 at Nurburgring was in the 1.30's.


As for Siswati ... I have no clue who he is or whether or not he can drive or not. That's not the question here. The question is whether or not that "race" was credible.

Any race I see with a CLS55 (Or any 55) that doesn't break traction for more than a split second from a dig, was no real race. IMO.

JustPete

I totally agree. Which is why I have the opinion I do right now.

I know well enough with this car now, what a proper launch should look and sound like. That *****e was a gimme.

Blackedout335i

Dude you need to tone it down a little. You are getting a little over defensive of your car.

Basically the CLS55 and a tuned 335i both run around a 12.7 at 111mph. Regardless of what the race looked like to you but in the 1/4 mile both cars are very close in times and traps.........

JustPete

No one is getting defensive on my side.

I raised the flag is all.

Hey! ... And according to theRicker ... Saswatchimacallit ran the 1/4 in 12.5 (.2 seconds faster than around 12.7)

Do you know what that looks like at the end of a 1/4 mile?

That race was poop.





... I'm just messing with it now.

Blackedout335i

Honestly I think it will be a drivers race from a dig in the 1/4 mile though, after that you will start to walk away the tuned 335i.

JustPete

I have no doubt the 335's can be made wicked fast. I only questioned the drivers ... heart, in it.

I had a buddy with an 800+hp Supra that'd kick all our asses on the same day. I have no doubt the 335 is possible of great things , up until total catastrophic failure.

In closely matched vehicles like this ... drivers are king. No doubt.

Thericker

Exactly

I love the CLS55/63 (almost bought 1 instead of SL600) just stating facts bra... W211 E55's are faster down the 1320' period, & multi-members/owners here have ran similarly modded 335i's w/different out comes than your wishful thinking How does continuing your Nurburgring/twisties crusade further prove the CLS55 is faster than E55 or J3 335i down 1320' you're grasping @ straws now this entire thread was/is about STRAIGHT line comparison

Thericker

Go do some more research, J3 335i runs bet 12.4x-12.70 @ 111-113 Trap speed on average is higher in 335i, the ET is extremely close all up to the drivers etc...

E55AMGGG04

Well to me the driver only counts when your racing from a DIG. If your going to race on a roll it is not a drivers race, if the driver starts in the wrong gear he is either an iddiot or made a mistake but the majority of the time someone who races their car should know how to drive it. Hold the gear and slam the gas down and then you wait and see who's car is in front.

2K6E55

I had both an 07 E92 coupe, it's fully tricked out with Vishnu v3, RR DP, Spearco FMIC, RDSport exhaust full exhaust, BOV, KW2 and my CLS55 is stock. The 335 is NO JOKE, handles better but the CLS still tops it. It's also depend on the driver too, but every time I smashed the gas pedal on my CLS, I get bigger smiles than my 335i.

Brisk335

Justpete as i put in the other forum ill add here: you can read the rest in the w211 forum:

Also, I took my traction off, you can hear me spin in the video that is why i lost ground in the start

I cant tell if the CLS had his traction on or off, he chirped a little, but listen to the Video you CANNOT hear any ESP intervention at all, just smooth revving in first. he slowly rolled out and got on it WOT.

From what i know, my cuzin E55 loves to be launched with ESP on, a small roll before going WOT seems to be the magic to his launch

juicee63

Wow lots of crazy comments, Love it!!

Finally some action over here.


You guys are actually all right. Every single poster has valid points.

The JB3 335 can easily beat a CLS 55 or 63, especially in a drag race. They usually are easier to launch, have incredible low end and pop out quickly.

That being said.

The JB3 335, other tuned 335's could also be defeated by a 55 or 63, the 55 and 63 trap higher than the bmw's and in most cases the race from 75-186 is the 335 falling back.

I pulled on many of them , I have run with the fastest 335 in the USA, yep we trained together, he is a dedicated and talented driver.

A cls 55 is capable in stock form of 12.20's , I have seen it and they are just as awe inspiring as the E55 albeit slightly less intimidating due to some added weight.

All the cars being discussed come down to the "driver" . In this example the 335 driver spun at launch and lost the jump, looks like the CLS driver was not in the most aggressive driving mode and shifted out of 2nd too soon and the 335 gained as the turbo's spooled


What did the E class do in the Texas Mile? LOL a CLS hit 177 , and it looks like the CLS is a better twisty car , hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS CLS FTMFW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brisk335

Good points juiceee. But its sounds to me like the CLS pretty much revved out his first gear? he barely got into third and we had to shut down. He revved out all of 2nd it seems aswell?

Also my cousin beat a 12.1 sec ET C63 AMG with his stock E55amg, the track doesnt always tell the whole story.

IngenereAMG

We have a great tune for the 335. Every time I drive one, they surprise me. Great engine... but so is the 55!

juicee63

I think that C63 is broken, or at least not running as strong as it should be.

Once again , no disrespect to you and your car , I believe your car is quite fast and could beat that CLS 55 more than a few times. But you must admit, you could also lose to that car?

Could you do this same thing to your cousins E55?

Brisk335

This was my frist time racing a 55K of any type, so im not sure if i could lose to one. No disrespect taken
Never raced him, he has been in ma car and commented in saying that its as fast as his 55, he was actually shocked in the power...

turbotom1

What a nice car the 335I is. Now I see why a lot of parents give them to their kids as graduation presents.



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E55AMGGG04

I have been in his car and it feels ridiculously fast. I did race a 335i coupe last year and it had V3 chip, downpipes, and FMIC. I was racing on a failing IC pump, my S/C was turning on and off and I know my car wasn't running how it is now with the new CM30 pump. Mthis is the only 1 I raced both with the old failing pump and new CM30 pump and he noticed himself that my car was performing alot better. Heres the vid with me and that 335i.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO4Bf...e=channel_page