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Hi,
I just purchased CLS55 2008 and went to adjust the Alignment today.
the technician couldn't have it done properly and said "Manufacturer does not specify rear adjustments on this vehicle". didn't understand what does he mean. I'm trying to understand why the rear Toe 0.77 and the Camber is -2.6. hence the previous owner replaced the Airmatic suspensions with the coilover one for all wheels. and I also noticed he put 20" rims with 245/35/R20 front and 275/35/R20.
I read that tire profile for 20" rims is should be 30 for front wheels and 25 for the rear. don't know if this still okay or unsafe.
hope someone can let me know what could be the issue causing the rear toe/camber be like that.
attached the Alignment report for reference.
thank you in advance!
@Themixr I think he is right, there is no adjustability. If you want adjustability, you need to go with aftermarket solutions. Our cars are known for inner tyre wear.
Things that will influence the behavior: bushings. Dont forget your car is 15 years old and some bushing are probably also 15 years old (subframe bushings etc). I checked my alignment report. The guy (hes a specialist btw) told me that he wasnt going to touch the back as the inner tyre wear on my car was not that bad compared to what he usually encounters.
Its in Dutch, but I think you will get it. Please note, this was after I did suspension work mainly on the front. Wheels and tyres:
@Themixr I think he is right, there is no adjustability. If you want adjustability, you need to go with aftermarket solutions. Our cars are known for inner tyre wear.
That's right Front Camber and Caster along with Rear Camber was deleted back in the 90's (new car industry's best kept secret).
All to do with cost cutting and ever increasing speed of new car assembly lines !
Now there is only front and rear Toe (directional) adjustment. Yet Camber is essential to allow to adjust tire contact angles spread load more evenly to resolve costly, premature, excessive edge tire wear.
Encountered in day to day commuting - high cambered roads with passenger side excess edge wear. Wheel squat through load carrying or lowering, fitting wide profile tires. Along with now having ongoing adjustment capability - including curb knock damage !
With K-MAC ALIGN you can now FIX IT RIGHT THE 1ST TIME. No more the frustration going from one dealer or align shop to the next or resorting to constantly changing tire brands.
(C219 incl. C55, 63 AMG):
FRONT #502216-1i CAMBER (ONLY) $345 (Both Sides)
Less then cost of 1 hi-performance tire.
FRONT #502216K CAMBER & CASTER $480 (Both Sides)
Replacing all '4' front highest wearing bushings at same time. Caster bushes are Mono ball / 2 Axis replacing the OEM soft rubber and air voided bushings. Resulting in significant improvement to brake and steering response.
thank you.. I appreciate your replies.
I did some search before you reply, and found products from the camber king. I got the rear Toe links for toe, and the upper arms for camber, gave them to the mechanic, he was able to put the toe links as they were easy, but the issue is when he mounted the camber arms, they were touching the springs! the car still there and don't know what to do. maybe will ended up removing them again and put the original arms so I can drive until I see what to do.
this makes me loses twice, paying him for mounting them, and paying him again for putting the original arms, plus the time wasted.. have anyone tried these arms on coilover suspension and worked?
thank you.. I appreciate your replies.
I did some search before you reply, and found products from the camber king. I got the rear Toe links for toe, and the upper arms for camber, gave them to the mechanic, he was able to put the toe links as they were easy, but the issue is when he mounted the camber arms, they were touching the springs! the car still there and don't know what to do. maybe will ended up removing them again and put the original arms so I can drive until I see what to do.
this makes me loses twice, paying him for mounting them, and paying him again for putting the original arms, plus the time wasted.. have anyone tried these arms on coilover suspension and worked?
Welcome to the forum. As ou may know, the CLS (C219) is based on the E Class (W211) platform. There were lots more W211 E55 manufactured so more owners to participate in discussions such as this one. Feel free to look through the 211 forum and post your questions there. You will get much, much more activity and answers there. Visit: https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg-81/
REAR UPPER CAMBER ARMS (& EXTRA TOE) ADJUSTER KITS
Our previous background info front & rear kits for C219 we did not include above kits !!
BUT YES WE DO ALSO MANUFACTURE (2 P/N’s for C219).
Airmatic Suspension #502526-1M incl. AMG
Coil Spring Suspension #502526-2M
$595 for pair which also with K-MAC includes the “extra” Toe adjustment (necessary once rear Camber adjustment fitted).
See below Spoiler re instruction sheet. We have the experience of manufacturing alignment adjuster kits longer then any other brand and these particular K-MAC arms are proven to fit right the 1st. time (and long term maintenance free).
REASON WE DID NOT INCLUDE - Was because upper arms more time consuming to install and also when wanting to resolve “premature inner edge tire wear” unlike our lower arm adjuster kits - upper arms reduce important clearance top of tire to outer fender !
Spoiler
AUDI to VOLVO - K-MAC Experience Of Resolving OEM Suspension Shortcomings Since 1964!
thank you.. I appreciate your replies.
I did some search before you reply, and found products from the camber king. I got the rear Toe links for toe, and the upper arms for camber, gave them to the mechanic, he was able to put the toe links as they were easy, but the issue is when he mounted the camber arms, they were touching the springs! the car still there and don't know what to do. maybe will ended up removing them again and put the original arms so I can drive until I see what to do.
this makes me loses twice, paying him for mounting them, and paying him again for putting the original arms, plus the time wasted.. have anyone tried these arms on coilover suspension and worked?
I have this exact issue with the same product. I'll post pictures once I have them replaced with K-Mac.
Hi all, for the rear camber arms, I just returned them and bought the one for Airmatic suspensions and did worked on my coilover.
took the car back for Alignment and the rear is very good. but the issue is that the front driver side is -2 camber, don't know why although the right side is good without touching it, -1.5.
I put the offset bolt on the driver side, on the lower control arm.. didn't help much, just brought it to -1.85 which is still bad.
don't know what to do next.. I just want to correct the front driver side camber.
well I got some updates..
I used Camber king on the rear (Toe bars and camber arms).
done the alignment and drove for 2 months. recently got Kmac for the front, installed them and went yesterday to do do the alignment for the front only, assuming the rear is okay already!
the report surprised both of me and the technician! the rear alignment we did 2 months ago destroyed.
disappointed and don't know if these adjustments are really working or not! just less than 100 miles on them and the alignment destroyed!
now will test Kmac for the front and see the results. hope not to be frustrated as the camber king kit.
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