from a press announcement for the chicago auto show not meant for the public to see (i hear)

A twin-turbocharged 12-cylinder version of the luxury automaker's new CLS sedan/coupe hybrid is also expected to be produced.

havent seen this before here.

 

If the v12 won't fit in the E then how will it fit in the CLS?

 

..........there will be a CLS65. I know because I have a deposit for one.

Ted

 

My dealer will take a deposit on anything as well...... and does. It doesn't mean that a CLS65 is in the cards.

Have you looked in the engine bay of the E55 and an SL65. For the amount of work that it will take to stuff the V12 into the E class they could develop a whole new model.

Seriously, take a look. It would be fun to see from Brabus how many hours it took them to build the E V12 show car that they built.

I also know anything can be done but why?

Just my .02

 

if AMG went through all the trouble fitting the CLK front to C55 in order to accomadate the V8. i don't see why it isn't possible for AMG to fit a V16 quad turbo engine into CLS.

having said that, i really don't see what's the big deal of v12 biturbo on a family sedan that's already planty fast as it is. making Pamela Anderson's breasts even bigger just doesn't make her more attractive.

 

My dealer will take a deposit on anything as well...... and does. It doesn't mean that a CLS65 is in the cards.


.........I understand your skepticism, but I tried to place an order for an A-class and the dealer did not even know what I was talking about, so at least this particular dealer does not take deposits for things that are not in the pipeline. I was approached by the dealer regarding the CLS65. It was not enquiry I initiated.

Ted

 

Future: The C230K will be replaced by a new B-class, which is based on the company's diminutive European A-class platform. Also expect a redesigned, bigger S-class sedan. Next year, the Alabama plant cranks up for the second-generation M-class, the next G-class, and an all-new R-class range of SUVs coming from the same platform. AMG is also preparing its version of the CLS500?the CLS65?which will share its 604-hp V-12 with the CL65 and SL65 and carry a six-figure price.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=8598

But there?s more news from AMG ? they will be fitting the 600 horsepower twin-turbo V12 to the CLS body to create the CLS65 AMG. The lives of the new M5 and upcoming RS6, and S-Type R are about going to become quite difficult?

http://www.carbc.com/Car-News-853.html

And, just in case the Porsche GT Coupe ends up with an advantage, the next episode of the mad Merc CLS saga will go down late in 2007 with ? believe it or not ? a new 465kW six-litre version of AMG?s biturbo V12 CLS65 AMG.


http://motoring.iafrica.com/exclusives/327774.htm

Pero en AMG ya están preparando la respuesta: un CLS65 AMG equipado con motor V8 de 6,3 litros y más de 500 caballos, según la revista Autoweek. También se trabaja en un CL65 y un SL65, ambos con mecánicas V12 biturbo, que rebasarán la barrera de los 600 caballos y también, con cierta holgura, la de los 300 km/h.

http://www.el-mundo.es/motor/2004/340/1087311900.html

The basic oil-burner will be a tuned 204bhp 3.2-litre unit from that E320 CDI. But this big news will be that all-new 4.0-litre V8 diesel in a CLS400 CDI. This 252bhp engine will also go on to gift that E-Class and S-Class. Performance fans will be offered this CLS55 AMG in 2006, and a 6.3-litre V12, with up to 600bhp, is being prepared for a CLS65 AMG.
The basic oil-burner will be a tuned 204bhp 3.2-litre unit from that E320 CDI. But this big news will be that all-new 4.0-litre V8 diesel in a CLS400 CDI. This 252bhp engine will also go on to gift that E-Class and S-Class. Performance fans will be offered this CLS55 AMG in 2006, and a 6.3-litre V12, with up to 600bhp, is being prepared for a CLS65 AMGFuture: The C230K will be replaced by a new B-class, which is based on the company's diminutive European A-class platform. Also expect a redesigned, bigger S-class sedan. Next year, the Alabama plant cranks up for the second-generation M-class, the next G-class, and an all-new R-class range of SUVs coming from the same platform. AMG is also preparing its version of the CLS500?the CLS65?which will share its 604-hp V-12 with the CL65 and SL65 and carry a six-figure price.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=8598

But there?s more news from AMG ? they will be fitting the 600 horsepower twin-turbo V12 to the CLS body to create the CLS65 AMG. The lives of the new M5 and upcoming RS6, and S-Type R are about going to become quite difficult?

http://www.carbc.com/Car-News-853.html

And, just in case the Porsche GT Coupe ends up with an advantage, the next episode of the mad Merc CLS saga will go down late in 2007 with ? believe it or not ? a new 465kW six-litre version of AMG?s biturbo V12 CLS65 AMG.


http://motoring.iafrica.com/exclusives/327774.htm

Pero en AMG ya están preparando la respuesta: un CLS65 AMG equipado con motor V8 de 6,3 litros y más de 500 caballos, según la revista Autoweek. También se trabaja en un CL65 y un SL65, ambos con mecánicas V12 biturbo, que rebasarán la barrera de los 600 caballos y también, con cierta holgura, la de los 300 km/h.

http://www.el-mundo.es/motor/2004/340/1087311900.html

The basic oil-burner will be a tuned 204bhp 3.2-litre unit from that E320 CDI. But this big news will be that all-new 4.0-litre V8 diesel in a CLS400 CDI. This 252bhp engine will also go on to gift that E-Class and S-Class. Performance fans will be offered this CLS55 AMG in 2006, and a 6.3-litre V12, with up to 600bhp, is being prepared for a CLS65 AMG.
The basic oil-burner will be a tuned 204bhp 3.2-litre unit from that E320 CDI. But this big news will be that all-new 4.0-litre V8 diesel in a CLS400 CDI. This 252bhp engine will also go on to gift that E-Class and S-Class. Performance fans will be offered this CLS55 AMG in 2006, and a 6.3-litre V12, with up to 600bhp, is being prepared for a CLS65 AMG
.http://www.evo.co.uk/t/story/news-ae...0070/story.htm

..........this of course is not proof that there will indeed be a CLS65, but it gives an indication.

Ted

 

Ted,

Just for fun I will bet you a real nice bottle of wine that we will not see a CLS65 V12 BiTurbo no matter what any car magazine says, I do hovever think we will see a CLS63 and at some point it may be a BiTurbo motor but a V8. So V12 you get a bottle, V8 I get one? What's the time limit?

I just don't believe that any of the car magazines really know what they are talking about. No one ever goes back and trues up what they reported as "rumors." They were reporting that a CLS65 was running around test tracks over a year ago with a pictures of the CLS55.

All in good fun!

Schiz

 

I agree with Schiznick, based on conversations I had with AMG officials last year. But in case he is wrong, I am happy to sell him a nice bottle of Rubicon to pay his debt with.

 

........you guys seem pretty sure that their won't be a cls65. looks like I'm going to end up owing you a bottle bottle of wine, lets wait and see.

ted

 

...........to make things a bit more confusing, I went to the dealer today and was informed that there will not be a CLS 65, rather there will be a CLS 63 which will utilize a twin turbo V8 engine. This makes sense. So, looks like I owe you a bottle of wine. But then he further stated that the E-class will be faced out in the US market to be replaced by the CLS. I doubt this very much. Whatever be the case, those buying the CLS on the grounds that this will be some type of a limited production car, might be in for a suprise.

Ted

 

I think most of the people on this board have learned not hold their breath when MB says that such and such car will only have a 1500 unit run or whatever. Of course, if a particular car is more successful than they expected, then MB also has the right to change their mind. It's all speculation on our parts as to how they run their business. They do have a right to make money, but i sure wouldnt be happy if they were KNOWINGLY AND INTENTIONALLY lying about limited production runs and blah blah blah.

T

 

Agree with you on the pictures of that BlacK CLS AMG around the test tracks...It must have been just the CLS55....However...It did have the wheels of the SL65/CL65...

I hope it is a V8 6.3 because I would get that and pass on the CLS55 on which I have pruposely not taken delivery of yet....(if the delay is reasonable of course..)

 

Schiz,

It would be wise disclose all the "fine print" in this bet or I'm afraid you will probably lose a fine bottle of wine. If your bet is that the CLS65 AMG won't be produced at all, you might be in for a surprise.

Maybe Mercedes won't produce the CLS65 AMG for the US market, but if they have already started the development of such a car, it would be very stupid for them to stop at this point.

And seeing that the S65 AMG will be released in the US, I don't see why they wouldn't come out with a CLS65 AMG as well. Besides, Mercedes already said that the new engines will be used on the new S-class first.

That gives them plenty of time to come out with a CLS 65 AMG in the meantime if they are really planning to hold on to the production of their new CLS 63 NA AMG until sometime in 2007.

 

No way. The E-Class IS Mercedes' bread and butter car (just like the 5-series is to BMW). It's not going away until the market deems a 4-door SEDAN is no longer mainstream. Again, not in my lifetime. Honestly, unless it's sitting in their showroom (and sometimes that's questionable), the dealer is the LAST place I would try to get accurate information from

 

Really? You sure about that? Rumor has it there are E65 AMG cars available as special AMG vehicles in Europe. If I had to hedge my bets, we will see a CLS65 before we see an E65 as a full production model. Still, I think some happy in-between is where we'll end up. I think the top performing engines (currently "65") will remain on the high line cars (S, CL, SL)...for the same reason why an E55 is claimed to have less HP than an SL55...lol. The 6.3L (4-valve) V8 turbo, my guess, is what may replace the current Kompressor 5.5L (3-valve) since MBZ is moving away from superchargers. But who knows...an NA motor might do the trick as well.

 

To all members of this forum:

Just for fun I will bet anyone in the forum a real nice bottle of wine that the CLS 63 will not use a Turbo nor Supercharger, instead it will be naturally aspirated. If Ted is about to win a nice bottle from Schiz, I don't see why I can't win one as well from someone who doesn't believe me!

 

E-class being faced out in the US market? That won't happen in a million years. Actually, I take that back... It might actually happen in a million years!

 

I'm pretty confident it will NOT be a kompressor. My initial source said they are moving back to big block motors. I think we can all agree that is the case. Now whether it will be NA or forced (read: turbo), is the question. To be honest, I'm siding with you on this right now, though the thought of a bi-turbo V8 is very nice (read: a lot of damn torque!). I'm just not sure if a V8 NA motor will do it for AMG anymore, unless they make a high compression engine that revs to high heaven to compete in the market. But still, 550-600hp is no problemo.

 

Come on Mr. Vanos! At least let me find someone in here who will take me up on the wine offer before you tell everyone that I might just be right. LOL

 

Well, I also sort of implied that you might be wrong :p

 

I hope other people buy that.

 

I will stick to my guns that there will be no series production of a CLS65 Bi-Turbo V12. That doesn't mean someone with enough money cant get a one off built.

I have no doubt that the CLS will get the next generation 6.3 V8 at some point and I will take it with or without turbo's!

All in good fun!

 

I am with Schiznick on this. There will not be a 12 cylinder engine in the E Class or any of its variations (CLS Class). I have been told this by people in the production department at Mercedes, not by any dealers.