anyone read Car and Driver RS4 vs. C55 vs. M3?
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Originally Posted by AdaMBombC32G
termigni, was wondering where you saw it say 80k for the RS4, cause if you follow this link ( http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9642 ) i did my research, it says on the last line its about $55k, an after a few options im sure it will be mid $60 - 70k MAX...
for $80k no one in there right mind (imo) would spend that on an AUDI, or would ya'll?
for $80k no one in there right mind (imo) would spend that on an AUDI, or would ya'll?
however, I've just read the latest Car & Driver last night at Barnes and Noble. According to this, it says the Audi RS4 will go for 75,000 Euros which converts to 85,000 US dollars, but Audi will price the RS4 at est. 80,000 Dollars for US market. that is what it says in the C&D.
your question brings this thread into focus because that was what i wanted to mention to all of you. the article reads that RS4 is the winner in this test because it does everything well. However from what the review says, C55 and M3 is damn close (in fact in some areas they are superior than RS4; M3's handling / C55's ride quality) So... against a $80,000 car, not bad C55!
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Originally Posted by jtc55
hey dragon, i spoke to my dealer few months ago and he said there definately will be a c63 w/ hp from 400-476. i believe the larger MB vehicles will be getting 500-550 hp. that's what i was told and he's always been straight w/ me. only time will tell.
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Originally Posted by termigni
don't believe what the dealers tell you especially news from many months ago. they know as much as you do if not less.
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there is no way the RS4 will cost $80k over here in the US.... has to be around $50k..... no one buys the RS6 for $80k!
I read the article, all of the perfomance numbers are from different tests.... so they don't mean much..... nice to see the C55 pull 108MPH though...
I read the article, all of the perfomance numbers are from different tests.... so they don't mean much..... nice to see the C55 pull 108MPH though...
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Originally Posted by termigni
however, I've just read the latest Car & Driver last night at Barnes and Noble.
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70k is almost the price of the the rs6. donno if 70k for the rs4 is gonna be right.
besides, rs4 and c55 in britain both cost 49£...or roughly US$ 70k. i don't think the pricing of 70k here is right.
look back an issue or two, there was a test drive of the rs4, and was predicted at 50k ish
besides, rs4 and c55 in britain both cost 49£...or roughly US$ 70k. i don't think the pricing of 70k here is right.
look back an issue or two, there was a test drive of the rs4, and was predicted at 50k ish
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Originally Posted by Fikse
there is no way the RS4 will cost $80k over here in the US.... has to be around $50k..... no one buys the RS6 for $80k!
I read the article, all of the perfomance numbers are from different tests.... so they don't mean much..... nice to see the C55 pull 108MPH though...
I read the article, all of the perfomance numbers are from different tests.... so they don't mean much..... nice to see the C55 pull 108MPH though...
Its been around for a while discussion about the RS4 price would be ...and it would be around $75-$80K.
The price without adoubt will distinguish RS4 apart from S4 crowd, so does the car performance and exterior wise.
If RS4 for $50K , who do you think in the right mind will buy S4 for $55K or the same price ..???
Then again only time will tell what the actuall RS4 price would be.
I have a feeling it would be somewhere on $70K range, as the new RS6 is rumored to be around $90K price range.
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They should dump the S4..... RS4 starting at 50k and that's it.... there is no S6 and RS6 over here..... I don't even see the RS6 on the audiusa site, is it gone with the intro of the new A6?
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Originally Posted by Fikse
They should dump the S4..... RS4 starting at 50k and that's it.... there is no S6 and RS6 over here..... I don't even see the RS6 on the audiusa site, is it gone with the intro of the new A6?
FYI RS6 only sold in the US for 2003 only.
And S6 also been around.
Please do some research about it. Its not on Audi USA website anymore, because they haven't release the S6 and RS6 for the new model (most current).
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Originally Posted by skahung
who the F is gonna buy an entry level audi for $80k Is a very nice car but is a faster/mod A4...thats all
Is a very nice car but is a faster/mod A4...thats allObviously there are always hardcore enthusiast that want the high performance car regardless it is compact chassis A4, or Full size chassis A6
The same can be said for Mercedes
Put it this way, why people by $60K entry level mercedes (C55) while you can buy C230K with AMG package for $30K
.... I am sure you will just stir up pointless debate...by doing this
Audi is little different, they always have 2 level of performance S line and RS line. (do your search).
I am a car enthusiast
As much as I love mercedes, I also give credit or applause to other car when its due. I am open minded
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yeah... I gotta believe the RS4 will go for low to mid 70's. That price of 55k in Car an driver is a typo. thats the price of an S4. The RS4 is so different from the S4. different front end, skirts, rear end, flared wheel wells. also different motor, tranny, DSC, brakes, wheels, interior and limited build numbers.
and we are all fooling ourselves if we think Mercedes wont build a C63. if may not have 500+ hp, but Im sure it will be in the 400 range. Mercedes could care less about marketing suicide. they have the C55 for 50+k, and they have the CLK55 for 75+K. Basically the same car. but 25k more a two-door. The new M3 will have 400+. So the new W204 will be around that range too.
and we are all fooling ourselves if we think Mercedes wont build a C63. if may not have 500+ hp, but Im sure it will be in the 400 range. Mercedes could care less about marketing suicide. they have the C55 for 50+k, and they have the CLK55 for 75+K. Basically the same car. but 25k more a two-door. The new M3 will have 400+. So the new W204 will be around that range too.
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Judging by your comment here, I am assuming you know little/diddly quat about Audi A4 or their performance.
Obviously there are always hardcore enthusiast that want the high performance car regardless it is compact chassis A4, or Full size chassis A6
The same can be said for Mercedes
Put it this way, why people by $60K entry level mercedes (C55) while you can buy C230K with AMG package for $30K
.... I am sure you will just stir up pointless debate...by doing this
Audi is little different, they always have 2 level of performance S line and RS line. (do your search).
I am a car enthusiast
As much as I love mercedes, I also give credit or applause to other car when its due. I am open minded
Regardz,
Obviously there are always hardcore enthusiast that want the high performance car regardless it is compact chassis A4, or Full size chassis A6
The same can be said for Mercedes
Put it this way, why people by $60K entry level mercedes (C55) while you can buy C230K with AMG package for $30K
.... I am sure you will just stir up pointless debate...by doing this
Audi is little different, they always have 2 level of performance S line and RS line. (do your search).
I am a car enthusiast
As much as I love mercedes, I also give credit or applause to other car when its due. I am open minded
Regardz,
No ****! I know is a "RS4" and not S4....Do you think is worth $80k
That was my point, and I don't need to do any research for that
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Originally Posted by rcalcaide
yeah... I gotta believe the RS4 will go for low to mid 70's. That price of 55k in Car an driver is a typo. thats the price of an S4. The RS4 is so different from the S4. different front end, skirts, rear end, flared wheel wells. also different motor, tranny, DSC, brakes, wheels, interior and limited build numbers.
and we are all fooling ourselves if we think Mercedes wont build a C63. if may not have 500+ hp, but Im sure it will be in the 400 range. Mercedes could care less about marketing suicide. they have the C55 for 50+k, and they have the CLK55 for 75+K. Basically the same car. but 25k more a two-door. The new M3 will have 400+. So the new W204 will be around that range too.
and we are all fooling ourselves if we think Mercedes wont build a C63. if may not have 500+ hp, but Im sure it will be in the 400 range. Mercedes could care less about marketing suicide. they have the C55 for 50+k, and they have the CLK55 for 75+K. Basically the same car. but 25k more a two-door. The new M3 will have 400+. So the new W204 will be around that range too.
im done with this thread!!
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No ****! I know is a "RS4" and not S4....Do you think is worth $80k
That was my point, and I don't need to do any research for that
That was my point, and I don't need to do any research for that
my bad, if I misunderstood your intention .. :p
But then again it depend on the potential buyer, whether they can justified the extra $$$ for extra performance, styling, exclusivity....etc..
The same applies why people still buying C55, while C230K with AMG pack can be had for half the price.
When you're a fan/die hard of certain marques (sp?) brand, you will always stick with the brand, unless off course you decide to cross over...
i.e.: S4 owner switch to C55. etc..
But at the end of the day, most people that buy this performance car is because they are into it, and they have the cash $$$ to spent it.
Its a matter of personal preference IMHO.
You might be a millionnaire but that doesn't mean you're going to buy C55 if you're not enthusiast.
And most of us who own high performance car model such AMG, M, S or RS not necessarily millionnaire either.
Simply because we love these cars, and we could afford it.
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By Scanning over some of the above responses, it seems that a lot of you don’t know what Audisport RS technology cars are all about. I’ve driven the RS6 as well as the E39 M5 and current E55 AMG. After taking that RS6 on a spirited test drive, I thought that RS tech. cars should be worshipped by the guys at BMW Motorsport and AMG. I completely forgot that I was driving something with a back seat, let alone 4 doors. Turn after turn, that thing never lost its composure and felt like it weighed a thousand pounds less. Audi is competing with AMG, BMW Motorsport, Cadillac V-series, Chrysler SRT, and Jag R-series with their S4, upcoming S6 and S8 cars. In my opinion the RS technology cars are on a different plane altogether and are justifiably priced. It’s just too bad that the RS6 is probably the most underappreciated sports sedan on the planet, which is why they can’t fetch their steep asking price. RS tech cars are very serious machines that command respect.... Don't bother arguing against me until you've taken one on a serious test drive...
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Ekaru, don't get so hostile, its an MB board. Its generally accepted that Audi makes a great car, but you cannot argue with the outrageous price of the RS4 and the lack of perfomance to back it up. Who would buy the RS4 when a well driven C55 can nearly equal its performance. Although the RS6 did win comparos agianst the E55, it was not a run away and in fact the AMG car was quicker. That said the RS6 was more epensive as well. I would have to hit the pipe pretty hard to write a check for an RS4 when the upcoming 07' c-class AMG and E90 M3 will certainly match it if not beat it.
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Originally Posted by 05C55
Ekaru, don't get so hostile, its an MB board. Its generally accepted that Audi makes a great car, but you cannot argue with the outrageous price of the RS4 and the lack of perfomance to back it up. Who would buy the RS4 when a well driven C55 can nearly equal its performance. Although the RS6 did win comparos agianst the E55, it was not a run away and in fact the AMG car was quicker. That said the RS6 was more epensive as well. I would have to hit the pipe pretty hard to write a check for an RS4 when the upcoming 07' c-class AMG and E90 M3 will certainly match it if not beat it.
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Originally Posted by EKaru
Have you driven an RS6?
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Originally Posted by 05C55
C'mon bro, a test drive may give you an idea, but it took me a solid six months to fully exploit my C55. It may be a great car, and yes I would give it a serious look if I were thinking of an uber sedan but c'mon, reality check, 80K for an A4 ??? It better be able to eat a TT for that kind of money. You know I'm right, spill already.
Sorry for not addressing the issue.... The RS4 will not be $80K... There's just no way Audi of North America would allow that and C&D should realize this... Now they have to deal with the flood of letters to the editor on why the RS4 costs so much more than the other two cars... Audi of North America will probably price the RS4 around $70K...
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Originally Posted by J Irwan
FYI RS6 only sold in the US for 2003 only.
And S6 also been around.
Please do some research about it. Its not on Audi USA website anymore, because they haven't release the S6 and RS6 for the new model (most current).
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And S6 also been around.
Please do some research about it. Its not on Audi USA website anymore, because they haven't release the S6 and RS6 for the new model (most current).
Regardz,
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If I were a betting man, I'd wager the RS4 is king of the Ring when compared to the C55 and M3.
and i'd even take the E90 M3 over it too,
