anyone read Car and Driver RS4 vs. C55 vs. M3?
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anyone read Car and Driver RS4 vs. C55 vs. M3?
not bad guys! C55 has gotten some good reviews in this issue. it has the most torque out of the three germans, and very impressive 0-60 time equivalent to RS4. C55 also wasn't that bad in handling department either. 
the Audi looks sick with RS4 treatments in and out. on the other hand, M3 looks very outdated compared to Audi and MB. (IMO)
but can you believe the estimated MSRP is $80k for the Audi????!! that is just wayy too much for a little german sports sedan.
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They did a head to head comparison test between these 3 cars in the latest issue? Or is this just a comparison from different road tests from previous issues?
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Originally Posted by PC Valkyrie
They did a head to head comparison test between these 3 cars in the latest issue? Or is this just a comparison from different road tests from previous issues?
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Originally Posted by 05C55
80K and it can't even gap a C55 to 60? Good luck with that one. 
like you said, $80k doesn't gap C55 in any category from this test.
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Originally Posted by 2QUIK4U
With the C55 performing as well as it does against the RS-4 and M3, can you only imagine when the C63 comes out. Audi and BMW engineers are going to have to get very creative to be able to keep up.
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Originally Posted by 05C55
80K and it can't even gap a C55 to 60? Good luck with that one.
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Originally Posted by skahung
From what I know....the Audi S4 is faster. Please don't flame me for saying that, I'm just telling the truth.
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Originally Posted by skahung
From what I know....the Audi S4 is faster. Please don't flame me for saying that, I'm just telling the truth.
Audi S4 vs. Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG: is that a V8 in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
Posted Oct 17, 2004, 12:44 PM ET by Christopher Diken
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Since it’s been available for a couple of years now, we’re all pretty familiar with the Audi S4: 340-hp put through all the wheels and controlled with a six-speed box. The C55 is MB’s replacement for the C32 AMG— in accordance with their movement away from supercharged engines, MB has bounced the C32’s 3.2 liter V6 in favor of a 5.4 liter V8. Review-wise, there are two sides to weigh, since R&T gets all judgemental in terms of both raw data and subjective driving experience. On the strict performance tip, the C55 outperforms the S4 in every category, from 0-60 right on down to fuel economy. But the S4 takes the subjective race, albeit by less of a margin. It’s simply more engaging to drive. Potential deal breakers could be the C55’s auto transmission, and its price, just over $60K, $10,000 more than the S4. Sure, $60K buys a lot of car, but if it was my money, I’d be in the S4 just so I could get the manual, not to mention the all-weather versatility. R&T, however, feels a bit differently.
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I should of never said the word "Faster" rofl!
It's very close 0-60, but then the S4 doesn't cost $80000
$56000 Fully Loaded
I wonder what there actual Top Speeds are since US limited both cars to 155mph
It's very close 0-60, but then the S4 doesn't cost $80000
$56000 Fully Loaded
I wonder what there actual Top Speeds are since US limited both cars to 155mph
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[QUOTE=skahung]I should of never said the word "Faster" rofl!
It's very close 0-60, but then the S4 doesn't cost $80000
According to the link : http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=5
Audi : $50,790 Mercedes C55 : $60,525.00
note : "Price as tested "
It's very close 0-60, but then the S4 doesn't cost $80000
According to the link : http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=5
Audi : $50,790 Mercedes C55 : $60,525.00
note : "Price as tested "
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Originally Posted by 2QUIK4U
With the C55 performing as well as it does against the RS-4 and M3, can you only imagine when the C63 comes out. Audi and BMW engineers are going to have to get very creative to be able to keep up.
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hold on...I think we're confusing eachother, is the Audi "RS4" not S4
RS4
"With 414 hp, the 2006 RS4 will accelerate from 0 to 62 mph in a stellar 4.8 seconds."
(1st pic is the RS4...2nd is the S4)
RS4
"With 414 hp, the 2006 RS4 will accelerate from 0 to 62 mph in a stellar 4.8 seconds."
(1st pic is the RS4...2nd is the S4)
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Originally Posted by termigni
not bad guys! C55 has gotten some good reviews in this issue. it has the most torque out of the three germans, and very impressive 0-60 time equivalent to RS4. C55 also wasn't that bad in handling department either. the Audi looks sick with RS4 treatments in and out. on the other hand, M3 looks very outdated compared to Audi and MB. (IMO)
but can you believe the estimated MSRP is $80k for the Audi????!! that is just wayy too much for a little german sports sedan.
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Can't wait to receive the latest issue of Car and Driver to read this comparison test.
Anyways, I've always suspected that the RS4 was going to be quite a premium over the S4. I don't think they are going to discontinue the S4 when the RS4 is sold. Rather, they will represent different "levels" within the A4 hierachy.
Currently, the S4 competes with the C55, E46 M3, and CTS-V from a performance and price viewpoint (even though the S4 is obviously the slowest of the 4 cars).
With the introduction of the RS4, Audi is raising the bar. Mercedes may well produce another Cxx AMG with output above 400HP, which may also command a price premium over the current C55. Whether that will be a limited production C63 (or any other number) alongside the C55 is anobody's guess. Bottom line is there may well be more than 1 C-class AMG variant in the future.
This wouldn't be a novel concept. AMG already has 55 and 65 series cars being sold at the same time.
Anyways, I've always suspected that the RS4 was going to be quite a premium over the S4. I don't think they are going to discontinue the S4 when the RS4 is sold. Rather, they will represent different "levels" within the A4 hierachy.
Currently, the S4 competes with the C55, E46 M3, and CTS-V from a performance and price viewpoint (even though the S4 is obviously the slowest of the 4 cars).
With the introduction of the RS4, Audi is raising the bar. Mercedes may well produce another Cxx AMG with output above 400HP, which may also command a price premium over the current C55. Whether that will be a limited production C63 (or any other number) alongside the C55 is anobody's guess. Bottom line is there may well be more than 1 C-class AMG variant in the future.
This wouldn't be a novel concept. AMG already has 55 and 65 series cars being sold at the same time.
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Originally Posted by termigni
not bad guys! C55 has gotten some good reviews in this issue. it has the most torque out of the three germans, and very impressive 0-60 time equivalent to RS4. C55 also wasn't that bad in handling department either. the Audi looks sick with RS4 treatments in and out. on the other hand, M3 looks very outdated compared to Audi and MB. (IMO)
but can you believe the estimated MSRP is $80k for the Audi????!! that is just wayy too much for a little german sports sedan.
for $80k no one in there right mind (imo) would spend that on an AUDI, or would ya'll?
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There will not be a c63. Do you really think that MB is going to put the same exact engine into the c-class that they will be putting in the E, S, SL, CLS, etc? C'mon think about it. We already know that these new 6.3 engines will not have a blower, so it would be marketing sucide and an overall "bad move" to put the 6.3 in the c.
The better question is: Will it be available in the US? I would think yes, since Audi has brought the RS-4 to the US market, Mercedes would most likely bring the C63 to be competitive in this category.
You are somewhat vague and nebulous on your last point, namely that it would be "marketing suicide" for them to implement the 6.3 liter in the C-class. What do you mean???
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the B7 Audi RS4 has a retail price of just over 49,000 GBP, whereas a new E46 M3 has a retail price of just under 42,000 GBP. the C55 is just under 49,000 GBP. given that the C55 goes for low-50's here, and the e46 m3 goes for mid-high 40's here, i don't think that the US Audi RS4 is going to be marked up that much to where the differences between the RS4 and comparable models will be that disproportionatel. i can't see Audi USA charging $80k USD for the RS4 and MB USA charging $53k USD for the C55, if there is barely any price disparity between the two in Britain. this leads me to suspect that the RS4 will be around $54-55k USD. a great car, nonetheless. though i heard the US car won't get all the fancy euro stuff, such as the steering wheel and beautiful seats? not sure, but anyway, the RS4 is a fantastic car...i would love to own one
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Originally Posted by 2QUIK4U
First of all, how do you know that there will NOT be a C63? According to "Auto Motor & Sport" and "Autobild" there will be a C63. These are the two most prominent automobile publications in Germany. I think they know a little bit more than you.
The better question is: Will it be available in the US? I would think yes, since Audi has brought the RS-4 to the US market, Mercedes would most likely bring the C63 to be competitive in this category.
You are somewhat vague and nebulous on your last point, namely that it would be "marketing suicide" for them to implement the 6.3 liter in the C-class. What do you mean???
The better question is: Will it be available in the US? I would think yes, since Audi has brought the RS-4 to the US market, Mercedes would most likely bring the C63 to be competitive in this category.
You are somewhat vague and nebulous on your last point, namely that it would be "marketing suicide" for them to implement the 6.3 liter in the C-class. What do you mean???
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i think it's possible they'll make C63 but i highly doubt it. to have that much power in an entry-level series is not the best marketing. i believe that Auto Motor and Sport when talking about the C63, was actually talking about and showing pictures of the C55 Perforamcne Package? not sure... however, the w202 did a have a brief run of the C55 AMG supposedly, which i believe shared the same engine as the W210 E55 and other cars? even so, with around 350hp in an entry-level is not unheard of...but to produce power of a 63 engine in an entry-level chassis does not seem like a hopeful reality. if mercedes ends up putting FI on an engine configuration similar to the 63 (though not the 63 directly because of its characteristics such as high compression ratio), then it is possible to see the c63...but then again with mercedes amg, you never know right? they're always crazy with the engine specs. if they do come out with c63, even though i am doubtful, then c32 is truly obsolete :p
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Originally Posted by dragonAMG
There will not be a c63. Do you really think that MB is going to put the same exact engine into the c-class that they will be putting in the E, S, SL, CLS, etc? C'mon think about it. We already know that these new 6.3 engines will not have a blower, so it would be marketing sucide and an overall "bad move" to put the 6.3 in the c.
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Originally Posted by jtc55
hey dragon, i spoke to my dealer few months ago and he said there definately will be a c63 w/ hp from 400-476. i believe the larger MB vehicles will be getting 500-550 hp. that's what i was told and he's always been straight w/ me. only time will tell.
But when? I doubt is anytime soon..
