anyone read Car and Driver RS4 vs. C55 vs. M3?
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Originally Posted by EKaru
Doesn't the CSL weigh 440 lbs less than the standard M3... I don't think it's fair to compare an ultra light coupe which weighs 3050 lbs to a 4060 lb RS6 sedan... Why can't you simply admit that the RS6 is a well engineered car which manages its weight well..
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Eric....
oh and i wasnt first compairing the rs6 to anything I was compairing the rs4 to the m3.
did the rs4 come to the states???
oh last i checked the ring is in germany
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Originally Posted by skratch77
so you think its fair to compair a car with 450+hp and even more torque to a little 3.2 n/a m3?
oh and i wasnt first compairing the rs6 to anything I was compairing the rs4 to the m3.
did the rs4 come to the states???
oh last i checked the ring is in germany
oh and i wasnt first compairing the rs6 to anything I was compairing the rs4 to the m3.
did the rs4 come to the states???
oh last i checked the ring is in germany
I wasn't the one comparing them... You're the one who said "if your going to use audi's best why not use bmw's as well,the m3 csl did it in 7:52 or somthing like that."
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Originally Posted by EKaru
I wasn't the one comparing them... You're the one who said "if your going to use audi's best why not use bmw's as well,the m3 csl did it in 7:52 or somthing like that."
Eric....
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then he brought up the rs6 into the mix and then I said if your going to use audis best why not use bmws.
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whats with all this talk all of a sudden with the new rs4 about f1 tech.its about time BMW has been using parts from its f1 team for years now.Just look at the m5 engine.The whole thing was designed by the williams f1 team at the f1 plant.Its also using an magnisium alluminum alloy mix block.Name a few cars out there other than f1 cars that use this to build there blocks.
I believe there is some connection between F1 technology and the new M5 engine too
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Originally Posted by skratch77
my mistake someone posted the rs6 beating the m3 around the ring.I was originally compairing the s4/rs4 to the m3.Wich I think is a more fair compairison.
then he brought up the rs6 into the mix and then I said if your going to use audis best why not use bmws.
then he brought up the rs6 into the mix and then I said if your going to use audis best why not use bmws.
the 4 year old m3 has done the ring in well under 8 min and audi has still yet to beat it with any of its r/rs line cars and you think the next m will be any different?"
"audi has still yet to beat it with any of its r/rs line cars and you think the next m will be any different?" [skratch 77]
I wonder what the Champion RS6 would do to the CSL, or my old MTM 520HP RS6.
To some, the truth is poison.
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I believe the M3 CSL did the Ring in 7.50 with a power to weight ratio of Weight / Bhp 3,9 Kg / PS.
The available for Rest of World purchase E46 M3 had a power to weight ratio of Weight / BhP 4,6 Kg / PS.
The available for Rest of World purchase RS6 had a power to weight ratio of
Weight / BhP 4,24 Kg/ PS.
The RS6 weighed 712.8 lbs more than the M3 and still beat it at The Ring.
'The first round of the 2004 SPEED GT World Challenge is held on Friday as part of the Sebring 12 Hour race support programme. Title holder Champion Racing goes to the grid under the new entry of “Audi Certified Champion RS 6 Team”. The outfit of the Audi RS 6 Competition, re-worked technically in many details, is also new: The defending SPEED GT champion Randy Pobst and his team colleague Michael Galati now line up with silver and red cars. '
Maybe the M prepped CSL M3 would like a go at these beasties; maybe NOT.
The available for Rest of World purchase E46 M3 had a power to weight ratio of Weight / BhP 4,6 Kg / PS.
The available for Rest of World purchase RS6 had a power to weight ratio of
Weight / BhP 4,24 Kg/ PS.
The RS6 weighed 712.8 lbs more than the M3 and still beat it at The Ring.
'The first round of the 2004 SPEED GT World Challenge is held on Friday as part of the Sebring 12 Hour race support programme. Title holder Champion Racing goes to the grid under the new entry of “Audi Certified Champion RS 6 Team”. The outfit of the Audi RS 6 Competition, re-worked technically in many details, is also new: The defending SPEED GT champion Randy Pobst and his team colleague Michael Galati now line up with silver and red cars. '
Maybe the M prepped CSL M3 would like a go at these beasties; maybe NOT.
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Originally Posted by AMGod
I believe the M3 CSL did the Ring in 7.50 with a power to weight ratio of Weight / Bhp 3,9 Kg / PS.
The available for Rest of World purchase E46 M3 had a power to weight ratio of Weight / BhP 4,6 Kg / PS.
The available for Rest of World purchase RS6 had a power to weight ratio of
Weight / BhP 4,24 Kg/ PS.
The RS6 weighed 712.8 lbs more than the M3 and still beat it at The Ring.
The available for Rest of World purchase E46 M3 had a power to weight ratio of Weight / BhP 4,6 Kg / PS.
The available for Rest of World purchase RS6 had a power to weight ratio of
Weight / BhP 4,24 Kg/ PS.
The RS6 weighed 712.8 lbs more than the M3 and still beat it at The Ring.
The rs6 has a better power to weight ratio than the M3 and the ring is not a tight track so a heavy fast car will do well especially if it has a 10% better power to weight ratio in the first place. You'll notice that the link you posted shows that at the Ring the m3 corners faster but the rs6 is significantly faster in a striaghtline. So the car with the faster lap time will depend on the type of track at which the time is taken. At hockenheim the cars where the same because the rs6 can't utilise its straightline speed enough to gain any advantage.
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Originally Posted by AMGod
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I wonder what the Champion RS6 would do to the CSL, or my old MTM 520HP RS6.
To some, the truth is poison.
I wonder what the Champion RS6 would do to the CSL, or my old MTM 520HP RS6.
To some, the truth is poison.
theres also a supercharged m3 csl with well over 500hp running around,im sure he would love to messs around with any audi around a track
.heres a little video of this gutted csl linky
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Originally Posted by reggid
can i ask what your point is?
The rs6 has a better power to weight ratio than the M3 and the ring is not a tight track so a heavy fast car will do well especially if it has a 10% better power to weight ratio in the first place. You'll notice that the link you posted shows that at the Ring the m3 corners faster but the rs6 is significantly faster in a striaghtline. So the car with the faster lap time will depend on the type of track at which the time is taken. At hockenheim the cars where the same because the rs6 can't utilise its straightline speed enough to gain any advantage.
The rs6 has a better power to weight ratio than the M3 and the ring is not a tight track so a heavy fast car will do well especially if it has a 10% better power to weight ratio in the first place. You'll notice that the link you posted shows that at the Ring the m3 corners faster but the rs6 is significantly faster in a striaghtline. So the car with the faster lap time will depend on the type of track at which the time is taken. At hockenheim the cars where the same because the rs6 can't utilise its straightline speed enough to gain any advantage.
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Originally Posted by skratch77
I wonder what an m3csl gtr 440hp will do to that car.You can't comapair race cars to street cars.
theres also a supercharged m3 csl with well over 500hp running around,im sure he would love to messs around with any audi around a track .
heres a little video of this gutted csl linky
theres also a supercharged m3 csl with well over 500hp running around,im sure he would love to messs around with any audi around a track
.heres a little video of this gutted csl linky
"audi has still yet to beat it with any of its r/rs line cars and you think the next m will be any different?" [skratch 77]
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amgod where have you proven me wrong.Show me an audi rs4/rs6/s4 doing the ring in under 8 min????
the csl did it in 7:50 where have you proven me wrong.My brother has an s4 so please dont tell me how well they handle.
nice to see that you have no idea why bmw got kicked out with the gtr.Go do some research buddy.
the original m3 gtr was a 420hp 3.2 inline 6 n/a and was beating the crap out of porsche and they *****ed that it was an illegal engine for its class.
the gtr was beating all the v8s with its inline 6 and was kicked out becaue it didnt use a v8.BMW then built a v8 gtr to compete again.
the e60 m5 beat the csl time on the top gear track where they tested many fast cars.
Maserati MC12 1.18.9
Ferrari F60 Enzo 1.19.0
Ariel Atom 1.19.5
Porsche Carerra GT 1.19.8
Mercedes McLaren SLR 1.20.9
Ford GT 1.21.9
Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3
Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3
Ferrari F430 coupe 1.22.9
Murcielago 1.23.7
Zonda 1.23.8
Koenigsegg 1.23.9
Noble 1.25.0
Gallardo 1.25.8
BMW M5 E60 1.26.2
Lotus Exige 1.26.4
Chevrolet Corvette 1.26.8
Mercedes CLS 55 AMG 1.26.9
Porsche 911 GT3 1.27.2
TVR 350C 1.27.5
BMW M3 CSL 1.28.0
Dodge Viper SRT-10 1.28.5
MG SV 1.28.6
Mitsubishi Evo VIII 1.28.9
Porsche 911 Carrera S 1.28.9
BMW Alpine Z8 1.29.0
wheres the rs6 on that list?
the csl did it in 7:50 where have you proven me wrong.My brother has an s4 so please dont tell me how well they handle.
nice to see that you have no idea why bmw got kicked out with the gtr.Go do some research buddy.
the original m3 gtr was a 420hp 3.2 inline 6 n/a and was beating the crap out of porsche and they *****ed that it was an illegal engine for its class.
the gtr was beating all the v8s with its inline 6 and was kicked out becaue it didnt use a v8.BMW then built a v8 gtr to compete again.
the e60 m5 beat the csl time on the top gear track where they tested many fast cars.
Maserati MC12 1.18.9
Ferrari F60 Enzo 1.19.0
Ariel Atom 1.19.5
Porsche Carerra GT 1.19.8
Mercedes McLaren SLR 1.20.9
Ford GT 1.21.9
Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3
Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3
Ferrari F430 coupe 1.22.9
Murcielago 1.23.7
Zonda 1.23.8
Koenigsegg 1.23.9
Noble 1.25.0
Gallardo 1.25.8
BMW M5 E60 1.26.2
Lotus Exige 1.26.4
Chevrolet Corvette 1.26.8
Mercedes CLS 55 AMG 1.26.9
Porsche 911 GT3 1.27.2
TVR 350C 1.27.5
BMW M3 CSL 1.28.0
Dodge Viper SRT-10 1.28.5
MG SV 1.28.6
Mitsubishi Evo VIII 1.28.9
Porsche 911 Carrera S 1.28.9
BMW Alpine Z8 1.29.0
wheres the rs6 on that list?
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Stay focused and slowly review the information at the link. 
RS6 vs. M3
"Originally Posted by skratch77
the 4 year old m3 has done the ring in well under 8 min and audi has still yet to beat it with any of its r/rs line cars and you think the next m will be any different?"
"audi has still yet to beat it with any of its r/rs line cars and you think the next m will be any different?" [skratch 77]
Digression is the sign of a weak mind.
RS6 vs. M3
"Originally Posted by skratch77
the 4 year old m3 has done the ring in well under 8 min and audi has still yet to beat it with any of its r/rs line cars and you think the next m will be any different?"
"audi has still yet to beat it with any of its r/rs line cars and you think the next m will be any different?" [skratch 77]
Digression is the sign of a weak mind.
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Originally Posted by AMGod
Stay focused and slowly review the information at the link.
RS6 vs. M3
"audi has still yet to beat it with any of its r/rs line cars and you think the next m will be any different?" [skratch 77]
Digression is the sign of a weak mind.
RS6 vs. M3
"audi has still yet to beat it with any of its r/rs line cars and you think the next m will be any different?" [skratch 77]
Digression is the sign of a weak mind.
compair that 100k rs6 to an m3csl not a regular m3
and that e46 test is an old one.Im sure the compition m3 with 19's will get a better time
again you pick audis best wich and chose a regular m3.The csl is a production m3 you know
m5vsrs6
cslvsrs6
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Originally Posted by skratch77
again you pick audis best wich and chose a regular m3.The csl is a production m3 you know
Another link.
M3 loses to S4 loses to Acura Speedvision Challenge Series
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Originally Posted by AMGod
Look carefully at your statement. Review the link. You will see an M3 being beaten by an Audi RS vehicle which directly contradicts your statement. To deny the facts leaves you in a pissing contest alone. Watch your feet for the splash factor. Feel free to dance in circles alone.
Dont you think i KNOW WHAT THE REGULAR M3 DOES THE RING IN.
im still waiting for a responce from you about the m3gtr with its little tinny 3.2 beating porschs v8 and them moning and crying telling them that that car is illegal because it dosnt have a v8.
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This thread rocks! I love the car battles. The S4 is audis top sport sedan,comparable to the M3(not really). The RS4 is a worked version of that,so why not compare it to the worked version of the M3 the CSL?? Lets get some stats from those 2?? The CSL would eat it up?
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Originally Posted by AMGod
I believe the M3 CSL did the Ring in 7.50 with a power to weight ratio of Weight / Bhp 3,9 Kg / PS.
The available for Rest of World purchase E46 M3 had a power to weight ratio of Weight / BhP 4,6 Kg / PS.
The available for Rest of World purchase RS6 had a power to weight ratio of
Weight / BhP 4,24 Kg/ PS.
The RS6 weighed 712.8 lbs more than the M3 and still beat it at The Ring.
'The first round of the 2004 SPEED GT World Challenge is held on Friday as part of the Sebring 12 Hour race support programme. Title holder Champion Racing goes to the grid under the new entry of “Audi Certified Champion RS 6 Team”. The outfit of the Audi RS 6 Competition, re-worked technically in many details, is also new: The defending SPEED GT champion Randy Pobst and his team colleague Michael Galati now line up with silver and red cars. '
Maybe the M prepped CSL M3 would like a go at these beasties; maybe NOT.
The available for Rest of World purchase E46 M3 had a power to weight ratio of Weight / BhP 4,6 Kg / PS.
The available for Rest of World purchase RS6 had a power to weight ratio of
Weight / BhP 4,24 Kg/ PS.
The RS6 weighed 712.8 lbs more than the M3 and still beat it at The Ring.
'The first round of the 2004 SPEED GT World Challenge is held on Friday as part of the Sebring 12 Hour race support programme. Title holder Champion Racing goes to the grid under the new entry of “Audi Certified Champion RS 6 Team”. The outfit of the Audi RS 6 Competition, re-worked technically in many details, is also new: The defending SPEED GT champion Randy Pobst and his team colleague Michael Galati now line up with silver and red cars. '
Maybe the M prepped CSL M3 would like a go at these beasties; maybe NOT.
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Originally Posted by GC55
The S4 is audis top sport sedan,comparable to the M3(not really).
What you talkin' about Willis??
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=1
First read those two articles... Second... Why does faster always equate to better?
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You know what guys.....you miss the point.
3 Cars, 3 Car companies making 3 great cars. First, the M3 as the top dog, then the C55 comes along and puts the heat on and now the RS-4. In a while the E-90 M3. Then the C63 or some variant. And so it goes on and on. Count on it.
What fun!
What is exciting to me is that in this class you have 3 great choices and in the midsize class you have 3 choices!
Pick your ride. They're all great! Mine is the C55 which for the moment out cruises all of them, a strength which in my opinion really makes sense.
Q: Where do you (can you) go fastest?
A: On the highway! (autobahn)
But that's just my opinion. I'm middle-aged so I kind of identify w/ the schzoid civility of the C55. My choice my ride.
They each have strengths or in the case of the RS4 will have strengths. ...And they each have attributes that relates to our subjective interests and tastes.
3 Cars, 3 Car companies making 3 great cars. First, the M3 as the top dog, then the C55 comes along and puts the heat on and now the RS-4. In a while the E-90 M3. Then the C63 or some variant. And so it goes on and on. Count on it.
What fun!
What is exciting to me is that in this class you have 3 great choices and in the midsize class you have 3 choices!
Pick your ride. They're all great! Mine is the C55 which for the moment out cruises all of them, a strength which in my opinion really makes sense.
Q: Where do you (can you) go fastest?
A: On the highway! (autobahn)
But that's just my opinion. I'm middle-aged so I kind of identify w/ the schzoid civility of the C55. My choice my ride.
They each have strengths or in the case of the RS4 will have strengths. ...And they each have attributes that relates to our subjective interests and tastes.
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Originally Posted by scovit
You know what guys.....you miss the point.
3 Cars, 3 Car companies making 3 great cars. First, the M3 as the top dog, then the C55 comes along and puts the heat on and now the RS-4. In a while the E-90 M3. Then the C63 or some variant. And so it goes on and on. Count on it.
What fun!
What is exciting to me is that in this class you have 3 great choices and in the midsize class you have 3 choices!
Pick your ride. They're all great! Mine is the C55 which for the moment out cruises all of them, a strength which in my opinion really makes sense.
Q: Where do you (can you) go fastest?
A: On the highway! (autobahn)
But that's just my opinion. I'm middle-aged so I kind of identify w/ the schzoid civility of the C55. My choice my ride.
They each have strengths or in the case of the RS4 will have strengths. ...And they each have attributes that relates to our subjective interests and tastes.
3 Cars, 3 Car companies making 3 great cars. First, the M3 as the top dog, then the C55 comes along and puts the heat on and now the RS-4. In a while the E-90 M3. Then the C63 or some variant. And so it goes on and on. Count on it.
What fun!
What is exciting to me is that in this class you have 3 great choices and in the midsize class you have 3 choices!
Pick your ride. They're all great! Mine is the C55 which for the moment out cruises all of them, a strength which in my opinion really makes sense.
Q: Where do you (can you) go fastest?
A: On the highway! (autobahn)
But that's just my opinion. I'm middle-aged so I kind of identify w/ the schzoid civility of the C55. My choice my ride.
They each have strengths or in the case of the RS4 will have strengths. ...And they each have attributes that relates to our subjective interests and tastes.
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Originally Posted by AMGod
Look carefully at your statement. Review the link. You will see an M3 being beaten by an Audi RS vehicle which directly contradicts your statement. To deny the facts leaves you in a pissing contest alone. Watch your feet for the splash factor. Feel free to dance in circles alone.
Another link.
M3 loses to S4 loses to Acura Speedvision Challenge Series
Another link.
M3 loses to S4 loses to Acura Speedvision Challenge Series
that m3 in the link is a e36 m3 and has 240hp stock.Its the american spec please.
do you want me to dig up the m3 winning 4 years in a row articles.
IM not going to I have nothing to prove.
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RS6s vs. M3 in 2004 (look down the page for the BMW teams)
M3 finished 13 and 16 to RS6 1 and 2. Can't be, IMPOSSIBLE!
McMillin Motorsports (13)
BMW M3
3.2L I6
Stewart Motorsports (16)
BMW M3
3.2L I6
Teehee.
M3 finished 13 and 16 to RS6 1 and 2. Can't be, IMPOSSIBLE!
McMillin Motorsports (13)
BMW M3
3.2L I6
Stewart Motorsports (16)
BMW M3
3.2L I6
Teehee.
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