I am very disappointed with Mercedes
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most powerful street-legal car is powered by VW...
and you are forgetting the AMG just started putting new engine and suspension setups in new cars aka the 63's. The first one to come is the ML63 follow by the CLK63 with 480hp/491tq. I'm sure it can hang with the M5 and M6 btw.
and you are forgetting the AMG just started putting new engine and suspension setups in new cars aka the 63's. The first one to come is the ML63 follow by the CLK63 with 480hp/491tq. I'm sure it can hang with the M5 and M6 btw.
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Originally Posted by Garrett
Greetings, (1st post)
My opinion mirror USER NAME's somewhat and both car manufacturers produce excellent cars. Although, their target audience isn't the same...! I'm sure alot of you understand this... but in reading this thread there are many that do not.
It's quit obvious that the TS is "trolling" but then again that was his OPINION. Alot of what came next is rediculious and bias. Both Mercedes and BMW are excellent cars, albeit for a different segment. BMW specializes on performance while MB targets comfort.
Having 400HP and being able to use 400hp are 2 different things.
Topgun32, your ignorantly assumed that SMG is some sort of automatic. The M5 is a manual. SMG (Sequential Manual Gearbox) manually shift gears when you order it to do so via the steering wheel "paddle" instead of the row-box. It's mechanical, just like all BMW gas pedals, they actually have no mechanical connection from pedal to the throttle... it's throttle by WIRE.
SMG is a true manual, except the linkage is connected electronically (Exactly like the driver gas pedal, throttle). So, if you hook those input (paddle levers)into a seperate computer and run a program that gives the inputs to the tranny for you = seemless automatic transmission. Yet it's actually a sophisticated program shifting gears instead of the driver. SMG can simulate and automatic transmission.
In the end a test drive is not enough to get aquinted to either vehicle. The C55 AMG is $18,000 more than the e90 330i. Those cars cannot be directly compaired. However, the C350 and 330ci can. And it's just a matter of what you enjoy in a car... Luxury over performance, or vice versa.
Performace is the whole package and not just 0-62 times.
*On a side note, BMW is about to announce the release of their 3-series coupe (e92) called the 335ci.. replacing the 330ci. Knowing that Mereces or BMW we are all car buffs and engine junkies I thought this would be an interesting read. N54 BMW's new 3-series engine (low boost)
BTW, great board you guy have over here
-Garrett
My opinion mirror USER NAME's somewhat and both car manufacturers produce excellent cars. Although, their target audience isn't the same...! I'm sure alot of you understand this... but in reading this thread there are many that do not.
It's quit obvious that the TS is "trolling" but then again that was his OPINION. Alot of what came next is rediculious and bias. Both Mercedes and BMW are excellent cars, albeit for a different segment. BMW specializes on performance while MB targets comfort.
Having 400HP and being able to use 400hp are 2 different things.
Topgun32, your ignorantly assumed that SMG is some sort of automatic. The M5 is a manual. SMG (Sequential Manual Gearbox) manually shift gears when you order it to do so via the steering wheel "paddle" instead of the row-box. It's mechanical, just like all BMW gas pedals, they actually have no mechanical connection from pedal to the throttle... it's throttle by WIRE.
SMG is a true manual, except the linkage is connected electronically (Exactly like the driver gas pedal, throttle). So, if you hook those input (paddle levers)into a seperate computer and run a program that gives the inputs to the tranny for you = seemless automatic transmission. Yet it's actually a sophisticated program shifting gears instead of the driver. SMG can simulate and automatic transmission.
In the end a test drive is not enough to get aquinted to either vehicle. The C55 AMG is $18,000 more than the e90 330i. Those cars cannot be directly compaired. However, the C350 and 330ci can. And it's just a matter of what you enjoy in a car... Luxury over performance, or vice versa.
Performace is the whole package and not just 0-62 times.
*On a side note, BMW is about to announce the release of their 3-series coupe (e92) called the 335ci.. replacing the 330ci. Knowing that Mereces or BMW we are all car buffs and engine junkies I thought this would be an interesting read. N54 BMW's new 3-series engine (low boost)
BTW, great board you guy have over here
-Garrett
I was not trying to explain the mechanical components and operations of a SMG gear box or CVT box or any other transmission.
My argument was an still is the following:
My point was that the SMG is the new way of future and sports car do NOT need a Manual transmission or manual clutch to be considered a true sports car. If you dont' agree, I can start naming list of cars that are pure sports cars that use SMG or DSG technology.
argument closed.
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I second to Topgun's view.
Before I have got a AMG car, I could not even smell what the exhaust gas of a Porsche is like. Now, I race with the Evo, STI, 911.
Before I have got a AMG car, I could not even smell what the exhaust gas of a Porsche is like. Now, I race with the Evo, STI, 911.
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Originally Posted by TopGun32
My point was that the SMG is the new way of future and sports car do NOT need a Manual transmission or manual clutch to be considered a true sports car. If you dont' agree, I can start naming list of cars that are pure sports cars that use SMG or DSG technology.
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Originally Posted by TopGun32
please READ my post again! I DID not call SMG an automatic! Your assumption is incorrect.
I was not trying to explain the mechanical components and operations of a SMG gear box or CVT box or any other transmission.
My argument was an still is the following:
My point was that the SMG is the new way of future and sports car do NOT need a Manual transmission or manual clutch to be considered a true sports car. If you dont' agree, I can start naming list of cars that are pure sports cars that use SMG or DSG technology.
argument closed.
I was not trying to explain the mechanical components and operations of a SMG gear box or CVT box or any other transmission.
My argument was an still is the following:
My point was that the SMG is the new way of future and sports car do NOT need a Manual transmission or manual clutch to be considered a true sports car. If you dont' agree, I can start naming list of cars that are pure sports cars that use SMG or DSG technology.
argument closed.
Oh, I understood your point correctly! I just didn't not understand it as used in your retort to USER NAME.
Originally Posted by TopGun32
you choose your own gears.. meaning what? manual transmission.
Well the New M5/M6 does not come in manual yet. So go ahead a flame your own BMW god, for not making a true manual transmission for your super sedan and coupe.
Just face it, the whole industry is going away from the manual transmissions...
Well the New M5/M6 does not come in manual yet. So go ahead a flame your own BMW god, for not making a true manual transmission for your super sedan and coupe.
Just face it, the whole industry is going away from the manual transmissions...
But in the end, one is an automatic and one is a manual. Speedshift is not a manual. But I thought I made that clear in my retort. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear the first time, I was assuming there was a given level of intelligence and knowledge amongs us unthusiasts.
BMW is on their 5th revision of SMG.. hardly new. And yes, it is directly derived from Formula1.
Some tranmissions have cable linkage, some use a pully mythod, while others user a more sophisticated form with wire.
-Garrett
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most powerful street-legal car is powered by VW...
and you are forgetting the AMG just started putting new engine and suspension setups in new cars aka the 63's. The first one to come is the ML63 follow by the CLK63 with 480hp/491tq. I'm sure it can hang with the M5 and M6 btw.
and you are forgetting the AMG just started putting new engine and suspension setups in new cars aka the 63's. The first one to come is the ML63 follow by the CLK63 with 480hp/491tq. I'm sure it can hang with the M5 and M6 btw.
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Originally Posted by mick1
If I am not mistaken, even Michael Schumacher drives a semi-automatic Ferrari Formula 1 race car .
The manual is 3.9s.
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Originally Posted by MrDinan
The AMG you're speaking off takes off quicker than the M5, but the M5 quickly catches up and the AMG is done. 0-30 the AMG has a huge advantage, 30-200 (or 155 if limited) the M5 has the bigger advantage.
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Originally Posted by termigni
LOL what magazines are you subscribing to? do you really think you'll reach to 200mph on a regular road or highways occasionally? by the time you reach about 110, 120, or 130, the race is over on the road....
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Originally Posted by mick1
Yep. According to the news article I read on the recent Ferrari Enzo crash, the driver lost control after reaching 150 mph, and that's a supercar we are talking about.
it's so similar to the arguments they have on motorcycle forums. these newbies always come on and ask us which is the fastest 600cc/1000cc bike. the truth is that it depends on how good of a rider you are, it doesn't matter which bike it is.
if it takes you 6000+rpm to reach your maximum torque or hp, that's a lot of work that a driver has to do to achieve those performance. MB has that advantage, it easily produces these crazy numbers at a simple tab of pedal. again, not all of us are trained race car drivers and easy access to performance is the key in our world.
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Originally Posted by Garrett
Oh, I understood your point correctly! I just didn't not understand it as used in your retort to USER NAME.
Are you implying that Mercedes has SMG ..? There is a fundamental difference between having a true Manual that can have an overlaying program hit the paddle shifters for you.... and having a really good automatic trnsmission.
But in the end, one is an automatic and one is a manual. Speedshift is not a manual. But I thought I made that clear in my retort. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear the first time, I was assuming there was a given level of intelligence and knowledge amongs us unthusiasts.
BMW is on their 5th revision of SMG.. hardly new. And yes, it is directly derived from Formula1.
Some tranmissions have cable linkage, some use a pully mythod, while others user a more sophisticated form with wire.
-Garrett
Are you implying that Mercedes has SMG ..? There is a fundamental difference between having a true Manual that can have an overlaying program hit the paddle shifters for you.... and having a really good automatic trnsmission.
But in the end, one is an automatic and one is a manual. Speedshift is not a manual. But I thought I made that clear in my retort. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear the first time, I was assuming there was a given level of intelligence and knowledge amongs us unthusiasts.
BMW is on their 5th revision of SMG.. hardly new. And yes, it is directly derived from Formula1.
Some tranmissions have cable linkage, some use a pully mythod, while others user a more sophisticated form with wire.
-Garrett
I'm very aware of the fact MB does not have an SMG box.
"This is according to the Director of AMG operations, in last months interview."
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Originally Posted by MrDinan
The AMG you're speaking off takes off quicker than the M5, but the M5 quickly catches up and the AMG is done. 0-30 the AMG has a huge advantage, 30-200 (or 155 if limited) the M5 has the bigger advantage.
it all depends who starts in the correct proper power band
If the M5 is caught in the lower rev, its over for the M5 until well into the 3 digits.
If the E55 doe not properly launch, specially under 30, it will spin too much and loose.
This is not speculation: This is an actual test done by one of our members that Owns both cars or E55 members that have M5 friends.
So, to answer your question.
From a stand still 0-115. E55 and then M5 wins.
from a roll: it all depends. But chances are that the torque will be most useful around town and at the occasional highway pulls.
The M5 gearing is really good and makes up the difference in torque from a roll.
One thing is for sure, if the M5 driver is not in full mode and very alert, it will be hard to beat an E55 around town.
There is no dispute, M5 after 120+ is just plain crazy fast!
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I love it when the trolls just twist a topic and try to bring up something else entirely.
Seriously, if you want to discuss the M5, there's an E55 board for you to properly vent. Tell them how much they've wasted 90K on a subpar car.
While doing so, please do us a favor and go to the Porsche boards and start some flames. Really, try to convince them that your heavenly M5 will spank their 997, or are you too chicken s#$^ to even do that?
Seriously, if you want to discuss the M5, there's an E55 board for you to properly vent. Tell them how much they've wasted 90K on a subpar car.
While doing so, please do us a favor and go to the Porsche boards and start some flames. Really, try to convince them that your heavenly M5 will spank their 997, or are you too chicken s#$^ to even do that?
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Chill guys. Why is everyone arguing over the internet? LOL......... sheesh. Everyone should just ignore the thread and let the trolls go away to their bored lives. I mean who honestly gives a flying rats a$$ who's car is better..... sounds like an immature big dick contest. Enjoy your family, enjoy life, and enjoy your cars..... don't let a troll bring all of you down. oh yah.... my slow *** C230 ownz!!! 
haha......
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