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Definitive testing for inter-cooler pump and MAP?

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Old 04-09-2006, 02:10 PM
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do you have a picture of the pumps new and old?
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i will take a picture of the old pump, let me see if i can find a picture of the new one...
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here is a link to the one i bought...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...MEWN%3AIT&rd=1
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So what is the price of the Ford Lightning Pump? Since the stock one is $600 from MB this might be cost effective replacement.
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Originally Posted by Zeppelin
So what is the price of the Ford Lightning Pump? Since the stock one is $600 from MB this might be cost effective replacement.

did you click the link?
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I have found Vadims thread which states the original intercooler pump LPM Vs' the replacement pump LPM.

https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...ht=marine+pump
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did you click the link?
As you can see we posted at the same time so I did not see his about price
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check this out

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Originally Posted by 1FASTC32
here is a link to the one i bought...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...MEWN%3AIT&rd=1

if this shows to be reliable for this engine.. (increase flow with the same IC)...

I need to fly you to Cali and pay you to do this my friend!


I bet we can get a group of guys from So Cali and SD that would love to get thier pump replaced with a better pump or newer pump

lets do the math:

$95 for the part. shipping is $10-12.
1 hour of your time at $95 hour (same rate other big name shops charge)

roughly $200 bones out the door!

I say if we can around 5 guys that are interested, we can set up a Saturday to fly down take care of our cars and make some money?

Of course we will pay for your flight here as well.

great job on your research.
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Originally Posted by Zeppelin
As you can see we posted at the same time so I did not see his about price

LOL! sorry, i didn't see the time...
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Originally Posted by TopGun32
if this shows to be reliable for this engine.. (increase flow with the same IC)...

I need to fly you to Cali and pay you to do this my friend!


I bet we can get a group of guys from So Cali and SD that would love to get thier pump replaced with a better pump or newer pump

lets do the math:

$95 for the part. shipping is $10-12.
1 hour of your time at $95 hour (same rate other big name shops charge)

roughly $200 bones out the door!

I say if we can around 5 guys that are interested, we can set up a Saturday to fly down take care of our cars and make some money?

Of course we will pay for your flight here as well.

great job on your research.
sounds like fun...i would be willing to do it! especially this summer...i will have some down time then...i have never been to cali, it would be nice to see it
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Topgun,

I don't think you will get the Johnson 12V pump for $95.00 The best price I could get it for here in Australia was $560.00 AUD. I ended up replacing with the original as it was free under warranty. I got it even though warranty had expired. I had to fight for that one!

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Originally Posted by TopGun32
I need to fly you to Cali and pay you to do this my friend!
For real? Honestly...this is an easy DIY job - even if you've never wrenched before. It would be a great project to cut your teeth on. It's not like you can majorly screw anything up if you do something wrong.

1FastC32 - When you say "It's like driving a whole new car" - what exactly do you mean? Can you expand on that for us?
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Originally Posted by OZC32AMG
Topgun,

I don't think you will get the Johnson 12V pump for $95.00 The best price I could get it for here in Australia was $560.00 AUD. I ended up replacing with the original as it was free under warranty. I got it even though warranty had expired. I had to fight for that one!

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check the website above.. they have many for $95.

remember we are talking about a Ford Lightning pump that is basically the same as the one used for our MB's.

The mark up is huge! MB's charges $600 and Ford part is $100.

with some slight mods to the connectors, it will work for our cars. Now we just need to show some sort of reliability before we can say its a "no brainer"

we are going through the observation period of this experiment.

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Originally Posted by mk2tmr2
For real? Honestly...this is an easy DIY job - even if you've never wrenched before. It would be a great project to cut your teeth on. It's not like you can majorly screw anything up if you do something wrong.

1FastC32 - When you say "It's like driving a whole new car" - what exactly do you mean? Can you expand on that for us?

i agree...

this is something we can do.

Just through it would be nice to have a bunch of C32's do it around the same time, since we will end up paying the dealer $600+ to get it replaced sooner or later after the warranty expires.


mine just expired and I just paid $350 for the MAP sensor.
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Originally Posted by TopGun32
i agree...

this is something we can do.

Just through it would be nice to have a bunch of C32's do it around the same time, since we will end up paying the dealer $600+ to get it replaced sooner or later after the warranty expires.


mine just expired and I just paid $350 for the MAP sensor.
where is the MAP sensor located on the car? this is my next project...i want to make sure it is functioning properly along with the AIT sensor...
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Originally Posted by mk2tmr2
For real? Honestly...this is an easy DIY job - even if you've never wrenched before. It would be a great project to cut your teeth on. It's not like you can majorly screw anything up if you do something wrong.

1FastC32 - When you say "It's like driving a whole new car" - what exactly do you mean? Can you expand on that for us?
meaning that my intercooler was not working at all...it is much smoother, has tons more power, will actually pull past 80mph without cutting the supercharger, etc...

does that answer your question?
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Originally Posted by 1FASTC32
where is the MAP sensor located on the car? this is my next project...i want to make sure it is functioning properly along with the AIT sensor...

i was told by my service rep, underneath the intake manifold. Where exactly... dunno!

The car responds even after 4 hours of driving through freeway and traffic. Example: My San Diego trip to pick up my tires I bought from a MBWolrd member. After 4 hours of constant use, the car still responded normally.
Before, it would somehow loose the power and I needed to downshift to get the kompressor working again.

but I think if you search MAP in this forum, there are many people that had this problem, hopefully they documented the exact location.
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Originally Posted by TopGun32
i was told by my service rep, underneath the intake manifold. Where exactly... dunno!

The car responds even after 4 hours of driving through freeway and traffic. Example: My San Diego trip to pick up my tires I bought from a MBWolrd member. After 4 hours of constant use, the car still responded normally.
Before, it would somehow loose the power and I needed to downshift to get the kompressor working again.

but I think if you search MAP in this forum, there are many people that had this problem, hopefully they documented the exact location.
ok, i will do some digging around and see if i can find it....i am going to end up pulling the supercharger/intecooler unit off the car at some point to check/clean everything...i am sure there is some build up on there by now, as my car is about to turn 90,000 on clock
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Originally Posted by OZC32AMG
Topgun,

I don't think you will get the Johnson 12V pump for $95.00 The best price I could get it for here in Australia was $560.00 AUD. I ended up replacing with the original as it was free under warranty. I got it even though warranty had expired. I had to fight for that one!

Joe
You can get the Johnson pump for $226 from this site: http://www.mesamarine.com/JOHNSON.htm

Search for 10-24190-1. This is a very high flow pump. I can't find the thread anymore but it flows several times more than the stock pump.
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Originally Posted by 1FASTC32
meaning that my intercooler was not working at all...it is much smoother, has tons more power, will actually pull past 80mph without cutting the supercharger, etc...

does that answer your question?

is the intecooler pump a common problem ?

how do I check on my 03 cl55 ... that everything is up to par ... car has 18K on the clock .. my local service dept sux ....
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Originally Posted by raycanales
is the intecooler pump a common problem ?

how do I check on my 03 cl55 ... that everything is up to par ... car has 18K on the clock .. my local service dept sux ....
yes, very common problem, if your car exhibits any of the syptoms, then you have a problem...but, you can also go listen at your right front headlight right after you shut off the car, the pump will stay on for about 5-10 seconds...it is easier to hear with the hood up...
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Originally Posted by 1FASTC32
ok, i will do some digging around and see if i can find it....i am going to end up pulling the supercharger/intecooler unit off the car at some point to check/clean everything...i am sure there is some build up on there by now, as my car is about to turn 90,000 on clock

one more thing..

you might try looking to install the spacer kit..

http://www.evosport.com/product/prod...VO.PER.32K.PS1
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Originally Posted by TopGun32
one more thing..

you might try looking to install the spacer kit..

http://www.evosport.com/product/prod...VO.PER.32K.PS1
yeah, that is a given, i will end up doing it all at the same time...sometime this summer...
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On a related note, don't forget that there is another fairly well-tested and inexpensive alternative to keep temps down. Aquamist water injection. As I understand, a properly installed system poses no risk to the car (in fact, quite the opposite). Has anyone here tried it since Ronnie (remember Ronnie's 2002 C32 - I wonder who bought it...)?

Oh - a couple of links:

Ronnie's car for sale a year ago:
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/369231

The Aquamist site:
http://www.aquamist.co.uk/


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